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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 1 game comments
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:30 am 
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Sid-Jack from State Farm-Horny on the ice for all five goals in this game; Ovie line on for four of the five.

LOVE those Ovie fuck-ups (Sid's goal).


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 1 game comments
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:56 am 
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The Pens played good but they can play much better. It was shitty to be down that early; likely deflated them a bit which is why the chances didn’t come until the end of the 1st period. The 4th line took much of the game off but provided a great shift towards the end of the game, cycling the puck and using the points.

I’m telling you, OV, Kuznetsov and Oshie; after that, there is a huge void of talent on the Caps roster. Orlov is pretty good but really none of their other defense scare me that much.

Just can’t have any lapses like they did 17 seconds in. And the commentators called something I notice when watching them this year as well; they absolutely love to send the far winger streaking up the ice. When it’s OV, great. But the other guys; well just keep an eye on it.

Pens played discipline hockey. Even the late high stick penalty was totally fluky since Guentzel got spun around on Smith Pelly’s check attempt. Stay out of the box and the Ws will come much easier.


Agree about the Caps Orange. They aren’t as scary as last year at least on paper.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 1 game comments
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:12 am 
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2nd Pens goal is all you need to know about the difference between what it takes to win

Ovi doesn't move his feet at all in the defensive zone. He'll go balls to the wall if he's got the puck or someone is gonna get him the puck for a scoring opportunity. Other than that- he's just not interested in any defensive facet of the game.

That 2nd goal...even if he moves his feet to get closer to Sid, that puck probably isn't even passed/attempted over because the lane is gone. Ovi was and continues to not understand the effort it takes from a team defense standpoint to win in the playoffs. Hell Phil Kessell is a better playoff defender than Ovi- that is not exaggeration


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 1 game comments
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:24 am 
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2nd Pens goal is all you need to know about the difference between what it takes to win

Ovi doesn't move his feet at all in the defensive zone. He'll go balls to the wall if he's got the puck or someone is gonna get him the puck for a scoring opportunity. Other than that- he's just not interested in any defensive facet of the game.

That 2nd goal...even if he moves his feet to get closer to Sid, that puck probably isn't even passed/attempted over because the lane is gone. Ovi was and continues to not understand the effort it takes from a team defense standpoint to win in the playoffs. Hell Phil Kessell is a better playoff defender than Ovi- that is not exaggeration



But, but I saw Ovie block a shot in game 5 against Columbus.

That miss early in the first period where he had half the net to bury it and he missed(badly) summed it up last night.

I think he understands what needs to be done but it doesn't fit the kind of game he wants to play.
Great goal scorer, beastly at times but all around...nope.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:54 am 
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fractalsteel wrote:
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2nd Pens goal is all you need to know about the difference between what it takes to win

Ovi doesn't move his feet at all in the defensive zone. He'll go balls to the wall if he's got the puck or someone is gonna get him the puck for a scoring opportunity. Other than that- he's just not interested in any defensive facet of the game.

That 2nd goal...even if he moves his feet to get closer to Sid, that puck probably isn't even passed/attempted over because the lane is gone. Ovi was and continues to not understand the effort it takes from a team defense standpoint to win in the playoffs. Hell Phil Kessell is a better playoff defender than Ovi- that is not exaggeration



But, but I saw Ovie block a shot in game 5 against Columbus.

That miss early in the first period where he had half the net to bury it and he missed(badly) summed it up last night.

I think he understands what needs to be done but it doesn't fit the kind of game he wants to play.
Great goal scorer, beastly at times but all around...nope.

Wasn't it Ovie that flopped down in front of Schultz on the first goal as well? All that seemed to do was give Schultz a clear lane to fire it toward the net.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 1 game comments
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:04 am 
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Pabst wrote:
fractalsteel wrote:
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2nd Pens goal is all you need to know about the difference between what it takes to win

Ovi doesn't move his feet at all in the defensive zone. He'll go balls to the wall if he's got the puck or someone is gonna get him the puck for a scoring opportunity. Other than that- he's just not interested in any defensive facet of the game.

That 2nd goal...even if he moves his feet to get closer to Sid, that puck probably isn't even passed/attempted over because the lane is gone. Ovi was and continues to not understand the effort it takes from a team defense standpoint to win in the playoffs. Hell Phil Kessell is a better playoff defender than Ovi- that is not exaggeration



But, but I saw Ovie block a shot in game 5 against Columbus.

That miss early in the first period where he had half the net to bury it and he missed(badly) summed it up last night.

I think he understands what needs to be done but it doesn't fit the kind of game he wants to play.
Great goal scorer, beastly at times but all around...nope.

Wasn't it Ovie that flopped down in front of Schultz on the first goal as well? All that seemed to do was give Schultz a clear lane to fire it toward the net.


Yes it was...weak-assed attempt at a block.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 1 game comments
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:46 am 
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
2nd Pens goal is all you need to know about the difference between what it takes to win

Ovi doesn't move his feet at all in the defensive zone. He'll go balls to the wall if he's got the puck or someone is gonna get him the puck for a scoring opportunity. Other than that- he's just not interested in any defensive facet of the game.

That 2nd goal...even if he moves his feet to get closer to Sid, that puck probably isn't even passed/attempted over because the lane is gone. Ovi was and continues to not understand the effort it takes from a team defense standpoint to win in the playoffs. Hell Phil Kessell is a better playoff defender than Ovi- that is not exaggeration


So true. reminds me of that meme a few years ago where it literally looked like someone unplugged Ovie’s XBOX controller. That’s how bad he often is in his own zone.


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Orangesteel wrote:
So true. reminds me of that meme a few years ago where it literally looked like someone unplugged Ovie’s XBOX controller. That’s how bad he often is in his own zone.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 1 game comments
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Pabst wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
So true. reminds me of that meme a few years ago where it literally looked like someone unplugged Ovie’s XBOX controller. That’s how bad he often is in his own zone.

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Never gets old

And yes that was Ovi who flopped on the ice to try and block Schultz's shot.
Again, that's a detail Ovi misses: if that's Letang, yup get down on the ice because Letang has his head down and he'll probably either miss the net completely or blow it right into your shinpad. But Schultzy is the LAST guy you want to try that against because he's so good at holding the line at the point. It's a tall order for any F at the point vs JS, but he can't erase himself from the play and that's precisely what Ovi did.

Ovi is completely lost withouth the puck and it blows my mind he's got such a low defensive hockey IQ and that he doesn't understand he has to put some effort into stopping the goals as much as creating them. I just don't fuckin get it....


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 1 game comments
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Pabst wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
So true. reminds me of that meme a few years ago where it literally looked like someone unplugged Ovie’s XBOX controller. That’s how bad he often is in his own zone.

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Yeah, about that...
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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 1 game comments
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Yes but Sid has grown into a very good two-way player...Ovi has not.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 1 game comments
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Yes but Sid has grown into a very good two-way player...Ovi has not.


Crosby came out of the fucking womb ready to play that style of game. Ovie is a sniper. I laugh as hard as you guys do when he tries to play defense. At least he tried to give up his body to block the shot, Schultz was just patient and rendered the effort useless.

You want to kill him for shanking the early 2-on-1 in the first, that's another story...that was most definitely an Ovech-choke at the worst possible time. And in retrospect ended up being the difference between OT and Yet Another Crushing Caps Home Playoff Loss(tm).

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 1 game comments
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DrMalba wrote:
Pabst wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
So true. reminds me of that meme a few years ago where it literally looked like someone unplugged Ovie’s XBOX controller. That’s how bad he often is in his own zone.

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Yeah, about that...
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Those are vastly different plays. Two guys playing tic-tac-toe at the goal mouth against one helpless defender vs a play where a single player was making an offensive zone rush against a defender who was in position to seal him off. The D man just got schooled. I'm not saying Crosby wasn't negligent on this play, he might have been, but the OV play was a far more egregious example of an offensive player giving up his defensive duties.

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Jeemie wrote:
Yes but Sid has grown into a very good two-way player...Ovi has not.


And Crosby is a legit 200ft player(has been for a long time) and Ovie is not.


#8 can stick handle, pass, take a pass, speed by a defender or run them over and he rarely misses games. We all know about his shot and he is an all-time top 5 goal scorer in league history. What amazes me about his game is that most of his goals are the power variety. Ovie certainly has the skills to find open space, get to his point and make room for himself but he puts it in the net because of his overwhelming shot.
Top notch instincts as well.
His career has been one of the greatest the in the league the past decade.

With all those skills it is a wonder that he hasn't become a good defender. He is good enough to be a defensive nightmare but he is more like a whisper in that respect.

Makes you wonder...


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Those are vastly different plays. Two guys playing tic-tac-toe at the goal mouth against one helpless defender vs a play where a single player was making an offensive zone rush against a defender who was in position to seal him off. The D man just got schooled. I'm not saying Crosby wasn't negligent on this play, he might have been, but the OV play was a far more egregious example of an offensive player giving up his defensive duties.


That was Malkin engaged with the goal scorer and most likely that was on the PP. If so, then it is likely that Malkin was on one point and Crosby was down low or on the half wall meaning that Sid was in chase mode with a lot of ice to make up.
And who knows how long both had been on the ice before this took place.


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fractalsteel wrote:
That was Malkin engaged with the goal scorer and most likely that was on the PP. If so, then it is likely that Malkin was on one point and Crosby was down low or on the half wall meaning that Sid was in chase mode with a lot of ice to make up.
And who knows how long both had been on the ice before this took place.


Good eye Fractal, it was a SHG. Sid was the guy who turned the puck over to Marleau. Dunno if fatigue played into it, but he was -5 and having a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad night. Shit happens, even to the best.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 1 game comments
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DrMalba wrote:
Pabst wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
So true. reminds me of that meme a few years ago where it literally looked like someone unplugged Ovie’s XBOX controller. That’s how bad he often is in his own zone.

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Yeah, about that...
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only a CRAPS fan would make this false comparison

COMPLETE BULLSHIT COMPARISON


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Caps Game 1 game comments
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That’s apples to Ovechkins there, Malba, and you know it.


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