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 Post subject: The Safety Platoon
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 12:39 pm 
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This article is the first MSM article I have read on the shift to safeties aside from Scunges post in ILB thread. His Camp B take seems to be spot on, and I suspect the flood gates will start opening on the talk and stories of the new safety platoon being created on D and is this a new Steelers defensive philosophy. It seems like a pretty big change in direction if it pans out as describe by Scunge in various posts or as in the linked to article from the Tribune.

http://triblive.com/sports/columnists/timbenz/13647569-74/tim-benz-steelers-have-revamped-views-of-defense-before

I am buying that it is a big change and I think it will be a success. I thought they needed a major shakeup on D and coaching changes seemed to be lacking in my opinion. This change in philosophy is a sizable gamble and am anxious to see how it works. Can a safety platoon stop runs in throwing situations? Can they shut down the nemesis TE on dime packages? How often will this safety heavy defense be deployed and will they be successful in obvious run scenarios when subbing has been denied?


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Nemesis rhyme with Blutarsky....well sort of?

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BarryFoster wrote:
Nemesis rhyme with Blutarsky....well sort of?


Are you trying to say there is 0.0 chance of a Safety defending Gronk?


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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
Nemesis rhyme with Blutarsky....well sort of?


Are you trying to say there is 0.0 chance of a Safety defending Gronk?

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Jobus Rum wrote:
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
Nemesis rhyme with Blutarsky....well sort of?


Are you trying to say there is 0.0 chance of a Safety defending Gronk?

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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
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Nemesis rhyme with Blutarsky....well sort of?


Are you trying to say there is 0.0 chance of a Safety defending Gronk?

I think the Steelers have probably two guys on their current roster that MIGHT be physically able to cover Gronkowski decently.

1. Brian Allen
2. Matthew Thomas

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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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Of course, B2B, that might be two options more than most teams have when facing Gronk.

All I know is that I love the direction of the defense, the trend of adding players that are at least physically, athletically more imposing.

In the past where Brian Allen is on the depth chart, normally that would be occupied by an Anthony Madison or a Chidi Iwouma. Players that were strictly special teamers with no upside whatsoever in terms of actually playing defense.

At the very least this season, our special teams are going to be dangerous. Danny Smith has an abundance of faster, more athletic players for special teams. This used to be a great recipe in the past for us, we would draft raw defensive players with talent and then let them dominate on special teams until they were ready to become starters on defense. You look at how Kiesel did it. But for some reason we kind of got away from that and started to settle for average athletes at the bottom of the roster that were never going to be anything more than a special teamer.

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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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Scunge wrote:
Of course, B2B, that might be two options more than most teams have when facing Gronk.

Of course, if we don't deploy them, they don't matter.

here's to another season with Matakevich and LJ Fort being the ILB backups and Sean Davis trying to cover Gronk.

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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Scunge wrote:
Of course, B2B, that might be two options more than most teams have when facing Gronk.

Of course, if we don't deploy them, they don't matter.

here's to another season with Matakevich and LJ Fort being the ILB backups and Sean Davis trying to cover Gronk.


Let's not forget Sean Spence, unless you've got him penciled to start.


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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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Hopefully, things will change.

Carnell Lake and John Mitchell have been phased out so I am hopeful that we will not see the status quo continue.

Bradley and Dunbar were huge additions this offseason.

Between Lake and Mitchell they had some 38 years of experience in Dick LeBeau's 3-4 defense. Lake had 7 years as a player and 7 years as a secondary coach, and Mitchell has been our defensive line coach since 1994. Now, yes, I get that LeBeau was not the DC for the entire time but they were using his defense and principles that he created in Cincinnati.

How were things going to change on defense when you have assistants and former players so entrenched, so indoctrinated in the LeBeau system?

Tomlin/Butler and Colbert knew that the only way to forge a way forward is by bringing in new coaches that are unsullied and have different approaches, techniques, views of defense.

Quite frankly, I think they need to give the heave ho to our linebacker coaches as well. Porter and Olasavsky are again, former players, so firmly wrapped up in the LeBeau system that it may be doing more harm than good. Having one might be okay, but to have both like that? Would love to see them change it up and hire a new LBer coach next offseason.

Anyway, fingers crossed, I am hoping that the new coaches inspire and motivate Butler/Tomlin to continue to think outside of the box and move away from our old 3-4.

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I'd agree pretty wholeheartedly on Porter. Other than being a former player of Butler's, I really don't see what he's brought to the table, other than a group (with the exception of Shazier and, yeah, I guess you could include Vince Williams) that has severely underachieved based on investment. Olsavsky is a little more recent, but why not just go with a clean slate.


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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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Pretty decent breakdown on Allen. What I see in these few videos is a very slow read react response. I think that can be coached up. Comments?

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2 ... draft-news


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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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He is worst in coverage than Mike Michell. He is also much less of an athlete than Mike Michell. How much do you think that can be coached up? This is the only draft choice i hated from the moment it was announced. he is a LB or nothing in the NFL.

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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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I wanted no part of Marcus Allen in round 2. Don't like the fact that he had only 1 INT in what?, some 52 games? But to take a chance on him in round 5? That is fine and a worthwhile gamble. Lets face it, the Steelers really don't do much in round 5. Go back 45 years, what kind of impact has that 5th round produced?

Mike Webster, 5th round in 74
Craig Wolfley, 5th round in 80
Hardy Nickerson, 5th round in 87
Barry Foster, 5th round in 90
Clark Haggans, 5th round 00
Willie Gay, 5th round in 07
Jesse James, 5th round in 15

So, we get a starter in the 5th round once every 7 years or so? That is what you are looking at in round 5, the odds are stacked against you. The vast majority of the time our 5th round picks don't even make the roster as rookies.

I am hoping that Brian Allen, Marcus Allen and Jaylin Samuels can buck the trend and become meaningful contributors.

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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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Scunge wrote:
Hopefully, things will change.

Carnell Lake and John Mitchell have been phased out so I am hopeful that we will not see the status quo continue.

Bradley and Dunbar were huge additions this offseason.

Between Lake and Mitchell they had some 38 years of experience in Dick LeBeau's 3-4 defense. Lake had 7 years as a player and 7 years as a secondary coach, and Mitchell has been our defensive line coach since 1994. Now, yes, I get that LeBeau was not the DC for the entire time but they were using his defense and principles that he created in Cincinnati.

How were things going to change on defense when you have assistants and former players so entrenched, so indoctrinated in the LeBeau system?

Tomlin/Butler and Colbert knew that the only way to forge a way forward is by bringing in new coaches that are unsullied and have different approaches, techniques, views of defense.

Quite frankly, I think they need to give the heave ho to our linebacker coaches as well. Porter and Olasavsky are again, former players, so firmly wrapped up in the LeBeau system that it may be doing more harm than good. Having one might be okay, but to have both like that? Would love to see them change it up and hire a new LBer coach next offseason.

Anyway, fingers crossed, I am hoping that the new coaches inspire and motivate Butler/Tomlin to continue to think outside of the box and move away from our old 3-4.


Nailed it!

Porter and Olsavsky will have no choice but to be on board. You can’t have everyone trying to think out of the box. One or two will be fine. There looks to be a sign off obviously by Butler and Tomlin on this philosophy or else the draft wouldn’t look as such, so the LB coaches should come along nicely. All they have to do do is teach fundamentals and let someone else dictate the philosophy of the defense if they can’t get on board. They both have to be team players to be where they are, so a I am not worried. We still need someone to pull Burfict’s strings for two victories every year.

I was thinking too; would it not make sense to make a safety the sole play caller on the D instead of the Mack? They can see the field better, are in a better position to make adjustments and have more time to react? It would perhaps cement the philosophy change if the safety got the green dot helmet. Not sure if it is doable logistically with distance and position and d-line stunts.


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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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Think we see Allen moved to ilb and asked to gain some weight.
I agree about Porter think we missed the boat IMO with KG


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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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Jobus Rum wrote:
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
Nemesis rhyme with Blutarsky....well sort of?


Are you trying to say there is 0.0 chance of a Safety defending Gronk?

Gillooly...


For the passer or catcher?


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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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It appears the Pittsburgh Steelers have made a couple minor changes to its assistant coaching staff. According to the team website, the team has made the following moves.

1. Officially changed Shaun Sarrett’s title from Offensive Assistant to Assistant Offensive Line Coach.

2. Hired Matt Symmes as a Coaching Assistant.

3. Promoted Denzel Martin to Coaching Assistant (while still keeping his Scouting Intern Label).

4. Former Scouting Internet/Coaching Assistant Steve Meyer doesn’t appear to be with the team anymore.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/05/st ... ing-staff/


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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Scunge wrote:
Of course, B2B, that might be two options more than most teams have when facing Gronk.

Of course, if we don't deploy them, they don't matter.

here's to another season with Matakevich and LJ Fort being the ILB backups and Sean Davis trying to cover Gronk.


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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Scunge wrote:
Of course, B2B, that might be two options more than most teams have when facing Gronk.

Of course, if we don't deploy them, they don't matter.

here's to another season with Matakevich and LJ Fort being the ILB backups and Sean Davis trying to cover Gronk.


Because Tomlin


I think Gronk is going to start to slow down. His injuries are adding up and I dont think his heart is in this anymore. He wants to be able to enjoy his millions and live like Dan Bilzerian IMO.

That being said, he is still the most dominant athlete on any field he steps on. People talking about having a guy to cover him is like talking about having a guy to cover Antonio Brown. It ain’t happening! It takes a village.

We acquired a village. 4-5 guys (depending on this Matthew Thomas) that are huge upgrades from their predecessors: Burnett over Mitchell, Edmunds over Gay, Allen/Berhl over Golden, Bstic over Spence, hopefully Thomas over Fort, hell Allen over Dangerfield/Fort whomever.

All we are doing is catching onto what that patriots have been doing for a few years. They have been a base three safety look since their resurgence in 2014.

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Well if the Eagles are for real; I think they are one and done; they have a pretty insane TE Corp now too, so if they make it back and we manage the same it would be nice to know that Gronk, Ertz and Goedert could be contained.


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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Scunge wrote:
Of course, B2B, that might be two options more than most teams have when facing Gronk.

Of course, if we don't deploy them, they don't matter.

here's to another season with Matakevich and LJ Fort being the ILB backups and Sean Davis trying to cover Gronk.

Hold on a tick...

Disparaging words about Steelers' coaching and personnel decisions from B2B?!
:o

Who'da thunk :?: :!:

Hey B2B: Bonus points if you can tell us who's been ultimately responsible FOR YEARS for such
Tom(lin) Foolery...

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 Post subject: Re: The Safety Platoon
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I've watched some Marcus Allen highlights on Youtube - if those were the highlights - we need a new member in the platoon. He does not impress me.

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