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He was pretty good in spot action during his rookie year. I think he has a higher ceiling as a pass catcher than James does. I remember him being a decent blocker? Anyone have any insights?


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Yes he can. In the time (limited) Grimble saw on the field before his picture was on milk cartons he showed great promise. No reason to believe he can't regain the limelight again. Besides, the fact that the Steelers really have no more alternatives, I think Grimble is all but forced to play. To me this means another season of david johnson too. Unless Orndoff or Odom really make the most of this opportunity. We'll see. Training camp, OTA's and Preseason are going to be very interesting this season.


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Interestingly, Grimble (5.62) and James (5.63) had nearly the same yards per target last year. For comparison, Ladarius Green (8.94).

Grimble had 1 TD every 10.5 targets, James every 23.6, Green every 34.

Even in a down year last year, playing with hot garbage at QB and WR, Barnidge did 7.46 YPT & a TD every 41 attempts. In 2015, he did 8.34 YPT & 1 TD every 13.88 attempts.

I think Barnidge is no worse than a 800 yd, 70 or so catches, 3-4 TD guy in Pittsburgh 2017. I don't think James can do that.

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Interestingly, Grimble (5.62) and James (5.63) had nearly the same yards per target last year. For comparison, Ladarius Green (8.94).

Grimble had 1 TD every 10.5 targets, James every 23.6, Green every 34.

Even in a down year last year, playing with hot garbage at QB and WR, Barnidge did 7.46 YPT & a TD every 41 attempts. In 2015, he did 8.34 YPT & 1 TD every 13.88 attempts.

I think Barnidge is no worse than a 800 yd, 70 or so catches, 3-4 TD guy in Pittsburgh 2017. I don't think James can do that.


I am pro Barnidge as well, but he's not catching 70 balls next year. I see more of a 50 for 600 and 5 TDS kind of year. Definite upgrade over James and Grimble. Worth a one year deal for sure. I will be very disappointed if they don't bring him in for a look.


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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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The td where he made the grab then stretched into the EZ was totally insane. So it seems like grimble CAN make plays. Lot of guys mill about then disappear too.

Anyway assuming the alien is back in the lineup, I'm thinking about 4 wide.


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I don't think it's fair to players to judge them solely on targets or yards per. It depends on scheme and who the coaches want to focus on because of either contracts or opponent strengths' weaknesses.

I'm guessing James and Grimble will have a great 2017. Green is out of the picture, and they will be involving both of those guys in the offense more than last year. They played their parts with the knowledge that someone was on the roster with a bit more speed at the position.

All those targets Green got will be distributed to James and Grimble. Or MB if he stays clean.

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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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it's still yggy wrote:
The td where he made the grab then stretched into the EZ was totally insane. So it seems like grimble CAN make plays. Lot of guys mill about then disappear too.

Anyway assuming the alien is back in the lineup, I'm thinking about 4 wide.

If only-- have you met our OC? 2 TE or 1 TE + 1FB will be used more than 4 wide.

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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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And they will likely do far less with those targets than Green. Why would you think that James/Green will produce like Green, when they had 2/3 of a season and didn't produce like he did in the same offense/scheme?

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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
And they will likely do far less with those targets than Green. Why would you think that James/Green will produce like Green, when they had 2/3 of a season and didn't produce like he did in the same offense/scheme?


Perhaps because James was the age of a normal rookie? It wouldn't be crazy to think he can take a step or two forward.


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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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It is just too early in the process to give up hope that Colbert can find a TE. I mean we just had a historic draft for TEs and there were many teams that took TEs and that might potentially make a lot of quality TEs available that teams will move on from because they want to get younger, or don't want to pay the money for a vet, or have a situation where the vet is close to leaving.

For example, the Titans drafted Jonnu Smith and maybe they decide to move on from 32 year old Delanie Walker who is in the last year of his contract?

Maybe the 49ers drafting of George Kittle makes Vance McDonald or Garrett Celek expendable? Or at least makes them open to the possibility of trading one?

Maybe Jake Butt makes Elway move on from Virgil Green or Jeff Huerman?

Maybe teams in love with their new shiny TE prospect decide to cut last year's shiny TE prospects like Tyler Higbee, MyCole Pruitt, Jerrell Adams?

Maybe the Lions go all in with Michael Roberts and decide to move on from Eric Ebron and decide to trade him?

You just never know what might happen, there are different waves of free agency, there will be cuts as teams get excited with their new draft picks, there will be cuts during the preseason and final cuts, etc.

Yes, Gary Barnidge is the popular choice right now, but it might not be the best choice depending on what transpires over the next 4 months.

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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Interestingly, Grimble (5.62) and James (5.63) had nearly the same yards per target last year. For comparison, Ladarius Green (8.94).

Grimble had 1 TD every 10.5 targets, James every 23.6, Green every 34.

Even in a down year last year, playing with hot garbage at QB and WR, Barnidge did 7.46 YPT & a TD every 41 attempts. In 2015, he did 8.34 YPT & 1 TD every 13.88 attempts.

I think Barnidge is no worse than a 800 yd, 70 or so catches, 3-4 TD guy in Pittsburgh 2017. I don't think James can do that.

Barnidge, in 2015, was Cleveland primary and lone reliable target. Last season, just he and Pryor. Put him in Steelers offense, and he's about the third or fourth, mostly fourth option. He's not seeing that type of production. Sorry, but I just don't see where Barnidge upgrades this offense.
He's the hot topic here right now, because he's available. Nothing more...

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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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Yes he can. In the time (limited) Grimble saw on the field before his picture was on milk cartons he showed great promise. No reason to believe he can't regain the limelight again. Besides, the fact that the Steelers really have no more alternatives, I think Grimble is all but forced to play. To me this means another season of david johnson too. Unless Orndoff or Odom really make the most of this opportunity. We'll see. Training camp, OTA's and Preseason are going to be very interesting this season.


He broke his ribs vs Baltimore on 12/25 game so we went into the playoffs with just James and Johnson at TE position plus maybe Nix in certain bunch formations. I am not gonna hold broken ribs over a guy. Breathing is hard much less playing football.


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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Interestingly, Grimble (5.62) and James (5.63) had nearly the same yards per target last year. For comparison, Ladarius Green (8.94).

Grimble had 1 TD every 10.5 targets, James every 23.6, Green every 34.

Even in a down year last year, playing with hot garbage at QB and WR, Barnidge did 7.46 YPT & a TD every 41 attempts. In 2015, he did 8.34 YPT & 1 TD every 13.88 attempts.

I think Barnidge is no worse than a 800 yd, 70 or so catches, 3-4 TD guy in Pittsburgh 2017. I don't think James can do that.

Barnidge, in 2015, was Cleveland primary and lone reliable target. Last season, just he and Pryor. Put him in Steelers offense, and he's about the third or fourth, mostly fourth option. He's not seeing that type of production. Sorry, but I just don't see where Barnidge upgrades this offense.
He's the hot topic here right now, because he's available. Nothing more...

He doesn't have to be the best or 3rd best option-- he just has to be better than JJ & Grimble. Which he is. How many targets did Heath Miller get while playing alongside AB, Bryant, & Bell? I'll tell you: 81. Last year, with no one to take coverage away from him, Barnidge had 82 targets. He ended up with 55 catches, 612 yds, 11.1 YPC, 2 TD. In 2015, those 81 targets would have projected to 52/684 13.1 YPC with 6 TDs. That's with a QB that struggled to throw TD passes to anyone. Last year, Steelers tight ends not named Ladarius Green had 81 targets, 50/466, 9.32 YPC, 5 TDs. Can you see the upgrade potential?

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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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Jobus Rum wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Interestingly, Grimble (5.62) and James (5.63) had nearly the same yards per target last year. For comparison, Ladarius Green (8.94).

Grimble had 1 TD every 10.5 targets, James every 23.6, Green every 34.

Even in a down year last year, playing with hot garbage at QB and WR, Barnidge did 7.46 YPT & a TD every 41 attempts. In 2015, he did 8.34 YPT & 1 TD every 13.88 attempts.

I think Barnidge is no worse than a 800 yd, 70 or so catches, 3-4 TD guy in Pittsburgh 2017. I don't think James can do that.

Barnidge, in 2015, was Cleveland primary and lone reliable target. Last season, just he and Pryor. Put him in Steelers offense, and he's about the third or fourth, mostly fourth option. He's not seeing that type of production. Sorry, but I just don't see where Barnidge upgrades this offense.
He's the hot topic here right now, because he's available. Nothing more...

If he's on our offense and David Johnson isn't, then he upgrades it, imo. I agree, he's not a 800 yd, 70 or so catches, 3-4 TD guy in Pittsburgh 2017 without someone (maybe two) getting hurt, which is possible though.


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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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Jobus Rum wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Interestingly, Grimble (5.62) and James (5.63) had nearly the same yards per target last year. For comparison, Ladarius Green (8.94).

Grimble had 1 TD every 10.5 targets, James every 23.6, Green every 34.

Even in a down year last year, playing with hot garbage at QB and WR, Barnidge did 7.46 YPT & a TD every 41 attempts. In 2015, he did 8.34 YPT & 1 TD every 13.88 attempts.

I think Barnidge is no worse than a 800 yd, 70 or so catches, 3-4 TD guy in Pittsburgh 2017. I don't think James can do that.

Barnidge, in 2015, was Cleveland primary and lone reliable target. Last season, just he and Pryor. Put him in Steelers offense, and he's about the third or fourth, mostly fourth option. He's not seeing that type of production. Sorry, but I just don't see where Barnidge upgrades this offense.
He's the hot topic here right now, because he's available. Nothing more...


Counter to that is that teams will be gearing up to stop Brown, Bryant, Bell, and maybe JuJu first. He will get a lot of one-on-one against one of the weaker pass defending backers / safeties. Also, the Seam for the Steelers will be quite large because of the strength at X and Y. Also better QB.

Basically, it would likely be less targets but more productive ones.


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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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He is better than who we would otherwise start at TE. That's the bottom line.

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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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SBI..., if it unfolds the way folks project it to. Ju Ju isn't a TE by trade. He is a WR but now we're reading projections from folks that he'll be a better TE than anyone else on the roster? Dude has yet to play a single down in the NFL and already he's better than some player(s) with 2-3 seasons under his belt? I get it...It's not that unheard of and for the Steelers sake, If Ju Ju is deployed in that manner then I root for his/ the offenses success.


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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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Well, the Steelers were showing interest in more of the smaller, athletic TEs like Engram and Everette. Are they real TEs or are they big WRs? Even the Giants are being coy as to what Engram is or how he will be used calling him both a TE, and an H-back.

I look around the NFL and I see teams that are blurring the preconceived notions of what a WR or what a TE is by definition. For example, Quincy Enunwa of the NY Jets, what is he exactly? Big WR? Small TE? He is 6'2" 225 and the JETs used him as both a WR and TE. If you are a big WR and have the nasty disposition and ability to block why wouldn't a team use you as a TE at times? Enunwa did that last season for the JETs and I see no reason why JuJu could not do some of the same things, yes, he is only 6'1 215 but he is only 20 and will probably add more weight and muscle.

He could be an x-factor, line up at outside WR, inside in the slot, line up as an H-back, as the second TE, the move TE. I don't get the idea that he will not get separation, JuJu is not a 4.7 guy, he ran a very nice 4.54 40 at 215. Where are all of these ILBs, OLBs and Ss that can run 4.54 and keep up with JuJu?

Maybe, just maybe, teams like the Jets with Enunwa and the Steelers with JuJu are starting a trend. It just seems like the Steelers have a genuine plan for JuJu and put a lot of thought into what type of player they needed for the offense.

Back to the original topic, yeah, I can see Grimble contributing more than the 11 catches he had last season. What really goes unnoticed with him is how often they used him as a decoy to clear the middle of the field or open things up to one side or the other. I remember one long Brown TD catch that happened because the defense was so concerned with Grimble that he drew the safety to his side of the field as he was crossing over. Grimble, now that Green is gone, is the smoothest, most dynamic TE that we have and he can show great flashes in catching the ball and making plays on the ball. He just needs consistency and opportunities. I wish they would move on from DJ Johnson. I feel like his blocking is very over-rated and he is not a great special teams player. Tell me what he does that Rosie Nix does not do better? I would rather have Nix in at FB then Johnson on the field as the 2nd TE.

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Scunge always bringing it to this site. One of my favorite posters. Thank you sir for your logical and fact based comments. A player this 'new era TE' reminds me of... Shannon Sharpe.

My hope is Odom or even Orndoff eventually replace johnson. That depends on them.


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Yeah, I just see the Steelers over the last two seasons becoming sort of frustrated with the WRs. Everyone talks of Eli Rogers and how we shouldn't count him out, but the guy is only 185 pounds or so and really is not going to get it done in terms of blocking or breaking tackles. I saw many times over the past two seasons the team getting Hayward-Bey on the field not just to throw a deep ball to him but to have him on the field as a more physical blocker in some formations. I remember Jericho Cotchery's last season yes he did have 10 TDs and Ben loved having a bigger WR to throw to, but he was also a very good blocker.

But the way the WR core was constructed the past two seasons it is like we telegraph everything. With JuJu, I think the Steelers saw a big bodied WR who could do it all, line up outside, inside, catch passes deep, catch short, has great hands, is physical and takes pride in his blocking. I don't think it is lip service that they might think of him as being able to play H-back or a receiving TE. Imagine he is out on the field as the slot WR but then he goes in motion and lines up on the opposite side of Jesse James at TE. Sure, having a 215 pound WR line up as a TE may seem crazy but I saw the Jets do it with Quincy Enunua, and JuJu is going to be more successful at it than Rogers who is 30 pounds lighter. And just as with Enunwa lining up at TE, it can give a favorable matchup that you can exploit if you decide to throw the ball. How many times have we seen the Steelers attempt to line up an ILB on a TE in coverage and fail at it?

Jesse James will get the lion's share of snaps at TE as the starter but then I think the 2nd TE snaps will be distributed between a combination of Grimble, and then JuJu and Rosie Nix stealing away snaps that might go traditionally to the 2nd TE. That might not be a bad way to go, it offers more diversity, and options.

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 Post subject: Re: Can Xavier Grimble play a bigger role?
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I lthink Xavier is a dark horse in the TE situation


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Grimble preparing like his role will increase.

http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2017/0 ... -workouts/


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The reason I was so sure the Steelers would not draft a tight end was the play of Xavier Grimble.

I will keep it short and sweet. Grimble will be the Steelers starting tight end by Oct.

He is a far better blocker than James

The Steelers passing game will be built around the Wr's and Bell.

The tight end position is 96% blocking in Haley's offense...If they are forced to they can play the 3rd tackle there

So will the Steelers tight ends play a bigger role. Nope

Reason why...Its a meaningless position in this offense.

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FC wrote:
The reason I was so sure the Steelers would not draft a tight end was the play of Xavier Grimble.

I will keep it short and sweet. Grimble will be the Steelers starting tight end by Oct.

He is a far better blocker than James

The Steelers passing game will be built around the Wr's and Bell.

The tight end position is 96% blocking in Haley's offense...If they are forced to they can play the 3rd tackle there

So will the Steelers tight ends play a bigger role. Nope

Reason why...Its a meaningless position in this offense.


Interesting points, I can't argue with any of them. The question begs why did they sign Green to decent contract? Do you think Green was a good blocker or was he meant to replace Bryant as a hybird WR/TE?


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FC wrote:
The reason I was so sure the Steelers would not draft a tight end was the play of Xavier Grimble.

I will keep it short and sweet. Grimble will be the Steelers starting tight end by Oct.

He is a far better blocker than James

The Steelers passing game will be built around the Wr's and Bell.

The tight end position is 96% blocking in Haley's offense...If they are forced to they can play the 3rd tackle there

So will the Steelers tight ends play a bigger role. Nope

Reason why...Its a meaningless position in this offense.

I agree with all of that, and it's why the red zone offense struggles. Maybe Juju and Bryant will offset that soemwhat.

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