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 Post subject: Re: Round the League (only stuff we give a shit about)
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:52 pm 
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Peters was a moron at UW. None of that surprises me.

I’d take him


I live in KC, you aren't paying attention. He tackles like a 78 year old woman with polio and he is a stupid fuck. Other than that, I agree with you.


I agree KCSteeler, he has that Deangelo Hall tackling syndrome - all he wants to do is try and strip the ball out, not actually tackle/hit someone. He also gets burnt pretty regularly, not that Artie hasn't recently. He's a hot-head, rogue DB imo, but Peters does get pics and PDs though, I'll give him that. I will say, his first year he was on good behavior it seemed, but now his true colors are showing. Maybe he should play for Cincy, would fit right in there, imo.


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Eric Berry covered for a lot of Peters' gambling. And Peters is leading the NFL in penalty yards, fwiw.

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 Post subject: Re: Round the League (only stuff we give a shit about)
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Rooting for injuries may be SBI, but it's not a Steelers Fan's Best Interest.


I guess it depends on the respective fan, Lit. Agreed?


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steelers just have to win the big game in Jan vs this pats


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Rooting for injuries may be SBI, but it's not a Steelers Fan's Best Interest.


I guess it depends on the respective fan, Lit. Agreed?


An argument for consideration that (tries to) avoids appealing to subjectivity.

The win is of objectively higher quality if the competition is objectively better.

Hence, beating teams playing at full strength are more quality wins.

Perhaps you only care about quantity of wins rather than quality.

But I would argue in terms of pleasure as well. The higher the quality, the higher the pleasure in the win.

There is a reason why beating the Pats would feel better than beating the Browns.

So in terms of quality and pleasure, your version of SBI possibly seeks the lesser good except in terms of quantity.

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Peters was a moron at UW. None of that surprises me.[/quote]
I’d take him[/quote]

I live in KC, you aren't paying attention. He tackles like a 78 year old woman with polio and he is a stupid fuck. Other than that, I agree with you.[/quote]

I agree KCSteeler, he has that Deangelo Hall tackling syndrome - all he wants to do is try and strip the ball out, not actually tackle/hit someone. He also gets burnt pretty regularly, not that Artie hasn't recently. He's a hot-head, rogue DB imo, but Peters does get pics and PDs though, I'll give him that. I will say, his first year he was on good behavior it seemed, but now his true colors are showing. Maybe he should play for Cincy, would fit right in there, imo.[/quote]



I agree with you completely. Here is another one for you, he is definitely a total douche. He is one of the few Chiefs players that has kneeled during the anthem citing racial issues and dirty cops. The local chief of police has reached out to Peters on three separate occasions to meet, to discuss issues in the city and figure out a way for the two of them to work together as leaders in the community. Peters ignored each call and has made no effort to get in touch with him. That tells me a lot about how important this issue is to him. He’s a selfish punk, I want no part of him in black and gold.

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 Post subject: Re: Round the League (only stuff we give a shit about)
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Still Lit wrote:
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Rooting for injuries may be SBI, but it's not a Steelers Fan's Best Interest.


I guess it depends on the respective fan, Lit. Agreed?


An argument for consideration that (tries to) avoids appealing to subjectivity.

The win is of objectively higher quality if the competition is objectively better.

Hence, beating teams playing at full strength are more quality wins.

Perhaps you only care about quantity of wins rather than quality.

But I would argue in terms of pleasure as well. The higher the quality, the higher the pleasure in the win.

There is a reason why beating the Pats would feel better than beating the Browns.

So in terms of quality and pleasure, your version of SBI possibly seeks the lesser good except in terms of quantity.


I would argue that in terms of beating the Patriots, the ONLY relevant issue is one of quantity. If the quantity is one Steelers win, will be quite pleasurable. If the quantity is zero Steeler wins, will be a distinct absence of pleasure.

It's no more complicated than that, Lit.


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 Post subject: Re: Round the League (only stuff we give a shit about)
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Those who pursue pleasures of higher quality are subject to disappointments of a greater extent.

Comes down to it, I'm a man of quality.

But I think objectively the win means more if the opposing team is at full strength. I couldn't help but notice that you did not dispute that point.

Seems to me that your SBI does indeed seek a lower quality pleasure for the fan.

My aim as a fan is not to avoid pain. Bring on the Pats full strength.

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 Post subject: Re: Round the League (only stuff we give a shit about)
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Still Lit wrote:
Those who pursue pleasures of higher quality are subject to disappointments of a greater extent.

Comes down to it, I'm a man of quality.

But I think objectively the win means more if the opposing team is at full strength. I couldn't help but notice that you did not dispute that point.

Seems to me that your SBI does indeed seek a lower quality pleasure for the fan.

My aim as a fan is not to avoid pain. Bring on the Pats full strength.


I actually do dispute the point. Never heard any of the '76 Raiders suggesting their AFCCG win over the Steelers was somehow less fulfilling because Franco and Rocky didn't play.

I will cede, as I suggested earlier, that it depends on the fan. Some fans are bothered by others suggesting that their team's win meant less due to injuries to the opposition. Not me.


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swissvale72 wrote:
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Those who pursue pleasures of higher quality are subject to disappointments of a greater extent.

Comes down to it, I'm a man of quality.

But I think objectively the win means more if the opposing team is at full strength. I couldn't help but notice that you did not dispute that point.

Seems to me that your SBI does indeed seek a lower quality pleasure for the fan.

My aim as a fan is not to avoid pain. Bring on the Pats full strength.


I actually do dispute the point. Never heard any of the '76 Raiders suggesting their AFCCG win over the Steelers was somehow less fulfilling because Franco and Rocky didn't play.

I will cede, as I suggested earlier, that it depends on the fan. Some fans are bothered by others suggesting that their team's win meant less due to injuries to the opposition. Not me.


Ok, what's your dispute? A win against players of better quality is a better quality win. What are you disputing about that?

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I'm not concerned about the quality of the win. That's my dispute.


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 Post subject: Re: Round the League (only stuff we give a shit about)
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swissvale72 wrote:
I'm not concerned about the quality of the win. That's my dispute.


That's not a rebuttal: it's a preference.

I'll say it again: your SBI seeks a lower pleasure for the fan.

Show me why I'm wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Round the League (only stuff we give a shit about)
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Still Lit wrote:
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I'm not concerned about the quality of the win. That's my dispute.


That's not a rebuttal: it's a preference.

I'll say it again: your SBI seeks a lower pleasure for the fan.

Show me why I'm wrong.


Show me where you're right.

You're suggesting that you will enjoy a Steelers win against the Patriots MORE if Gronk plays than I will if he doesn't. Good luck proving that!!

Also....I'll buy that YOU would enjoy a win if Gronk is in more than YOU would enjoy the win if he is not. ME? I'll enjoy either scenario equally.

Gets back to my saying it depends upon the respective fan.


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I actually gave TWO arguments.

One based in pleasure, one based on quality of win. So I did show you. Explain why I'm wrong, Swiss.

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Still Lit wrote:
I actually gave TWO arguments.

One based in pleasure, one based on quality of win. So I did show you. Explain why I'm wrong, Swiss.


YOU need to explain why you're right, Lit. Any good philosopher knows that.


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swissvale72 wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
I actually gave TWO arguments.

One based in pleasure, one based on quality of win. So I did show you. Explain why I'm wrong, Swiss.


YOU need to explain why you're right, Lit. Any good philosopher knows that.


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An argument for consideration that (tries to) avoids appealing to subjectivity.

The win is of objectively higher quality if the competition is objectively better.

Hence, beating teams playing at full strength are more quality wins.

Perhaps you only care about quantity of wins rather than quality.

But I would argue in terms of pleasure as well. The higher the quality, the higher the pleasure in the win.

There is a reason why beating the Pats would feel better than beating the Browns.

So in terms of quality and pleasure, your version of SBI possibly seeks the lesser good except in terms of quantity.


Ask whatever you wish. I have given you an argument already.

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swissvale72 wrote:
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I'm not concerned about the quality of the win. That's my dispute.


That's not a rebuttal: it's a preference.

I'll say it again: your SBI seeks a lower pleasure for the fan.

Show me why I'm wrong.


Show me where you're right.

You're suggesting that you will enjoy a Steelers win against the Patriots MORE if Gronk plays than I will if he doesn't. Good luck proving that!!

Also....I'll buy that YOU would enjoy a win if Gronk is in more than YOU would enjoy the win if he is not. ME? I'll enjoy either scenario equally.

Gets back to my saying it depends upon the respective fan.


I enjoyed the Steelers’ win in 2011 over the Pats far more than the win over the Pats in 2008, even though the win in 2008 was a romp and the win in 2011 was only by 7 points.

Because in 2011, they had the personnel and the smarts to match up against the Pats’ full arsenal, on both sides of the ball.

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I enjoyed the Steelers’ win in 2011 over the Pats far more than the win over the Pats in 2008, even though the win in 2008 was a romp and the win in 2011 was only by 7 points.

Because in 2011, they had the personnel and the smarts to match up against the Pats’ full arsenal, on both sides of the ball.


Of course you did. Because it is obvious that wins against better talent are higher quality wins. So, naturally, you got more pleasure out of that win.

Which is why the injury position adopted by Swiss strikes me as deficient with regard to quality and pleasure. It's seems just about quantity of wins.

Now Swiss wants to argue that it is all about fan perspective. But at least in terms of the quality of the win, I think that it is objectively and not subjectively false.

Swiss mentioned "more fulfilling." Meh. Talking about quality of the win. But I do think my point about the correlation of pleasure to quality is valid.

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Still Lit wrote:
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I enjoyed the Steelers’ win in 2011 over the Pats far more than the win over the Pats in 2008, even though the win in 2008 was a romp and the win in 2011 was only by 7 points.

Because in 2011, they had the personnel and the smarts to match up against the Pats’ full arsenal, on both sides of the ball.


Of course you did. Because it is obvious that wins against better talent are higher quality wins. So, naturally, you got more pleasure out of that win.

Which is why the injury position adopted by Swiss strikes me as deficient with regard to quality and pleasure. It's seems just about quantity of wins.

Now Swiss wants to argue that it is all about fan perspective. But at least in terms of the quality of the win, I think that it is objectively and not subjectively false.

Swiss mentioned "more fulfilling." Meh. Talking about quality of the win. But I do think my point about the correlation of pleasure to quality is valid.



My Take.. I don't give a fuck who plays what games.. as long as we hoist number 7 I gives a rats ass..


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My Take.. I don't give a fuck who plays what games.. as long as we hoist number 7 I gives a rats ass..


I think this is Swiss' positions as well. It does not, however, at all address whether my statements about quality and the relation of pleasure to quality are true or plausible.

Not caring does not affect quality of opponent and the necessarily related quality of the win.

Nor does not caring speak to or against the amount of pleasure produced relative to the quality of a win.

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