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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:21 am 
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2/9/18 @ Dallas

Once again, the Penguins stars get mauled by the opposition and Reaves sits there and watches.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:30 pm 
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
2/9/18 @ Dallas

Once again, the Penguins stars get mauled by the opposition and Reaves sits there and watches.

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7:19 TOI

Back to bringing absolutely nothing!


Man - did Reaves fuck you or something? You have some serious hate for this cat.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:31 pm 
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Suwanee88 wrote:
Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
2/9/18 @ Dallas

Once again, the Penguins stars get mauled by the opposition and Reaves sits there and watches.

0 G
0 A
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7:19 TOI

Back to bringing absolutely nothing!


Man - did Reaves fuck you or something? You have some serious hate for this cat.


Between Hacksaw and Reaves, and Donnie and Kuhnackl, there seems to be a lot of penguins who have kicked the dogs of Steelerfury memebers.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:27 pm 
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Yeah but nothing compares to Ben Roethlisberger dissing you by not acknowledging you when you say hi...

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:03 pm 
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2/11/18 @ STL

Reaves
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Big-time "homecoming" for Ryan Reaves. You'd think he'd get an icetime bump in this situation, especially with his dad watching, but Reaves barely saw 5 mins. No surprise, especially after that absolutely atrocious goal against in which Letang went full retard and Reaves, who could have covered for him, whiffed terribly behind the net. He brought so much toughness on the bench though.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:55 pm 
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
Suwanee88 wrote:
Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
2/9/18 @ Dallas

Once again, the Penguins stars get mauled by the opposition and Reaves sits there and watches.

0 G
0 A
- 1
7:19 TOI

Back to bringing absolutely nothing!


Man - did Reaves fuck you or something? You have some serious hate for this cat.


Between Hacksaw and Reaves, and Donnie and Kuhnackl, there seems to be a lot of penguins who have kicked the dogs of Steelerfury memebers.


To be fair, I'm not posting game by game stat lines :D


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:13 am 
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Reaves has certainly not been very good this year. It is a very valid argument that he is a poor fit for this club. If you don't buy the notion that he is a deterrent for other teams taking liberties on the Penguins stars, then he really provides nothing (though being a deterrent is hard to quantify). Even if he is a deterrent there are good arguments to be made that an equally capable enforcer can be found that doesn't cost $1.2 M in salary. However, the notion that he is sitting just watching while he his teammates get pummeled every night could use a fact check. Reaves has been credited with 153 hits this season. Yeah, I'm aware that stat has some flaws and it might not be the most meaningful or accurate assessment of physical play. But it is the best we got, and FWIW Reaves has the the 12th most hits in the league. He is the Penguins team leader in hits by a pretty large margin. That is while playing less than 7 minutes per game on average. He is clearly trying to be a physical presence during his time on the ice. Whether that is a meaningful deterrent is anyone's guess.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:56 am 
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SteelPro wrote:
Reaves has certainly not been very good this year. It is a very valid argument that he is a poor fit for this club. If you don't buy the notion that he is a deterrent for other teams taking liberties on the Penguins stars, then he really provides nothing (though being a deterrent is hard to quantify). Even if he is a deterrent there are good arguments to be made that an equally capable enforcer can be found that doesn't cost $1.2 M in salary. However, the notion that he is sitting just watching while he his teammates get pummeled every night could use a fact check. Reaves has been credited with 153 hits this season. Yeah, I'm aware that stat has some flaws and it might not be the most meaningful or accurate assessment of physical play. But it is the best we got, and FWIW Reaves has the the 12th most hits in the league. He is the Penguins team leader in hits by a pretty large margin. That is while playing less than 7 minutes per game on average. He is clearly trying to be a physical presence during his time on the ice. Whether that is a meaningful deterrent is anyone's guess.


You sure about that?

https://twitter.com/chasepwilliams/stat ... -letang%2F

Let's go back to something a super genius said earlier in this thread!

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You mean a player's presence on a team isn't going to stop Crosby or any other star from getting pummeled? You mean that has been proven the case time and time again? You mean maybe the problem is the league's inability to police and protect their stars?


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https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/ther ... r-players/


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"Jagr's our best player and whenever somebody takes a run at him it's my job to make sure that doesn't happen again," Tootoo said Tuesday night.

"I asked the guy to go, countless times, and when you're a player that is going to run around and do [expletive] like that to our best players, it's my job to take action and make sure it stops right there."

And that's the thing. Tootoo did try to take action, and he did try to make sure it stopped. But it didn't. And not only did it not stop, it continued with Tootoo on the ice and ended with Jagr leaving the game after an illegal hit. When asked if it would carry over to the next time they play, Tootoo said he won't forget what number Bortuzzo wears. The two will probably fight if they're both in the lineup, but again, what is that going to change? It's not going to stop Bortuzzo from playing physical because that's what got him to the NHL and it's what is going to keep him in the NHL.

Nate Thompson beating up Keith Ballard is not going to stop him from hip checking a future player into oblivion if he gets the chance.

There was a time, starting in the mid-to-late 1980s and lasting for about two decades, that teams insisted on having a roster spot dedicated to a guy that had no other role but to play four or five minutes per game and fight. Teams felt they were bodyguards for their star players and that they could either deter violence or make other teams answer for violence that they dished out. But they did nothing of the sort, and in recent years there were just as many hits warranting supplementary discipline when the heavyweights were in the lineup than they when they were not. Given how that role has sharply declined in recent years and with fewer and fewer teams keeping a "fighter" on their roster, I suspect teams have started to realize that and understand that the roster spot is too valuable to waste on a player who isn't helping on the ice and isn't offering the type of protection they want.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:45 pm 
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:

For your reading pleasure.

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"Jagr's our best player and whenever somebody takes a run at him it's my job to make sure that doesn't happen again," Tootoo said Tuesday night.

"I asked the guy to go, countless times, and when you're a player that is going to run around and do [expletive] like that to our best players, it's my job to take action and make sure it stops right there."

And that's the thing. Tootoo did try to take action, and he did try to make sure it stopped. But it didn't. And not only did it not stop, it continued with Tootoo on the ice and ended with Jagr leaving the game after an illegal hit. When asked if it would carry over to the next time they play, Tootoo said he won't forget what number Bortuzzo wears. The two will probably fight if they're both in the lineup, but again, what is that going to change? It's not going to stop Bortuzzo from playing physical because that's what got him to the NHL and it's what is going to keep him in the NHL.

Nate Thompson beating up Keith Ballard is not going to stop him from hip checking a future player into oblivion if he gets the chance.

There was a time, starting in the mid-to-late 1980s and lasting for about two decades, that teams insisted on having a roster spot dedicated to a guy that had no other role but to play four or five minutes per game and fight. Teams felt they were bodyguards for their star players and that they could either deter violence or make other teams answer for violence that they dished out. But they did nothing of the sort, and in recent years there were just as many hits warranting supplementary discipline when the heavyweights were in the lineup than they when they were not. Given how that role has sharply declined in recent years and with fewer and fewer teams keeping a "fighter" on their roster, I suspect teams have started to realize that and understand that the roster spot is too valuable to waste on a player who isn't helping on the ice and isn't offering the type of protection they want.


I generally agree an enforcer is a wasted roster spot. However this year a 3 time Stanley Cup winning GM thought that roster spot was worth a gamble to try to do something to help a team that had lost more man games to injury than any other team over the last half decade. Maybe he should have consulted with the super genius first.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:01 pm 
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SteelPro wrote:
I generally agree an enforcer is a wasted roster spot. However this year a 3 time Stanley Cup winning GM thought that roster spot was worth a gamble to try to do something to help a team that had lost more man games to injury than any other team over the last half decade. Maybe he should have consulted with the super genius first.


The same 3-time Stanley Cup-winning GM that hired a junior coach to manage the aspirations of a Stanley Cup contender with Evgeni Malkin and Sidney Crosby? The junior coach who hadn't sniffed an NHL head coaching position and whose meager NHL experience ended six years before getting hired. That one?

The same GM that traded for Jordan Staal and gave up huge assets, even though Staal had the Penguins over a barrel, declining their new contract offer and stating he wanted to play with his brother?

Seems like an easily identifiable, terrible mistake ended up being an easily identifiable, terrible mistake.

The league has been trending away from the goons and the "protectors." Maybe Reaves is "more" than that (lol), but he certainly came in to be a "goon" and "enforce" the game. All the interviews after the trade and even today are about that. This antiquated thought hasn't come to fruition as JR hoped. Surprise!

Bit of mental gymnastics there on the man games lost. Dating things back more than half a decade makes it even more questionable, as the Penguins roster was completely different and even employed more "tough guys" during that time frame than it does now.

Anyway, in order to bring that up as an argument, you'd have to assume:
A) A large chunk of injuries occurred because the Penguins stars or players in general were not being protected
B) If there were such a protector, the Penguins stars/players would not experience injuries

But those are falsehoods you know to be untrue that you're using to form an argument to make yourself feel better. You all lost because you were wrong. I was right. I will continue to let you know that.


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