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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 5 game comments
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 11:17 am 
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Murray had a rough season and after a good start to the playoffs he has found himself in a funk. And of course the Caps have found his weakness and they are doing a good job of exploiting it. When a goaltender is having some tough goes of it you absolutely can't commit the kind of defensive gaffes that Letang is committing. They need to tighten up and help Murray, not expose him to good scoring chances and odd man rushes. The Pens keep pulling the Caps off the mat. That is a team with a psyche problem that was ready to cave in. It hasn't been some great push by the Caps that have turned things around for them. It has been huge mistakes by the Pens. I think the Pens get it done tomorrow night. Game 7, who knows. And if they survive the Caps I don't have a lot of confidence going forward. But it has been great ride regardless and it ain't over yet. These guys are repeat champs. They have tons of mettle. I'll never count them out.

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 12:19 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
This iteration of the Penguins simply makes too many mistakes, and Murray is still not playing like the Murray of old, to make me feel the same magic of the last two years.

And I still feel, like I did at the beginning of the season, that the losses of a lot of the secondary talent...Kunitz, Daley, Bonino, Cullen, etc...were a lot to overcome, and we didn't do that.

That said...I'm in this until the final horn sounds in an elimination game and the Penguins are trailing.

I agree. Daley was a great playoffs D- Man. His loss has hurt our depth.

Game 6 will be incredible drama. The Caps are going to be desperate because if they lose and it goes to 7, we have the advantage and the history! Can’t wait!


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Murray had a rough season and after a good start to the playoffs he has found himself in a funk. And of course the Caps have found his weakness and they are doing a good job of exploiting it. When a goaltender is having some tough goes of it you absolutely can't commit the kind of defensive gaffes that Letang is committing. They need to tighten up and help Murray, not expose him to good scoring chances and odd man rushes. The Pens keep pulling the Caps off the mat. That is a team with a psyche problem that was ready to cave in. It hasn't been some great push by the Caps that have turned things around for them. It has been huge mistakes by the Pens. I think the Pens get it done tomorrow night. Game 7, who knows. And if they survive the Caps I don't have a lot of confidence going forward. But it has been great ride regardless and it ain't over yet. These guys are repeat champs. They have tons of mettle. I'll never count them out.

Great points but you have to give credit to Holtby- he saved their despicable asses last night.


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Murray had a rough season and after a good start to the playoffs he has found himself in a funk. And of course the Caps have found his weakness and they are doing a good job of exploiting it. When a goaltender is having some tough goes of it you absolutely can't commit the kind of defensive gaffes that Letang is committing. They need to tighten up and help Murray, not expose him to good scoring chances and odd man rushes. The Pens keep pulling the Caps off the mat. That is a team with a psyche problem that was ready to cave in. It hasn't been some great push by the Caps that have turned things around for them. It has been huge mistakes by the Pens. I think the Pens get it done tomorrow night. Game 7, who knows. And if they survive the Caps I don't have a lot of confidence going forward. But it has been great ride regardless and it ain't over yet. These guys are repeat champs. They have tons of mettle. I'll never count them out.

Great points but you have to give credit to Holtby- he saved their despicable asses last night.

Holtby has been very good. He has been the MVP of the series thus far.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 5 game comments
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ill say this on murray..he looks like flower in his bad playoff series when everyone blamed him for the quick eliminations... wont happen but I really believe if desmith started game 6-7 he shuts em down and pens win series..
that said ill gladly eat crow if murray does same.


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bam morris wrote:
ill say this on murray..he looks like flower in his bad playoff series when everyone blamed him for the quick eliminations... wont happen but I really believe if desmith started game 6-7 he shuts em down and pens win series..
that said ill gladly eat crow if murray does same.
What if desmith starts and loses game 6? The way murray is playing I'm not sure there'd be a shitstorm following that loss.

Either way, I wouldn't want to be the guy to make that call.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 5 game comments
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COR-TEN wrote:
bam morris wrote:
ill say this on murray..he looks like flower in his bad playoff series when everyone blamed him for the quick eliminations... wont happen but I really believe if desmith started game 6-7 he shuts em down and pens win series..
that said ill gladly eat crow if murray does same.
What if desmith starts and loses game 6? The way murray is playing I'm not sure there'd be a shitstorm following that loss.

Either way, I wouldn't want to be the guy to make that call.


Desmith started showing some warts the more he played.

I am by no means a Murray fanboy, but suggesting we sub a two time Stanley cup winner, even with his faults, with a guy who has 10 career starts is very short sighted.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 5 game comments
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
bam morris wrote:
ill say this on murray..he looks like flower in his bad playoff series when everyone blamed him for the quick eliminations... wont happen but I really believe if desmith started game 6-7 he shuts em down and pens win series..
that said ill gladly eat crow if murray does same.
What if desmith starts and loses game 6? The way murray is playing I'm not sure there'd be a shitstorm following that loss.

Either way, I wouldn't want to be the guy to make that call.


Desmith started showing some warts the more he played.

I am by no means a Murray fanboy, but suggesting we sub a two time Stanley cup winner, even with his faults, with a guy who has 10 career starts is very short sighted.
Murray started a handful of games his rookie season, closed out the season with 9 starts, and pushed aside a one time stanley cup winner in flower. I'm not suggesting they start Desmith, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 5 game comments
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oh I'm not suggesting smith start..as said its tough call..it sucks when he gives up easy goals and their guy doesn't!
..bound to affect the psyche of team..i hope murray rallies. he always has..


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 5 game comments
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bam morris wrote:
oh I'm not suggesting smith start..as said its tough call..it sucks when he gives up easy goals and their guy doesn't!
..bound to affect the psyche of team..i hope murray rallies. he always has..



I don't think it is a tough call at all, though. Murray hasn't played bad. Just not quite up to where we'd all like to see him play.

It'd be one thing if Murray was getting blown out of the building, but he's just not. And I think it's extremely unrealistic to expect Desmith to come into an elimination game in the playoffs and better than Murray has been.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 5 game comments
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:37 am 
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Holtby has been stellar...that's why it hurt badly the times we did get a wide-open net and missed- Maata's one right at the end being the most egregious. He had half the net to work with and still pushed his shot wide left.

There was that article that showed the Penguins' had have almost historically bad "puck luck", as far as playoff teams go, vis a vis shooting percentage and save percentage this season.

So looks like that might be continuing against Washington.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 5 game comments
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
bam morris wrote:
oh I'm not suggesting smith start..as said its tough call..it sucks when he gives up easy goals and their guy doesn't!
..bound to affect the psyche of team..i hope murray rallies. he always has..



I don't think it is a tough call at all, though. Murray hasn't played bad. Just not quite up to where we'd all like to see him play.

It'd be one thing if Murray was getting blown out of the building, but he's just not. And I think it's extremely unrealistic to expect Desmith to come into an elimination game in the playoffs and better than Murray has been.

Agree-

I believe there is only a 2 goal difference between both goalies. It’s just Murray giving up the softies and Holtby having to get beat to give up a goal.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 5 game comments
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Suwanee88 wrote:
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bam morris wrote:
oh I'm not suggesting smith start..as said its tough call..it sucks when he gives up easy goals and their guy doesn't!
..bound to affect the psyche of team..i hope murray rallies. he always has..



I don't think it is a tough call at all, though. Murray hasn't played bad. Just not quite up to where we'd all like to see him play.

It'd be one thing if Murray was getting blown out of the building, but he's just not. And I think it's extremely unrealistic to expect Desmith to come into an elimination game in the playoffs and better than Murray has been.

Agree-

I believe there is only a 2 goal difference between both goalies. It's just Murray giving up the softies and Holtby having to get beat to give up a goal.


The Caps have had way more odd man rushes than the Penguins.

Murray is facing more danger shots which are likely exposing his warts more often than they’ve been exposed in the previous Cup runs.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 5 game comments
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Agree - Pens D has been getting burned for the most part except game 5. Murray has still given up a few head scratchers which has been the difference.

I wonder if the Pens go back to a game 5 strategy tonight. Going to be some excitement tonight!


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No way in the world does DeSmith start. Let's remember...after Game 4 in the Finals last year, was some talk about going back to Fleury. Murray then produced two consecutive shutouts to win the Cup....wouldn't be HUGELY surprised if he does something similar.


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Jeemie wrote:
Holtby has been stellar...that's why it hurt badly the times we did get a wide-open net and missed- Maata's one right at the end being the most egregious. He had half the net to work with and still pushed his shot wide left.

There was that article that showed the Penguins' had have almost historically bad "puck luck", as far as playoff teams go, vis a vis shooting percentage and save percentage this season.

So looks like that might be continuing against Washington.


Basically the script has been flipped. Read something earlier on Pensburgh stating this:

Last 2 years the Caps have had the more talented team but Pitt got better goaltending and converted on their limited opportunities

This year we can say the Pens are more talented but Holtby is making the stops he used to let in

It's pretty simple.


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swissvale72 wrote:
No way in the world does DeSmith start. Let's remember...after Game 4 in the Finals last year, was some talk about going back to Fleury. Murray then produced two consecutive shutouts to win the Cup....wouldn't be HUGELY surprised if he does something similar.

I would.
The defense that the Pens skated out there the past two Cup runs was far superior...or at least playing far superior than the current bunch. The Pens can win, but the people playing in front of Murray must get their shit together...pronto!

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Donnie Brasco wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Holtby has been stellar...that's why it hurt badly the times we did get a wide-open net and missed- Maata's one right at the end being the most egregious. He had half the net to work with and still pushed his shot wide left.

There was that article that showed the Penguins' had have almost historically bad "puck luck", as far as playoff teams go, vis a vis shooting percentage and save percentage this season.

So looks like that might be continuing against Washington.


Basically the script has been flipped. Read something earlier on Pensburgh stating this:

Last 2 years the Caps have had the more talented team but Pitt got better goaltending and converted on their limited opportunities

This year we can say the Pens are more talented but Holtby is making the stops he used to let in

It's pretty simple.


The last couple of games, we have surged ahead in the "fancy stats"...but those "fancy stats' aren't converting into goals scored...certainly not enough to cover for Letang's brain farts and Murray's softies.

Time is running out...that better change.

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Suwanee88 wrote:
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bam morris wrote:
oh I'm not suggesting smith start..as said its tough call..it sucks when he gives up easy goals and their guy doesn't!
..bound to affect the psyche of team..i hope murray rallies. he always has..



I don't think it is a tough call at all, though. Murray hasn't played bad. Just not quite up to where we'd all like to see him play.

It'd be one thing if Murray was getting blown out of the building, but he's just not. And I think it's extremely unrealistic to expect Desmith to come into an elimination game in the playoffs and better than Murray has been.

Agree-

I believe there is only a 2 goal difference between both goalies. It’s just Murray giving up the softies and Holtby having to get beat to give up a goal.

exactly right..if u took away murrays softies this series pens woulda won series already..holtby wont give us softies. maybe tonight we can fleece his ass and ruin him for game 7.. need good murray tonight..


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