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 Post subject: Re: B2B’s 2018 Positional Rankings
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:25 pm 
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Of course, I could be totally wrong on Goedert...I know the experts are comparing him to Zach Ertz, but I see Maxx Williams.

I think he's straight up Travis Kelce style. Can block a little from inline, can get into the seam too fast for LBs to get back or for Safeties to come up. Catches everything.

I agree that Ian Thomas is intriguing. I think Ian Thomas and Deon Yelder are pretty close to the same kind of prospect. Both came on late, both are all-around TEs, and both can play in the NFL style game.

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 Post subject: Re: B2B’s 2018 Positional Rankings
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:35 pm 
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Of course, I could be totally wrong on Goedert...I know the experts are comparing him to Zach Ertz, but I see Maxx Williams.

I think he's straight up Travis Kelce style. Can block a little from inline, can get into the seam too fast for LBs to get back or for Safeties to come up. Catches everything.

But will he be able to carry that to the next level...where everyone is quicker, faster, stronger, smarter? LOC?
Hopefully, he’s not a dickhead...like Kelce. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: B2B’s 2018 Positional Rankings
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:41 pm 
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I’d kill to get Harold Landry in the 1st round, I’d even be okay with trading up for him.

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 Post subject: Re: B2B’s 2018 Positional Rankings
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:51 pm 
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Just curious, what makes you think Josh Allen is such an outlier than he would be pretty much the only QB ever with such a low completion percentage to be an above average starter (I'm assuming he's projected to be that, unless you think all these QBs suck). I want to like him, but it seems to me he'll never be accurate enough in today's NFL - even if he can improve by 5 percent, which again, is pretty much unheard of.

By the way, I go Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, Allen in that order. Rosen and Mayfield are close enough that it would be all about the interviews for me, were I a GM.

There are some other things that I would nitpick - Mike Hughes, Gesicki and Justin Reid would be swapped for Shaq Griffin, Rashaad Penny and Duke Ejiofor for me. But it's close enough.


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 Post subject: Re: B2B’s 2018 Positional Rankings
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:30 pm 
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Just curious, what makes you think Josh Allen is such an outlier than he would be pretty much the only QB ever with such a low completion percentage to be an above average starter (I'm assuming he's projected to be that, unless you think all these QBs suck).

First off, Josh Allen is one completion per game from having a 60% comp rate.

Secondly, look at Brett Favre's completion percentage in college. Think about where Bradshaw and Elway were coming out. Elway couldn't throw a screen pass or short touch pass until the last few years of his career, refused to dump the ball off. Bradshaw took three plus years to get it together. I look at what Allen did in the Senior Bowl and think... if he can do it there, he can probably do it in the NFL, provided he gets some good coaching and supporting cast.

Third, yes, I don't care much for this class of QBs. I do not think it's 1983 or 2004. I think they're hyped into the stratosphere. Darnold has a midpoint of the very similar Byron Leftwich. Allen has some upside but he's a project. Rosen is a mediocre-armed meltdown waiting to happen, unless he's gets drafted to a fair weather or dome team--going to need a lot of TLCand structure. I like Mayfield-- low ceiling, high floor. Jackson might work, if he finds a home that is really willing to design around him. Rudolph, White, and Woodside might be decent backups. Lauletta has no deep arm, but he can play. I like Alex McGough a lot and he might go to NE-- but he's a bit of a one-year wonder. Kyle Allen is pretty good but he had some great receivers/RB. Chase Sutton, Beinkert, and the kid from Princeton Chad Kanoff (say that 3 times fast) could all be good if they could change their propensity for mind boggling throws to the other team.

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 Post subject: Re: B2B’s 2018 Positional Rankings
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Josh Allen’s career completion percentage is 56.2. 56.3 last season. He hasn’t improved over the course of his college career.

You are banking on him having Favre-like arm talent. I’m not sure he’s quite at that level. Also, the game has changed to where completion percentage has a much higher correlation than in the past with NFL success. The Case Keenums versus the Christian Hackenburgs, if you will.

Like I said, I want to like him. Some of his tape wows. But it just seems so unlikely.


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 Post subject: Re: B2B’s 2018 Positional Rankings
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:50 am 
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Let me put it this way: although any of those top guys would be an improvement over last year, if Cleveland selects Rosen I’m not at all worried. He’ll fold in December. If they select Darnold, I’m a little more concerned because he’s a gamer but still not that worried. If they pick Baker, they’ll contend right away. If they pick Josh Allen, probably it’s not cause for concern… But if he does work out, they could be a real problem.

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 Post subject: Re: B2B’s 2018 Positional Rankings
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josh allen has some tools to boom, but i think hes more likely to bust.. i think his accuracy issues are what they are and it wont get better in the nfl. Darnold will be a star, i hope Cleveland passes on him, rocket arm, good pocket mobility, accurate and as you stated, serious gamer, in short smaller version of Ben, Favre is probably the perfect comp for him. Gesicki, will be productive right out of the shooot with his catching/leaping ability, i can teach him to block, i like Goedert and Hurst as well. Josh Norris says: LVE is alot closer to Edmonds in ability than most people realize and i agree with him, man i hope he falls to us, most likely a pipe dream, id be good with a tradeup for him.


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 Post subject: Re: B2B’s 2018 Positional Rankings
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My dream would be for Cleveland to pick Lamar Jackson, but even they aren't that stupid. Josh Allen's accuracy problem is real. Now, maybe he will fix that, but it is highly unlikely. People compare him to Ben. But Ben completed 69% of his passes his last year. :shock: QB accuracy is so crucial in today's NFL with those small windows.

I still can't believe teams would think about Lamar Jackson at any point before the end of the 3rd round. He's a career 57% completion guy and it shows on film. His mechanics are horrendous and he can't hit the broad side of a barn at times. Of course Tomlin and Colbert have spent a lot of time evaluating him. WTF.


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