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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Rumored to Exercise Bud Dupree's 5th-Year Contr
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:18 pm 
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Steelers Exercised fifth-year option on LB Bud Dupree’s rookie contract. http://www.steelers.com/news/transactio ... ef4ea1a621


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Rumored to Exercise Bud Dupree's 5th-Year Contr
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:57 pm 
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he needs to be healthy because he can"t always use that as an excuse.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Rumored to Exercise Bud Dupree's 5th-Year Contr
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:23 pm 
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steelmann58 wrote:
he needs to be healthy because he can"t always use that as an excuse.

I think the fact that he hasn't made it through an entire season healthy is a bigger issue than anything he did or didn't do on the field.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Rumored to Exercise Bud Dupree's 5th-Year Contr
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:47 am 
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I really think the Steelers need to figure out what they want from their OLBs in this defense, whatever this defense happens to be or whatever it is becoming.

This is not Dick LeBeau's 3-4 defense any longer, and yet...

They still are drafting that certain prototypical 3-4 OLB. Yeah, they have flirted with the occasional Travis Feeney, but they still are bringing in the same old standard 3-4 OLB, 6'3-6'4" 250-255 players year after year.

Which would be great, if this were 2008, but it isn't. This is 2018, we are in a our base 3-4 defense some 25% of the time. Expecting Dupree or Watt to do what Harrison and Woodley did back then is delusional, not the same defense, and not the same league, rules have changed, offenses have changed.

If we are dropping our OLBs into coverage more than ever before does it make sense to continue drafting these prototypical 255 pound players any longer? Wouldn't an OLB who is 230, 235, be quicker, faster, do a better job of playing in coverage?

As I see it, Watt and Dupree should be 4-3 DEs, playing 65-70% of the time and being very successful if they were drafted by some other team and playing elsewhere. Only in Pittsburgh do we think it is a great idea to drop 255 pound OLBs into coverage as much as we do.

I just see an identity crisis on defense. They (the coaches) don't seem to have a real plan to finally break free of LeBeau's 3-4. At one point last season, before the NE game it was reported that we were still playing zone coverage 88% of the time, then they finally played man coverage in that NE game and it was like a revelation.

It can't just be a one off thing that you hold in reserve for NE, it has to be a staple of your defense. Hopefully, with Burnett and now with Haden being in year two and with a new defensive backs coach they will play much more man coverage.

But the OLB conundrum is a difficult thing for me to wrap my head around. If you are devaluing the position in your defense, if you are not expecting them to get double digit sacks, dropping them into coverage more, not expecting them to be the focal point of the pass rush, then why continue to spend first round picks on the position?

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Rumored to Exercise Bud Dupree's 5th-Year Contr
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:39 am 
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I see the same thing Scunge. I see a defense with LeBeau remnants combined with Tomlin influences. Obviously it has no place in the NFL the way it's set up now, well..., last season anyway. Teams figure out where to target the weaknesses for better success. Having one do-it-all star player [in the past Polamalu, until recently Shazier] in this era of the NFL won't work anymore. There needs to be more of a 'hive' mentality IMHO. Contributions from all over the defense has to be the goal. Tuitt and Heyward up front last season did a lot of the dirty work with the occasional VWill and Hilton contribution. The secondary outside of Haden [when he was playing] and Hilton was woefully below average. LB's were..., well, where were they? I agree for the most part the defense is in some sort of transition. What that is I haven't a clue.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Rumored to Exercise Bud Dupree's 5th-Year Contr
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
steelmann58 wrote:
he needs to be healthy because he can"t always use that as an excuse.

I think the fact that he hasn't made it through an entire season healthy is a bigger issue than anything he did or didn't do on the field.


What good things did he do on the field?

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Rumored to Exercise Bud Dupree's 5th-Year Contr
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:34 am 
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Steelafan77 wrote:
I see the same thing Scunge. I see a defense with LeBeau remnants combined with Tomlin influences. Obviously it has no place in the NFL the way it's set up now, well..., last season anyway. Teams figure out where to target the weaknesses for better success. Having one do-it-all star player [in the past Polamalu, until recently Shazier] in this era of the NFL won't work anymore. There needs to be more of a 'hive' mentality IMHO. Contributions from all over the defense has to be the goal. Tuitt and Heyward up front last season did a lot of the dirty work with the occasional VWill and Hilton contribution. The secondary outside of Haden [when he was playing] and Hilton was woefully below average. LB's were..., well, where were they? I agree for the most part the defense is in some sort of transition. What that is I haven't a clue.

You guys act like our defense was brutally bad last year. It was closer to being good than awful.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Rumored to Exercise Bud Dupree's 5th-Year Contr
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:58 am 
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I think the Steelers hamstring themselves with OLBs. It is really hard to get the pass rush and edge set and cover LB in one package. Now they are lucky to get one of those traits that is decent. I want to see them draft a pass rush specialist.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Rumored to Exercise Bud Dupree's 5th-Year Contr
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Steelafan77 wrote:
I see the same thing Scunge. I see a defense with LeBeau remnants combined with Tomlin influences. Obviously it has no place in the NFL the way it's set up now, well..., last season anyway. Teams figure out where to target the weaknesses for better success. Having one do-it-all star player [in the past Polamalu, until recently Shazier] in this era of the NFL won't work anymore. There needs to be more of a 'hive' mentality IMHO. Contributions from all over the defense has to be the goal. Tuitt and Heyward up front last season did a lot of the dirty work with the occasional VWill and Hilton contribution. The secondary outside of Haden [when he was playing] and Hilton was woefully below average. LB's were..., well, where were they? I agree for the most part the defense is in some sort of transition. What that is I haven't a clue.

You guys act like our defense was brutally bad last year. It was closer to being good than awful.


Finished 5th in the league overall, broke the franchise record for sacks, was the main reason this team was worth a damn for the first half of the season when our highly paid offense was floundering. They didn’t have the depth to sustain the Shazier injury, who was playing like an All Pro before he went down, but they were pretty damn good last season. Excited to see the growth of Watt, Burns, and to hopefully get back healthier versions of Tuitt, Hargrave, and Dupree. Not to mention Bostic and Burnett, who I like both, and the rooks we’re going to add.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Rumored to Exercise Bud Dupree's 5th-Year Contr
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:04 am 
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...but they were pretty damn good last season.


Against bad offenses and 2nd and 3rd string QB's.....otherwise, not so much. That defense last year should be the poster child for "paper tiger".

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