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 Post subject: Is the HaleyBall offense a consequence of....
PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:49 pm 
Less than stellar redzone performance ?

Thats the only thing in my mind that might be a legit football reason for smallball rather than a prevailing FO groupthink flaw.

And to be precisely clear. The Steelers and Haley are HORRIBLE at smallball in and of itself wholly and totally before a discussion of its possible merits is justified.

Since 2008 the Steelers havent ranked higher than 12th (2012) in redzone TD production

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/r ... 2017-10-12


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 Post subject: Re: Is the HaleyBall offense a consequence of....
PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:22 pm 
Furthermore.....why do we have such chronic redzone issues ? What would fix that ?


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Don’t split out Bell.
Bell dives over the line like Fournette.
QB sneak....Our QB is huge....keeps the linebacker from declaring a split second longer.
Bring Alien in at TE or Slot.
Bootleg play action option.
Naked Bootleg.
Timing pattern to Alien in the corner.
Use Villy for Tackle eligible...he was a TE and WR at West Point.
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 Post subject: Re: Is the HaleyBall offense a consequence of....
PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:36 pm 
Don’t split out Bell.
Bell dives over the line like Fournette.
Bring Alien in at TE or Slot
Timing pattern to Alien in the corner.

I think those 4 might have some merit


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 Post subject: Re: Is the HaleyBall offense a consequence of....
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This iteration of Haley's system is a direct result of Tomlin's alterations. Like it or not, dems da fax.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:38 pm 
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This iteration of Haley's system is a direct result of Tomlin's alterations. Like it or not, dems da fax.


No.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the HaleyBall offense a consequence of....
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Lynch wrote:
This iteration of Haley's system is a direct result of Tomlin's alterations. Like it or not, dems da fax.

Prove it!

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Lynch wrote:
This iteration of Haley's system is a direct result of Tomlin's alterations. Like it or not, dems da fax.

I don't get this post at all.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Lynch wrote:
This iteration of Haley's system is a direct result of Tomlin's alterations. Like it or not, dems da fax.

I don't get this post at all.


I don't get this thread at all or any of STD's posting diarrhea.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the HaleyBall offense a consequence of....
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Our red zone offense can easily be fixed by running double move routes from the 5 yard line. We do that and we become the juggernaut we all yearn for.

And for fuck's sake, can we run more empty sets from the 1?

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Furthermore.....why do we have such chronic redzone issues ? What would fix that ?


People aren't going to like this answer, but the one constant of shitty RZ performance is Ben. He's just not good down there, whether it's him checking into the wrong plays or execution errors


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 Post subject: Re: Is the HaleyBall offense a consequence of....
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Lackadaisical approach, poor situational football play calling that's apparently endorsed by the FO and head coach. Example: You don't feel like practicing Wednesday's? Awe... el pobrecito..., go ahead and take the day off. Or..., it's 3rd down and 2 go ahead and have Bryant streak down the sideline for a 40 yard bomb that has less chance of completing than to simply Run Bell or Conner the 3 yards and a cloud of dust. /rant


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Donnie Brasco wrote:
SteelerChef wrote:
Furthermore.....why do we have such chronic redzone issues ? What would fix that ?


People aren't going to like this answer, but the one constant of shitty RZ performance is Ben. He's just not good down there, whether it's him checking into the wrong plays or execution errors

Why was Ben able to be so good in 2005 & 2007? Was it just his mobility?

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 Post subject: Re: Is the HaleyBall offense a consequence of....
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Haley doesn't know how to scheme guys open at our own 20 yard line! How the hell could he scheme guys open from inside the 10 yard line with such little field to work with? If you couple this with him either telegraphing what he wants to do (extra lineman and 1 WR or empty backfield and Ben in the gun), you then realize why we can't score in the red zone. Haley is no strategist - that's for sure!


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
SteelerChef wrote:
Furthermore.....why do we have such chronic redzone issues ? What would fix that ?


People aren't going to like this answer, but the one constant of shitty RZ performance is Ben. He's just not good down there, whether it's him checking into the wrong plays or execution errors

Why was Ben able to be so good in 2005 & 2007? Was it just his mobility?


Heath Miller and Hines Ward could get open in tight space.

Randle El a bit too.

And Whiz did a great job with multiple plays out of one formation.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
SteelerChef wrote:
Furthermore.....why do we have such chronic redzone issues ? What would fix that ?


People aren't going to like this answer, but the one constant of shitty RZ performance is Ben. He's just not good down there, whether it's him checking into the wrong plays or execution errors

Why was Ben able to be so good in 2005 & 2007? Was it just his mobility?


2 seasons out of 13. I'd call those statistical outliers more than anything else.

Like Parcells always says: at the end of the day, your record is pretty reflective of who you are. You lose some you should have won. You won some you should have lost.

Ben will go down as a mediocre RZ QB for his career.


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 Post subject: Re: Is the HaleyBall offense a consequence of....
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:24 am 
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Haley doesn't know how to scheme guys open at our own 20 yard line! How the hell could he scheme guys open from inside the 10 yard line with such little field to work with? If you couple this with him either telegraphing what he wants to do (extra lineman and 1 WR or empty backfield and Ben in the gun), you then realize why we can't score in the red zone. Haley is no strategist - that's for sure!


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 Post subject: Re: Is the HaleyBall offense a consequence of....
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Lackadaisical approach, poor situational football play calling that's apparently endorsed by the FO and head coach. Example: You don't feel like practicing Wednesday's? Awe... el pobrecito..., go ahead and take the day off. Or..., it's 3rd down and 2 go ahead and have Bryant streak down the sideline for a 40 yard bomb that has less chance of completing than to simply Run Bell or Conner the 3 yards and a cloud of dust. /rant


To be fair to Ben he didn't practice Wednesdays because the coaches told him not to.

That changed this week.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
SteelerChef wrote:
Furthermore.....why do we have such chronic redzone issues ? What would fix that ?


People aren't going to like this answer, but the one constant of shitty RZ performance is Ben. He's just not good down there, whether it's him checking into the wrong plays or execution errors

Why was Ben able to be so good in 2005 & 2007? Was it just his mobility?


Influence of Cowher & leftover influence of Cowher.


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Jeemie wrote:
Heath Miller and Hines Ward could get open in tight space.

Randle El a bit too.

And Whiz did a great job with multiple plays out of one formation.

Exactamundo. I'd argue 2007 Ben wasn't as good at prereads as he is now, even.

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2 seasons out of 13. I'd call those statistical outliers more than anything else.

Like Parcells always says: at the end of the day, your record is pretty reflective of who you are. You lose some you should have won. You won some you should have lost.

Ben will go down as a mediocre RZ QB for his career.

Ben was neither a consistently mediocre RZ QB nor poor on the road before Haley. Both those trends developed after that point.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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2 seasons out of 13. I'd call those statistical outliers more than anything else.

Like Parcells always says: at the end of the day, your record is pretty reflective of who you are. You lose some you should have won. You won some you should have lost.

Ben will go down as a mediocre RZ QB for his career.

Ben was neither a consistently mediocre RZ QB nor poor on the road before Haley. Both those trends developed after that point.


So you're saying that Ben doesn't have the capability to change the original playcall in the RZ? Whatever call comes in, he MUST go with that?


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He has the ability to change from some things to other things, not necessarily the ability to change drastically.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the HaleyBall offense a consequence of....
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:22 pm 
And lets be honest about 2 things as far as audibles go....

1. Haley is probably the worst in the nfl at getting the play call in on time.

2. Any audible is still going to be a play in the limited HaleyBall playbook


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