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 Post subject: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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1.) Leighton Vander Esch 6’4 245 ILB Boise St- As much as I prefer Roquan Smith and Tremaine Edmunds those bad asses will be long gone by the time the Steelers pick. Most mocks I’ve read have this kid going outside round 1 but a strong combine shoots him up the draft board

2.) Vic Beasley 6’3 246 EDGE Atlanta Falcons- “Drama you two bit redneck peckerwood! The Falcons aren’t trading Vic Beasley to the Steelers for a first round pick let alone a measly 2nd." Probably not but hear me out. After rookie Duke Riley failed to impress then was lost for the year due to injury, Beasley was moved to strong side linebacker in Dan Quinn’s version of the Seattle 4-3. He wasn’t terrible but he’s not a 4-3 linebacker. With his sack total dropping from 15.5 to 5, Quinn says he moving Beasley back to full time DE. In theory, he and rookie stud Tak Mckinnley would make a fearsome duo, but I don’t think Beasley can hold up at DE. I think he’s a square peg in Quinn’s round hole. I’d like to see what he can do coming off the edge in a 3-4. Perhaps the Steelers would too.

3.) Earl Thomas 5’10 202 FS Seattle Seahawks- You don’t see Seattle trading him? “Well, how’d you like to kiss my sister’s black cat’s ass?” The Seahawks covet day 2 picks and Thomas seems to want out. I know he isn’t the stud he used to be but Thomas is exactly the type of veteran the deep patrol needs to recover from the disaster that was Mike Mitchell.

5T) Folorunso Fatukasi 6’4 318 NT UConn- Big, athletic ‘sum bitch that can wreak some havoc up the middle. A piece of clay for new DL coach Karl Dunbar to mold.

5) Tegray Scales 6’0 228 ILB Indiana- Not the biggest fella but kid is a missile chasing plays to the sideline something Vince Williams can’t do.

7T.) Chris Worley 6’1 232 ILB Ohio St- While I believe teammate Jerome Baker to be vastly overrated, I think Worley is being underrated. Kid is really solid in the middle strong against the run and able to play all 3 downs. Day 3 steal right here

7) Phillip Lindsay 5’8 190 RB Colorado- “He’s 6’5 with the afro 6’9” Ok he’s just a little fella but the “tazmanian devil” here goes full tilt on every play. Trust me youtube is your friend on this kid. Very fun to watch “Feet move like beaters on a hand mixer.” Heart of a lion this kid has. Dig him.

Ok maybe I’m not your Judas Goat but I want the Steelers back in the Super Bowl. I’m only half kidding with the outlandish trade talk. It’s just frustrating to sit down on a rainy Saturday evening and look at the available defensive talent then wonder what the point is when chances are they won’t get the coaching they need to succeed anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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Have we officially reached the National Lampoon '80 version of the draft process where we're out of ideas and just smoke too much pot/snort too much cocaine? :lol:

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ahh...the good ole days...any of that now would probably give me a heart attack....


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 Post subject: Re: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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Steelers trade 1-28 to the Niners for picks 2-59 3-70 3-74

2.Tim Settle NT Va Tech
2 Malik Jefferson ILB Texas
3 Marcus Allen FS PSU
3 Lorenzo Carter LB UGA
3 Rashaad Penny RB SDSU
5 Ja'Von Rolland-Jones OLB Ark State

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 Post subject: Re: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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FC wrote:
Steelers trade 1-28 to the Niners for picks 2-59 3-70 3-74

2.Tim Settle NT Va Tech
2 Malik Jefferson ILB Texas
3 Marcus Allen FS PSU
3 Lorenzo Carter LB UGA
3 Rashaad Penny RB SDSU
5 Ja'Von Rolland-Jones OLB Ark State

Last couple of years, I've really been trying to get over my distaste for Penn State players of recent vintage. I was being unfair and, to be fair, a couple of them were okay. That being said, I don't see what ANYONE sees in Marcus Allen, other than he's got a famous name. He's got issues tackling and covering... other than that...

What is it you see?

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 Post subject: Re: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
FC wrote:
Steelers trade 1-28 to the Niners for picks 2-59 3-70 3-74

2.Tim Settle NT Va Tech
2 Malik Jefferson ILB Texas
3 Marcus Allen FS PSU
3 Lorenzo Carter LB UGA
3 Rashaad Penny RB SDSU
5 Ja'Von Rolland-Jones OLB Ark State

Last couple of years, I've really been trying to get over my distaste for Penn State players of recent vintage. I was being unfair and, to be fair, a couple of them were okay. That being said, I don't see what ANYONE sees in Marcus Allen, other than he's got a famous name. He's got issues tackling and covering... other than that...

What is it you see?


Turn it around.. tell me who on the Steelers Roster is better than Allen.. Come on look at the shit we have been putting on the field.. I know Allen is green but damn I think he is better than average rookie.. with huge upside..
I thought the kid was pretty damn good for PSU. He could be great for this team..
I think that's like you saying, Barkley is just an average player..


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 Post subject: Re: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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Tundralag wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
FC wrote:
Steelers trade 1-28 to the Niners for picks 2-59 3-70 3-74

2.Tim Settle NT Va Tech
2 Malik Jefferson ILB Texas
3 Marcus Allen FS PSU
3 Lorenzo Carter LB UGA
3 Rashaad Penny RB SDSU
5 Ja'Von Rolland-Jones OLB Ark State

Last couple of years, I've really been trying to get over my distaste for Penn State players of recent vintage. I was being unfair and, to be fair, a couple of them were okay. That being said, I don't see what ANYONE sees in Marcus Allen, other than he's got a famous name. He's got issues tackling and covering... other than that...

What is it you see?


Turn it around.. tell me who on the Steelers Roster is better than Allen.. Come on look at the shit we have been putting on the field.. I know Allen is green but damn I think he is better than average rookie.. with huge upside..
I thought the kid was pretty damn good for PSU. He could be great for this team..
I think that's like you saying, Barkley is just an average player..

Nah Barkley is a big outlier talent. He has a couple of significant warts that someone will hope to train out of him but he’s cut of a different class than most RBs.

I think Allen is raw but I also don’t think he’s going to test very well and I don’t like his tape. Being better than the Steelers’ safeties is not a standard I’m interested in.

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 Post subject: Re: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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I am not happy with any safeties in this class.

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 Post subject: Re: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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I mean, I don't hate Allen the player... as a mid round or late round pick. He's a good tackler and would be a core STs guy. He reminds me too much of Robert Golden and Mike Mitchell. Guess I'm afraid the Steelers will love him.

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jebrick wrote:
I am not happy with any safeties in this class.

I think there are about 5 or 6 really good ones.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
jebrick wrote:
I am not happy with any safeties in this class.

I think there are about 5 or 6 really good ones.



Terrell Edmunds, Quin Blanding, or Kyzir White in the 3rd round. Damon Webb in the 5th.


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Charles Demarr wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
jebrick wrote:
I am not happy with any safeties in this class.

I think there are about 5 or 6 really good ones.



Terrell Edmunds, Quin Blanding, or Kyzir White in the 3rd round. Damon Webb in the 5th.



I'd also be good with Ronnie Harrison @ 1.28, and Armani Watts in the 2nd


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 Post subject: Re: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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I like one of those guys A LOT, and two more I'm good with. A couple... not so much.

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 Post subject: Re: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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Charles Demarr wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
I think there are about 5 or 6 really good ones.



Terrell Edmunds, Quin Blanding, or Kyzir White in the 3rd round. Damon Webb in the 5th.



I'd also be good with Ronnie Harrison @ 1.28, and Armani Watts in the 2nd

No thanks to White...no, no thanks!

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 Post subject: Re: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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What is it you see?


I am not a big time fan of Allen...I will say this. He won't test as fast in the 40 he reminds me of Mike Mitchell in a bigger body

Allen is slagged for slow feet, a lack of range, and poor reaction time to locate the ball in the air.

I believe Allen is a capable athlete to play safety in the NFL.

He was a busy body defender at PSU...He tries to cover up mistakes/holes in coverage and made things worse.

Allen is smart...Allen is aggressive..Allen has great size average length and he has great character on and off the field

It may push Mitchell of the roster this year...At worst Allen is the starting SS in 2019.

The mock I slapped up there is what I feel the Steelers would do...What I would do is far different

2.Arden Key OLB LSU
2 Tim Settle NT Va Tech
3 Terrell Edmunds S Va Tech
3 DaeSean Hamilton, WR, Penn State
3 Rashaad Penny RB SDSU
5 Andre Smith ILB UNC
7.Greg Senat OT Wagner

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 Post subject: Re: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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FC, is that assuming some solution at ILB presents itself in FA? If so, it solves a lot of problems.


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What is the thoughts on Jessie Bates III, FS, Wake Forest?

Has the speed and the instincts. Seems to be allergic to run support.

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Ice wrote:
FC, is that assuming some solution at ILB presents itself in FA? If so, it solves a lot of problems.


Avery Williamson ILB from the Titans should be the target. He can play, and he should be affordable.


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 Post subject: Re: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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Charles Demarr wrote:
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FC, is that assuming some solution at ILB presents itself in FA? If so, it solves a lot of problems.


Avery Williamson ILB from the Titans should be the target. He can play, and he should be affordable.




agreed...gotta be some ILB cuts coming as well


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 Post subject: Re: Wild Bunch of Trade Ideas
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heres a list of possible replacements, bolded the guys i like

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Nigel Bradham (28), Eagles
He has developed into a quality three-down contributor with some playmaking prowess, both in run and pass D.


OTHER SIGNIFICANT FREE AGENTS

Tahir Whitehead (27), Lions
He can be very disruptive when pinning his ears back and pursuing the ball—needs to be a piece in a linebacking unit, not its headliner.

Avery Williamson (26), Titans
He rarely came off the field in Tennessee thanks to his gap-soundness in run D and serviceability against the pass.

NaVorro Bowman (29), Raiders
It’s hard to imagine the Raiders not making a strong run at re-signing him given the way he saved their decrepit linebacking corps last year. It is, however, a new coaching staff there…

Zach Brown (28), Washington
His pursuit speed is excellent, but he’s not immune to misreads.

Paul Posluszny (33), Jaguars
He doesn’t run like he used to, but is so smart and fundamentally sound (flawless?) that it often doesn’t matter.

Todd Davis (25), Broncos
He’s higher on this list because he’s so stingy against the run, but his vulnerability in coverage could leave him with less money than guys below him (like Hitchens, Pierre-Louis and maybe even Bynes).

Anthony Hitchens (25), Cowboys
The talent is evident, but he couldn’t secure an every-down role last season. Why?

Preston Brown (25), Bills
Average in every sense of the word.

Demario Davis (29), Jets
He’s too young to be washing up, but where was he down the stretch?

Karlos Dansby (36), Cardinals
One of those guys who does everything right, which makes coaches comfortable. That’s why he’ll always crack the starting lineup if he’s on the roster.

Kevin Pierre-Louis (26), Chiefs
Kansas City’s defense at times looked better when he rotated in for an aging Derrick Johnson.


Jon Bostic (26), Colts
He’s by no means dynamic, but has developed good awareness in zone coverage.

Josh Bynes (28), Lions
Multiple times for the Lions and Cardinals he did a stellar job as a fill-in first-teamer. He’s worth considering as a passing-down specialist.

Will Compton (28), Washington
A few times he’s earned playing time ahead of more talented players. He’s worth signing as a source of quality depth.

Christian Jones (27), Bears
Most of his snaps have come as a passing-down specialist. Given how much nickel teams play these days, could he garner low-end starter money?

Devon Kennard (26), Giants
Brings value as a strong-side ’backer who can get physical with tight ends off the snap.

Potential Cap Casualties (in alphabetical order): Ray-Ray Armstrong (49ers), Jerrell Freeman (Bears), David Harris (Patriots), Derrick Johnson (Chiefs), Vincent Rey (Bengals)


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Thanks FC— that’s kind of on the track with what I see. I do think Allen could be a core STs guy but I just don’t think he’ll ever be good enough going backwards to play SS at a high level. If you had a loaded team, he’d be a great guy to pick. And he’s a reliable tackler, which is rare. He resembles Mitchell and Golden, which to me makes him both likely to be a steeler and unlikely to solve safety coverage issues.

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Sheesh, but using the word "replacement" still hurts a little bit. Well, more than a little.

Local Iggles fans see Bradham as an almost certain FA casualty, due to the overvalue of Super Bowl winners, and the lack of depth in the class. He'll probably be the top FA ILB.

Williamson looks like a nice fallback. I gotta check out the kid from Chicago.

I think if recent history shows much, they'll get a vet or two on board at LB and/or safety before the draft.


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Williamson is not serviceable against the pass, he's borderline terrible. Hope to heck he's not being considered.


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Ice wrote:
Sheesh, but using the word "replacement" still hurts a little bit. Well, more than a little.

Local Iggles fans see Bradham as an almost certain FA casualty, due to the overvalue of Super Bowl winners, and the lack of depth in the class. He'll probably be the top FA ILB.

Williamson looks like a nice fallback. I gotta check out the kid from Chicago.

I think if recent history shows much, they'll get a vet or two on board at LB and/or safety before the draft.

Lack of ILB depth in the class? Um, what?

REALLY deep ILB class. One of the deepest I can ever remember.

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I'll admit I'm a little lacking on the pro personnel watching side of things, B2B. Pro footballs become a little difficult to watch, based on entertainment value, lack of time due to work, and a few other factors. I'll catch up, but Sundays are always a little tight during the school year. Having now checked out the kid from Chicago, I like what I see there, too.


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