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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:25 am 
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BarryFoster wrote:
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That’s a good one....


Holy shit ...... just more fact logs on the fire. It comes down to how much us consumers of this “entertainment” we are going to accept. Or, turn it off forever

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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:42 am 
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Assuming we win today....and I hate to say it, I'm finding it a little hard to get up for this Divisional Playoff game, focusing instead on the matchup in Foxboro...I'm sure we'll wait with bated breath for the assignment of the lead official.

I'm not going to be looking in the rear-view mirror though, as last game convinced me that we can get fucked just as easily in our own house as we can in Foxboro....whether it's over-officiousness in the biggest of spots, or holding calls that derail 4Q drives.

We just have to beat these fuckers so convincingly that it overcomes any officiating bias....and I believe we have just the team to do it.

We get buy today, and I'm believing that Mike Tomlin will have this team absolutely at their best next Sunday.


God I hope you’re right

I can’t take much more of this bullshit

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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:49 am 
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
So anyone got a story - script for the latest NFL upcoming games

Titans were just prevented from being competitive in a game

After Ten got the lead, that officiating crew did get surgical

It coincided with tenn losing their oline man too....just a litany of corruption

Black Sox World Series like collusion


If you are holding with the script, the Steelers will get the calls today. The NFL wants Steelers vs Pats.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:52 am 
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
So anyone got a story - script for the latest NFL upcoming games

Titans were just prevented from being competitive in a game

After Ten got the lead, that officiating crew did get surgical

It coincided with tenn losing their oline man too....just a litany of corruption

Black Sox World Series like collusion


If you are holding with the script, the Steelers will get the calls today. The NFL wants Steelers vs Pats.


I totally believe that

And then they want Pats back in SB

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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
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What I don’t understand is why no journalist digs into the issue. I’m sure you can mathematically prove the Pats are extreme outliers when it comes to refs. Then, just some study of tape would prove it’s not because they are just that much more disciplined.

The real answer is simplify the rules. Remove automatic first down penalties. Allow illegal contact. Limit review to thirty seconds. Hire new refs.


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Zeke5123 wrote:
What I don’t understand is why no journalist digs into the issue. I’m sure you can mathematically prove the Pats are extreme outliers when it comes to refs. Then, just some study of tape would prove it’s not because they are just that much more disciplined.

The real answer is simplify the rules. Remove automatic first down penalties. Allow illegal contact. Limit review to thirty seconds. Hire new refs.


I've been saying that for years. No such rule in the college game. The rule fucks with the natural order of the game. You contact the receiver like that, you take the risk of being burned deep....should NEVER have been legislated out.

One would think that the Competition Committee should understand that one of their priorities should be LESS penalty flags, not more...infuse more spontaneity into the game for its fans, etc.

While they're at it, get rid of penalties for...
*Taunting
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:43 am 
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swissvale72 wrote:
Zeke5123 wrote:
What I don’t understand is why no journalist digs into the issue. I’m sure you can mathematically prove the Pats are extreme outliers when it comes to refs. Then, just some study of tape would prove it’s not because they are just that much more disciplined.

The real answer is simplify the rules. Remove automatic first down penalties. Allow illegal contact. Limit review to thirty seconds. Hire new refs.


I've been saying that for years. No such rule in the college game. The rule fucks with the natural order of the game. You contact the receiver like that, you take the risk of being burned deep....should NEVER have been legislated out.

One would think that the Competition Committee should understand that one of their priorities should be LESS penalty flags, not more...infuse more spontaneity into the game for its fans, etc.

While they're at it, get rid of penalties for...
*Taunting
*Hands to the face


Good call re hands to the face. Swear to god 95% percent of the time that penalty has zero impact on play but it’s an automatic first down. Less penalties equal better flow and a more even game.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:08 am 
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Hands to the face in a pass defense is not illegal any more. hands to the face where a lineman ( either defense or offense) pushes the head back of an opponent is illegal.

Illegal contact is the Blount rule. When the NFL gets tired of offense they can repeal that.

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The history of corruption seldom changes whether it's the corruption of a government a labor union a corporation and now a sports League. It starts localized it spreads and then becomes endemic. The Patriots started with the taping of signals, defensive end Hollis Thomas for Philadelphia said after the 2005 Super Bowl that his team got fucking robbed and everybody on the Philadelphia organization knew it. They were kicking New England's ass in the first half and in the second half when New England came back they knew precisely when the Eagles were going to Blitz and they capitalized on every play, every play. With money as the source their corruption has spread and reached the highest levels within the league. Their data base has been perfected and its not that they've got the league in their pocket, they are the league because of Goodell they are one and the same. The other owners are powerless because they have participated in the fraud and corruption including the tax fraud schemes. If the other owners open their mouths and expose the corruption they too will go down with the rest of the league. This is the brilliant and normal pattern of corruption becoming endemic, the corrupt party has leverage on everyone. When the corruption becomes endemic the corrupt entity does not care who sees it and who knows about it because nothing can be done.

Almost nothing.

The objective now is for the Patriots to win number 6 and number 7 and be the preeminent football team in NFL history. This is why Brady says he loves being in Heinz Field, he knows the Steelers are the last hurdle to having a bigger and better trophy case. The only way I can see us winning in New England is if we take Brady out, a violation of the most sacred unwritten rule in the league. No coach in football would sanction or allow it, except maybe Tomlin. Mike is certainly a different breed of cat his comments a week or 10 days ago wherein he referenced entertainment as the objective of the league has enormous interpretation value. He once stood in the path of the Baltimore returner who was scampering down the sidelines for a touchdown. Rule of retaliation would apply if we took out Brady they'll come and try to take out Ben. If we're prepared we can protect Ben and withstand it.

We have a battle today and my guess is Jax will attempt today what we have to do next week. They're coming for Ben. If we're not hungry and crazed and fail to protect Ben we could lose today. Fitz in the backfield is an indicator of understanding Jax's intention


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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
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ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
All of those calls at key moments of the game. The Titans were simply denied any chance of momentum in that second qtr... and that really put them behind the black ball for the rest of the game.

It was a surgical job done by the officials.. they grouped together 3 or 4 really bad/missed calls that essentially led to a 21 point stretch for the Patriots.

exactly right!!! well put.. the flags broke momentum everytime..and gave pats mo...then it didn't matter..pats were better team. tits had to be perfect and play great. the refs ended that early. pats didn't need help to win; they got it anyhow.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
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BarryFoster wrote:
https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/201081-ron-torbert-the-head-ref-in-the-titans-vs-pats-game/

That’s a good one....

wow..thats bullshit..that should be illegal for any ref..this bias shit needs investigated.. wwe doesn't say their shits real. they say its entertainment. we exspect sports to be honest results from athletic competition..not cheating and shadiness. maybe fans need to picket the pats games or players knell for this shit!!


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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
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BarryFoster wrote:
https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/201081-ron-torbert-the-head-ref-in-the-titans-vs-pats-game/

That’s a good one....


Wow....that's bad. Like really bad. I'm not big on conspiracy theories but this type of conflict of interest should be avoided at all costs. No way in hell he should be allowed to ref Patriots games.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
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BarryFoster wrote:
https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/201081-ron-torbert-the-head-ref-in-the-titans-vs-pats-game/

That’s a good one....


Wow....that's bad. Like really bad. I'm not big on conspiracy theories but this type of conflict of interest should be avoided at all costs. No way in hell he should be allowed to ref Patriots games.


Why is attention not brought to this? I honestly can’t take this shit anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:09 pm 
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Now that I’ve finally seen the plays in question, the only thing that sticks out as suspicious is the extra long final second.

Sorry, but the neutral zone infraction on the punt, as oddly as it was called, was the correct call. The defense jumped first, then the guard moved. Only thing is whether the long snapper’s head bob could have been called...but head bobs don’t seem to be called.

And Decker most definitely pushed off on the OPI.

I hate the Patriots, and I know they get calls, but these calls were nowhere near as controversial as you all were making them out to be last night.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
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So you've seen that happen?

When a ref calls a false start only to reverse it a considerable (relative) time later and give a first down? Without advantage of replay? What changed his mind? I also think they moved simultaneously but won't argue who moved first, not worth going back to look at play.

OPI: Decker was on LOS. I'm unclear of rule, Romo was pretty clear it's not a penalty...I grant that he could be wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
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Miter Saw wrote:
So you've seen that happen?

When a ref calls a false start only to reverse it a considerable (relative) time later and give a first down? Without advantage of replay? What changed his mind? I also think they moved simultaneously but won't argue who moved first, not worth going back to look at play.

OPI: Decker was on LOS. I'm unclear of rule, Romo was pretty clear it's not a penalty...I grant that he could be wrong.


I’ve never seen it happen before but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t the right thing to do. Torbert is right that the guy who called it a false start was nowhere near in the proper position to do so....he was way behind the play.

And I don’t think being on the LOS means you are allowed to push off to gain separation.

In any event, nothing I saw last night leads me to suspect a huge conspiracy or a “surgical officiating strike” to hand the game to New England.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
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The way the game was officiated made the titans play hesitant. Pats took advantage. Gronk pushes off on almost every play, and plays weren't called consistently on both teams. This is not news. It's an easy way to hamstring the opponent.

Remember when the steelers were constantly called for unnecessary roughness or hits to the head? The defense folded for fear of getting penalized again. It castrated them. The Tits folded because they had no calls going their way.

I also don't agree the neutral zone infraction was the correct call. Even if they both jerked, the defense is allowed to. What about the illegal formation? Or the facemask not called? All those add up to an emotional edge and momentum to the Pats.

At the same time, Lebeau made the same mistakes, and Mularky didn't play to win, but played safe. They simply gave up either because of the inconsistent officiating or because they thought they didn't stand a chance to win after the first half debacle.

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Belichick's attention to detail though....

https://nesn.com/2018/01/how-patriots-o ... t-penalty/


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Belichick's attention to detail though....

https://nesn.com/2018/01/how-patriots-o ... t-penalty/
The defender only entered the neutral zone after the guard moved the second time. After the center's head bob. At least that's what it looked like to me, but I ain't no expert.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL fans on refs last night
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Belichick's attention to detail though....

https://nesn.com/2018/01/how-patriots-o ... t-penalty/
The defender only entered the neutral zone after the guard moved the second time. After the center's head bob. At least that's what it looked like to me, but I ain't no expert.


I need clarification on the center’s head bob- that was the only part that looked suspicious to me.

But head bobs on the O-line like that have been going on for years and are never called on any team...not sure why not. I mean, the center’s head bobbed up exactly like it would if he had snapped the ball and was now looking up to see who to block. It shouldn’t be legal, but apparently it is.

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