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 Post subject: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:54 pm 
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Until there is actually a resolution—or until something awful happens—the most significant story about the 2018 offseason for the Pittsburgh Steelers is going to be the Le’Veon Bell saga and whether or not he will come to terms with the team. Failing that, the Steelers will have to decide whether or not to put the franchise tag on him. otherwise he will become an unrestricted free agent.

The Steelers running back is a two-time All-Pro and is the most productive player in the NFL in terms of yards gained per game played since he has come into the league. He is actually at the most productive pace in NFL history, becoming the fastest player to reach 8000 yards from scrimmage.

Now that the season is over, we have a bit more than a month before the new league year begins, but it will be only a couple of weeks before the team can place the franchise tag on him. it is currently unknow when or if the Steelers intend to do that in the event of the failure to reach a contract agreement.

Bell himself has said that he feels as though the two sides are “night and day” in comparison to last season, referring to the proximity toward getting a contract done. He also said that the two sides have created an artificial deadline of wanting to finish a deal prior to the date at which the franchise tag can be applied.

The problem is that Bell is the only person from which we have heard these reports. Previously, Adam Schefter cast doubt on the running back’s interpretation of events. Now, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette beat writer Ed Bouchette is doing the same.

During a recent chat session through the newspaper’s website, the veteran reporter fielded a question about whether or not the sides are as close to a deal as has been reported. “The only one who has ‘reported’ they are close to a deal is Le’Veon himself”, Bouchette replied. “I was told that is just not true”.

The paper’s account of events would seem to corroborate Schefter’s earlier report, which maintained that there have been no serious talks nor any significant progress made toward a deal. In this case, Bouchette is saying outright that he is being told a deal is not close, which is pretty significant.

Earlier in the chat, he was also asked about his ‘sense’ on whether or not a deal will ultimately get done. He responded that he is “still unsure whether Bell will be with them or not” and that he is “trying to get a better feel on that”.

Regardless of how opinions vary on whether or not a deal will get done with the All-Pro, the sides are even more sharply divided over whether or not the Steelers should re-sign him for what it would inevitably cost, which figures to be, on the low end, about $14 million per season.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:58 pm 
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Both Super Bowl teams had RB by committee.

Bell either signs a reasonable deal, or let him walk, fix the D, and learn how to get better production out of RB by committee.

Tomlin wants to prove he's a good coach?

Stop trying to load up at star players at every position so you can coast by on them.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:01 pm 
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Both Super Bowl teams had RB by committee.

Bell either signs a reasonable deal, or let him walk, fix the D, and learn how to get better production out of RB by committee.

Tomlin wants to prove he's a good coach?

Stop trying to load up at star players at every position so you can coast by on them.




i agree


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:19 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
Both Super Bowl teams had RB by committee.

Bell either signs a reasonable deal, or let him walk, fix the D, and learn how to get better production out of RB by committee.

Tomlin wants to prove he's a good coach?

Stop trying to load up at star players at every position so you can coast by on them.


This ^

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:28 pm 
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The problem is: we don't even have one above average RB on the roster at this moment.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
The problem is: we don't even have one above average RB on the roster at this moment.


with $15,000,000.00, we can easily buy a very good RB committee, plus sign several impact D players.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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steel wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
The problem is: we don't even have one above average RB on the roster at this moment.


with $15,000,000.00, we can easily buy a very good RB committee, plus sign several impact D players.


Not really.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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TB wrote:
steel wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
The problem is: we don't even have one above average RB on the roster at this moment.


with $15,000,000.00, we can easily buy a very good RB committee, plus sign several impact D players.


Not really.


Question is, even if we could, would we?

Or would be pad our roster with another crop of mediocre role players ala Moats, Sensabaugh, Cockrell, Wilcox, Alualu, etc, etc?


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Maybe you just be bluntly honest with Bell..."we love, would love to sign you to a deal....we'll let you test FA and hope you give us an opportunity to match".

$14.5M is a lot of coin, but might not be nearly as bad as 4/$50M for a guy who looks like he lost a step. And, yeah, he stayed healthy but how long can he handle that kind of workload?

IMO, he's not getting close to $12M per year. I'd be surprised if gets much more than a 5/$50M deal, if that.

The thing is, if you can fit him under the cap, why not tag him? Because I'm afraid pride will keep Bell from taking a matching deal with PIT. You turned down 5/$60M, and so you're going to have to come up with reasons why you ultimately took less money.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
The problem is: we don't even have one above average RB on the roster at this moment.


Calling Javorskie Lane!

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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So sick and tired of this asshole... tag the fucker and trade his ass....


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:59 am 
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I don't know, lately I have been daydreaming of one RB that I would consider in place of Bell.

Hear me out, there is really only one RB worth a damn in free agency, Carlos Hyde. He is big, 6'0 230-235 pounds and has a very deceptive running style, many might think he is this bruising, punishing style of RB but he also has deceptive speed and breaks off many long runs over 20+ yards. He had 6 runs over 20+ yards, Bell had just 3 this past season, and Hyde had one run over 40+ yards (a 61 yard run). He has always played behind a crappy O-line, with poor QB play and he might really do well in Pittsburgh. Hyde had 59 receptions last season. Yes, he had probably more drops than Bell but it was also really the first season that they really involved him heavily in the passing game. He also would really need to improve his pass protection, but James Saxon could whip him into shape.

He will turn 28 in September.

So, do you give Bell that franchise number of $14.5 million and watch him play that out and leave for the 2019 season?

Or do you just talk to Hyde and say hey how would you like to be the new starting RB for the Super Bowl contending Pittsburgh Steelers? How would you like to run behind an offensive line composed of Pro Bowlers? How would you like to play with a HOF QB in Big Ben?

Wouldn't it be better to pursue Hyde and give him a 4 year $24 million contract that pays him an average of $6 million a year? Wouldn't it be better to have a RB that will be here for the next 3 years with Ben? They can still draft a RB in round 5 to return kicks and be a complementary 3rd down back, they still have Connor. A trio of Carlos Hyde, James Connor and a 5th round rookie RB would be a nice option.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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there is really only one RB worth a damn in free agency, Carlos Hyde.
A great replacement at a reasonable cost. There are several RB's in FA that would fit the bill behind the Steelers top 5 OLine. Hyde is certainly one of them. I agree Scunge. To name a few... Isaiah Crowell, Dion Lewis, Jerick McKinnon, Damien Williams are all in the 25-27 year old RB's range. Young, productive and capable. Not to mention what's in the draft this year.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Jeemie wrote:
Both Super Bowl teams had RB by committee.

Bell either signs a reasonable deal, or let him walk, fix the D, and learn how to get better production out of RB by committee.

Tomlin wants to prove he's a good coach?

Stop trying to load up at star players at every position so you can coast by on them.


totally agree. It is better for the team to let Bell walk then to pay him more than $10M per year.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Well, to me, Hyde is the only option. He has star potential in our offense, running behind our O-line and the rest of the supporting cast. The other free agent RBs are just pretenders to me, they have too many warts, Hyde has the goods, had the talent and the production, the past two seasons he has combined for over 1900+ yards rushing, 14 rushing TDs, and also had 86 receptions and another 3 TDs.

He could be a 3 down back in our offense, some of the other FA RBs have holes in their game, can't do it all, Hyde can.

Anyway, he is the one player that I would consider. Go to Bell and say hey, this is our final offer and then if he turns up his nose you go to Carlos Hyde and say hey, here is a 4 year $24-28 million deal. Handle it like the Wallace/Brown thing again, sort of. He is a former Ohio State Buckeye, we have some of his former teammates on the team, maybe they can put in a good word, convince him, also maybe he might like to be closer to home, a Cincy native, etc.

That 14.5 million franchise number is just crazy when you stop and consider that could easily pay for half the cost of a contract to a player like Carlos Hyde.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Jerick McKinnon would be a great pick up if the goal is to have an offense that looked like the ones in the SB. He's a guy that you could give 15 touches a game to. I'd imagine you could get him for 4M or less per season. He has home run ability.

McKinnon, Conner, and, say, a 3rd round RB would give you a nice stable of backs.


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Carlos Hyde. He is big, 6'0 230-235 pounds and has a very deceptive running style


Fumbles
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Will be 28
Poor team mate

Zero interest

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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I really like the idea of Hyde, with Conner backing up and maybe pick-up a specialist or 3rd down guy in FA or the draft.

But will Hyde actually make it to FA? the 49ers have $116M in cap space currently. Which ALSO makes an interesting trading partner for Bell - we tag and trade Bell, and they sign Hyde to a long-term deal and eat additional cap on him to actually trade some cap dollars to PIT (again, too cutting edge for Colbert).

Hyde is probably just not worth tagging for SF, but they figure to easily match anything reasonable Hyde gets. The only exception would be they could go after Bell in a big way. And I bet they would love to bring in a guy like Bell with Garappalo.

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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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Carlos Hyde. He is big, 6'0 230-235 pounds and has a very deceptive running style


Fumbles
Injured
Will be 28
Poor team mate

Zero interest



Draft Rashaad Penny and theres your cheap franchise RB?..does he make it to our rnd 2 pick?


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 Post subject: Re: Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal
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jebrick wrote:
totally agree. It is better for the team to let Bell walk then to pay him more than $10M per year.


But ONLY if you can use that money for an impact player on defense. Otherwise why are you making your team worse to save some money....for what?

The cap is projected to increase another $7-$10M this year. I don't think there are going to be many (if any) studs available on defense - the guys who are worth the big bucks are getting resigned.....the rest usually have some major issues or are already declining in a significant way.

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