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 Post subject: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:18 pm 
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Is the Nutt getting nervous and trying to appease the fans? Thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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Seems like he'd sure up some of the outfield, and I think the Pirates (surprise) might have saved a bit of money in this. Or, at least they were slightly in the red. Color me surprised. I really don't have anything bad to say about this trade.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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take that cubs and cards! u bitches.. :lol:
might be the missing cog for a championship.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:33 pm 
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Meh.

Not a bad trade, but it’s like getting Brian Giles.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:41 pm 
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so whats the latest with jung ho? whats holding him up from playing? u s government or korea? seems like over kill for a couple misdemeanor offenses.. dude can play and pay fines; don't allow him to drive; give him probation.. I'm confused by the harshness..


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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Jeemie wrote:
Meh.

Not a bad trade, but it’s like getting Brian Giles.



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The same Brian Giles that hit 35+ HR 100+ RBI on a yearly basis with the Pirates, finished top 20 in MVP voting every year, and is a top 100 player all time in a ton of offensive categories?

I could only wish it was Brian Giles.

From a plate discipline standpoint alone, they are complete polar opposite players.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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bam morris wrote:
so whats the latest with jung ho? whats holding him up from playing? u s government or korea? seems like over kill for a couple misdemeanor offenses.. dude can play and pay fines; don't allow him to drive; give him probation.. I'm confused by the harshness..


The U.S. is holding it up. They won't grant him a visa. There are rumors floating around that he lied or withheld information about his previous DUIs from his earlier visa applications back when he originally came to the US and that has him flagged as a permanent denial.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:28 pm 
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Meh.

Not a bad trade, but it’s like getting Brian Giles.



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The same Brian Giles that hit 35+ HR 100+ RBI on a yearly basis with the Pirates, finished top 20 in MVP voting every year, and is a top 100 player all time in a ton of offensive categories?

I could only wish it was Brian Giles.

From a plate discipline standpoint alone, they are complete polar opposite players.


I wasn’t making an absolute comparison.

How did the Pirates do when Giles was on the team?

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:22 am 
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Jeemie wrote:
Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Meh.

Not a bad trade, but it’s like getting Brian Giles.



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The same Brian Giles that hit 35+ HR 100+ RBI on a yearly basis with the Pirates, finished top 20 in MVP voting every year, and is a top 100 player all time in a ton of offensive categories?

I could only wish it was Brian Giles.

From a plate discipline standpoint alone, they are complete polar opposite players.


I wasn’t making an absolute comparison.

How did the Pirates do when Giles was on the team?


Reads like you were. You were.

Are we now going to make the argument that he wasn't a great player because the 24 other people on the team sucked? He's arguably a top-10 offensive player in Pirates history. I feel like you could have said that about every good player on all the bad Pirates teams. "it's like getting a [Jason Bay]"


If we want to argue the "feel" of the trade that happened 20 years ago, Dickerson was elected to an all star for the Rays last season and needed to be traded because of $$ reasons. Giles was a relative unknown 4th OF with some decent numbers caught in a log jam in the outfield for the Indians. You pretty much know you're getting a swing-happy .270/.320 25 HR 70 RBI guy with Dickerson. That doesn't touch the type of impact Giles had on the Pirates offense. He was their offense more or less.


I guess they were both traded for relievers? So, good for you?




Incoherent.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:35 am 
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SteelPro wrote:
bam morris wrote:
so whats the latest with jung ho? whats holding him up from playing? u s government or korea? seems like over kill for a couple misdemeanor offenses.. dude can play and pay fines; don't allow him to drive; give him probation.. I'm confused by the harshness..


The U.S. is holding it up. They won't grant him a visa. There are rumors floating around that he lied or withheld information about his previous DUIs from his earlier visa applications back when he originally came to the US and that has him flagged as a permanent denial.

that's nuts..i mean its not like hes a spy or terrorist..let the dude make a living.. seems it be a great propaganda story for usa and south korea vs the north if nothing else..think hes been over punished.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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Jeemie wrote:
Meh.

Not a bad trade, but it’s like getting Brian Giles.

The greatest deal in Pirates history if this guy turns into Brian Giles :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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bam morris wrote:
SteelPro wrote:
bam morris wrote:
so whats the latest with jung ho? whats holding him up from playing? u s government or korea? seems like over kill for a couple misdemeanor offenses.. dude can play and pay fines; don't allow him to drive; give him probation.. I'm confused by the harshness..


The U.S. is holding it up. They won't grant him a visa. There are rumors floating around that he lied or withheld information about his previous DUIs from his earlier visa applications back when he originally came to the US and that has him flagged as a permanent denial.

that's nuts..i mean its not like hes a spy or terrorist..let the dude make a living.. seems it be a great propaganda story for usa and south korea vs the north if nothing else..think hes been over punished.


Sorry, but I disagree. He just isn't getting special treatment. And why should he? Just because he is an athlete? He has multiple DUIs. One in which he fled the scene of an accident. He may have lied on previous visa applications. And lets not forget about the sexual assault allegations in Chicago. Is this the kind of guy we should be allowing in our country? I say hell no. And if it wasn't for him being a professional athlete there wouldn't be a chance in hell of him procuring a visa. He doesn't need to come here to make a living. The Korean League pays pretty well. Lots of American players go over there and make couple hundred grand per year instead of playing for peanuts in the Independent leagues in the US. I hope he never gets permitted in.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:56 am 
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As for the trade... no complaints from me. Nothing was really given up. Hudson was a waste. Dickerson probably makes up for most of what the lineup lost from losing McCutchen. But still well short of what it would take for me to want venture into PNC park this year. Not that it matters but the salaries were a complete wash. Pirates pitched in $1M to even it out.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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No...perfectly coherent.

I was responding to a poster who put out the hypothesis that Nutting might have been “feeling the heat” and so “had to do something to show he’s trying to compete”.

This falls far short of that...just like getting Giles did.

Good players...but the rest of the team still sucks.

Maybe this team sucks a little less than the Pirates of Giles’ day, but Dickerson didn’t put the Pirates on the path to contention.

Like Pro...this doesn’t get me wanting to watch them.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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Jeemie wrote:
No...perfectly coherent.

I was responding to a poster who put out the hypothesis that Nutting might have been “feeling the heat” and so “had to do something to show he’s trying to compete”.

This falls far short of that...just like getting Giles did.

Good players...but the rest of the team still sucks.

Maybe this team sucks a little less than the Pirates of Giles’ day, but Dickerson didn’t put the Pirates on the path to contention.

Like Pro...this doesn’t get me wanting to watch them.


Ownership wasn't "feeling the heat" when they traded for Giles. It wasn't even the same ownership group. Giles was an unknown 4th OFer when he was traded to the Pirates. You're also under the assumption that ownership in this scenario did something only to appease the fanbase instead of...I don't know...make the team better?


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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Speaking of Giles, it's been 19 years since the Pirates acquired him. 19 years!

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
No...perfectly coherent.

I was responding to a poster who put out the hypothesis that Nutting might have been “feeling the heat” and so “had to do something to show he’s trying to compete”.

This falls far short of that...just like getting Giles did.

Good players...but the rest of the team still sucks.

Maybe this team sucks a little less than the Pirates of Giles’ day, but Dickerson didn’t put the Pirates on the path to contention.

Like Pro...this doesn’t get me wanting to watch them.


Ownership wasn't "feeling the heat" when they traded for Giles. It wasn't even the same ownership group. Giles was an unknown 4th OFer when he was traded to the Pirates. You're also under the assumption that ownership in this scenario did something only to appease the fanbase instead of...I don't know...make the team better?


Reading comprehension problems now?

I assumed nothing.

I was answering a poster who asked a question...nothing more.

Who’s living is whose head again?

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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I see this as a token bone thrown to the fans.. not enough to keep this team out of last place..


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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bam morris wrote:
I see this as a token bone thrown to the fans.. not enough to keep this team out of last place..


100% The petitions and call for boycotting must have got Nutting on the horn to make a deal that will look like they are spending money to the average rube.

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Well, they couldn’t just sit back and do nothing, right? RIGHT??? :roll:

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Jobus Rum wrote:
Well, they couldn’t just sit back and do nothing, right? RIGHT??? :roll:

:lol:

ya..theres a fine line they walk on financial flexability and giving the narrative of winning at all cost..


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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Jobus Rum wrote:
Well, they couldn’t just sit back and do nothing, right? RIGHT??? :roll:


Sure they could have.

If people who were calling for a boycott of games, etc are mollified by this deal, well, then...they're pretty dumb.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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Jeemie wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
Well, they couldn’t just sit back and do nothing, right? RIGHT??? :roll:


Sure they could have.

If people who were calling for a boycott of games, etc are mollified by this deal, well, then...they're pretty dumb.[/quote

I am not mollified and am still done with Bob Nuttings Pirates
This is a mercy singing and wouldn't be surprised if MLB told nutitng to do something
I wont get fooled again ... 45 years of fandom down the crapper. Bob nutting can rot and I won't be back until he isn't gone.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates trade for Corey Dickerson
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I give JL58 all the credit in the world for coming up with this one, and we see it with this move:

1. The Pens do what it takes to win (seen by recent Brassard move)
2. The Steelers will win only by "The Steeler Way" (seen by bringing Sean Spence back)
3. The Pirates will win only if it benefits Nutting's Wallet (this move. It's all about pitching. What's the rotation look like? Yeah, I thought so)

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