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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:44 pm 
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One of the more impressive things about his performance was: most of it came from in the pocket and most on-time throws with excellent accuracy. IOW, the stuff he's supposedly not as good at as the elite guys.

Accuracy last night was fire.


I never saw the OL look better, BTW.

There was one play I saw in particular that I actually thought was stopped because of a penalty or something. Because Ben dropped back and then just stood there until he delivered his pass for a completion.

And by standing there, I meant literally just standing there...like he was standing around during a play stoppage.

It was amazing.
The amount of time was astounding.

But that was all on AB. People like to attribute it to a dart from BR, but AB was probably his fourth read, and the way the game was going, he threw it up at the hash mark and let AB get under it. The defender was too busy chasing him around all night to look up. He figured the play was over already.

Where's B2B with the stopwatch. It must have been like 5-6 seconds.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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LOL Perch!

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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COR-TEN wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
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One of the more impressive things about his performance was: most of it came from in the pocket and most on-time throws with excellent accuracy. IOW, the stuff he's supposedly not as good at as the elite guys.

Accuracy last night was fire.


I never saw the OL look better, BTW.

There was one play I saw in particular that I actually thought was stopped because of a penalty or something. Because Ben dropped back and then just stood there until he delivered his pass for a completion.

And by standing there, I meant literally just standing there...like he was standing around during a play stoppage.

It was amazing.
The amount of time was astounding.

But that was all on AB. People like to attribute it to a dart from BR, but AB was probably his fourth read, and the way the game was going, he threw it up at the hash mark and let AB get under it. The defender was too busy chasing him around all night to look up. He figured the play was over already.

Where's B2B with the stopwatch. It must have been like 5-6 seconds.


The bolded is not true. This thread is about Ben and his game last night which takes nothing away from AB's greatness.

If you are talking about the throw deep middle. Ben threw a frozen rope.

The TD down the sidelines... AB had zero separation which is why he was hand fighting with the defender. AB won the handfight. The football could not have been placed any better if Ben had walked up to AB and handed it off to him.

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I looked at the 33 yd completion deep middle to AB a few more times.

It's the play at the 12:00 minute mark in the 2nd quarter.

AB might have had to stop and wait for it. It might not have been a perfectly placed throw but it was a low trajectory throw (frozen rope as opposed to a rainbow for the wr to run under). I'll look at it again when the all 22 comes out.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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Didn't mean to rain on BR's parade. And "dart" or "frozen rope" is subject to interpretation.

I'll agree to disagree on the throw down the middle. The throw to AB down the sidelines was perfect, and a classic dropped on a dime.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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COR-TEN wrote:
Didn't mean to rain on BR's parade. And "dart" or "frozen rope" is subject to interpretation.

I'll agree to disagree on the throw down the middle. The throw to AB down the sidelines was perfect, and a classic dropped on a dime.


I looked at that play a few more times.

It's the play at the 12:00 minute mark in the 2nd quarter.

AB might have had to stop and wait for it. It might not have been a perfectly placed throw but it was a low trajectory throw, 32 yds from the LOS (frozen rope as opposed to a rainbow for the wr to run under). I'll look at it again when the all 22 comes out.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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Havoc wrote:
The TD down the sidelines... AB had zero separation which is why he was hand fighting with the defender. AB won the handfight. The football could not have been placed any better if Ben had walked up to AB and handed it off to him.


I thought it was a little underthrown, maybe 1.5 yards from hitting him perfectly in stride. Much better deep ball than we've seen from Ben almost all year. But it's possible Ben took a little off that to let AB adjust and maybe even go up for a jump ball, since there was no separation.

I'm reserving judgement on the elbow/deep ball until I see more. Didn't need it this game, but Ben has attempted very few deep balls the last several weeks. That TD throw to JuJu was also pretty good, and I think that was maybe 25 yards in the air?

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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Kodiak wrote:
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The TD down the sidelines... AB had zero separation which is why he was hand fighting with the defender. AB won the handfight. The football could not have been placed any better if Ben had walked up to AB and handed it off to him.


I thought it was a little underthrown, maybe 1.5 yards from hitting him perfectly in stride. Much better deep ball than we've seen from Ben almost all year. But it's possible Ben took a little off that to let AB adjust and maybe even go up for a jump ball, since there was no separation.

I'm reserving judgement on the elbow/deep ball until I see more. Didn't need it this game, but Ben has attempted very few deep balls the last several weeks. That TD throw to JuJu was also pretty good, and I think that was maybe 25 yards in the air?


The TD to JuJu traveled about 35 yds in the air (about 27 yds downfield from the LOS)

The 33 yd completion to AB traveled about 39 yds in the air (32 yds from the LOS)

The 53 yd TD traveled 41 yds in the air (33 yds from the LOS)


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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Havoc wrote:
The TD to JuJu traveled about 35 yds in the air (about 27 yds downfield from the LOS)

The 33 yd completion to AB traveled about 39 yds in the air (32 yds from the LOS)

The 53 yd TD traveled 41 yds in the air (33 yds from the LOS)


Good stuff. But the "deep ball" stat is based off LOS, so you have 2 30+ this game and no 40+ attempt.

Through 9 games, Ben is 3/17 on 30+ in the air, and 0/3 on 40+...did not expect those attempts to be that high, but it feels like it's not been as high in recent weeks. That is 2.22 attempts per game.

Last year in 15 games, Ben was 7/28 pn 30+, and 3/12 on 40+.....2.67attempts per game.
In 2016, he was 7/23 and 3/14 in 14 games....also @ 2.63 attempts per game.
in 2015, he was in 8/21 and 5/12 in 12 games ....2.75 attempts per game

So about 0.5 fewer attempts per game, but again feels less the last month. Could end the year in that normal 2.7 range if Washington emerges as a legit deep threat.

Also read an article the other day that defenses are playing more umbrella coverage and trying to take away splash plays. Long runs and long completions are both down significantly, so it would make sense Ben is throwing deep a few less times because coverage dictates it.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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Ben now has 8 games with a passer rating over 150. The most all-time.


he actually held the record with 8 prior to last night

extended his own record to 9

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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If ben gets accurate with the deep ball watch out


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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remember back all the years when ben was always called game manager and the number of passes in a game dictated steelers wins and losses? :lol: :lol: the steelers can't win with ben throwing the ball all over field was the story by the talking heads! funny shit then and never heard now.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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whats so great for ben and steelers now . we have so many guys who can catch and run. McDonald and outlaw, even grumble. nix-conner; juju brown. noway to over everyone. throw in well designed plays and time from o-line the defense is fucked.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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bam morris wrote:
remember back all the years when ben was always called game manager and the number of passes in a game dictated steelers wins and losses? :lol: :lol: the steelers can't win with ben throwing the ball all over field was the story by the talking heads! funny shit then and never heard now.


Very funny....I think the number was 30. As long as Ben didn't throw 30 passes the Steelers had a chance to win :lol:

BTW, Ben scrambling more just adds yet another element to this offense. Of course, watching him run now makes your heart speed up in a hurry.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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There’s a pattern for the last 4 years that the Steelers and Ben start the regular season slowly and get stronger as the season progresses. Every year after 4-5 games fans on this very website say Ben has lost it. Ben is old. But by weeks 10 to 16 wondering if he is an all-pro.

It’s also notable that at age 36, Ben is taking his conditioning and diet more seriously than ever before. And it shows. Overall Ben has played the last 4 years including this season, on par or arguably better than any 4 year stretch during his career. Ben is far from done.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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COR-TEN wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
One of the more impressive things about his performance was: most of it came from in the pocket and most on-time throws with excellent accuracy. IOW, the stuff he's supposedly not as good at as the elite guys.

Accuracy last night was fire.


I never saw the OL look better, BTW.

There was one play I saw in particular that I actually thought was stopped because of a penalty or something. Because Ben dropped back and then just stood there until he delivered his pass for a completion.

And by standing there, I meant literally just standing there...like he was standing around during a play stoppage.

It was amazing.
The amount of time was astounding.

But that was all on AB. People like to attribute it to a dart from BR, but AB was probably his fourth read, and the way the game was going, he threw it up at the hash mark and let AB get under it. The defender was too busy chasing him around all night to look up. He figured the play was over already.

Where's B2B with the stopwatch. It must have been like 5-6 seconds.


I posted this in another thread but I'll add it here. On the 33 yd completion to AB deep middle...

We had 5 blocking 2 on that play. Ben released the football about 3.7 seconds from the snap.

Panthers had 6 at LOS but only 2 rushed the passer, the rest peeled off and dropped into coverage.

Ben looked right, looked middle, looked left, looked middle again and made the throw.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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Stallworth16 wrote:
There’s a pattern for the last 4 years that the Steelers and Ben start the regular season slowly and get stronger as the season progresses. Every year after 4-5 games fans on this very website say Ben has lost it. Ben is old. But by weeks 10 to 16 wondering if he is an all-pro.

It’s also notable that at age 36, Ben is taking his conditioning and diet more seriously than ever before. And it shows. Overall Ben has played the last 4 years including this season, on par or arguably better than any 4 year stretch during his career. Ben is far from done.


Ben's training camp takes place in September.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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Jeemie wrote:
The other thing that was back?

The “fuck yinz all...this is MY game” look in his eye.

The “zone” that Mean Joe Greene talked about.

Ben was in it last night.

He didn’t even have his usual boneheaded play...everything he did was correct.

Well...there was one risky throw I remember, but even that he threw so well I wasn’t worried about it.


Sorry to change the subject in light of the best performance I have ever seen out of Ben, but that Mean Joe Greene clip about "The Zone" gives me the shivers every single time I hear it.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Roethlisberger
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Stallworth16 wrote:
There’s a pattern for the last 4 years that the Steelers and Ben start the regular season slowly and get stronger as the season progresses. Every year after 4-5 games fans on this very website say Ben has lost it. Ben is old. But by weeks 10 to 16 wondering if he is an all-pro.

It’s also notable that at age 36, Ben is taking his conditioning and diet more seriously than ever before. And it shows. Overall Ben has played the last 4 years including this season, on par or arguably better than any 4 year stretch during his career. Ben is far from done.



you know if true id like to thank Brady! his play at elderly age and wish to play longer may have inspired ben to do same and take care of his health more now. he does look more nimble and healthy.


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