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Good post Chicago. You have a way with words. "If they could fleece an orphan, they would" cracked me up.


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Jerry Jones is threatening to sue NFL owners including Art over a five year extension for Goofdell. Jones wants him out. Sour grapes over Elliott? Go Jer.


What sour grapes?

The dude still hasn't sat out a fucking game.

Not sure what sport is more of a mess right now - NFL or College Basketball


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If this were the long snapper for the Cowboys no one would care. Not the NFLPA nor Jones He was quite happy to throw Kraft under the bus when Brady got suspended. Now he is throwing his temper tantrum about his player. The other Owners, who pressured Goodell to step on Brady will do the same for Elliot.

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Goodell's salaries are obscene - he averages like $30M a year. That's more than most F500 CEO's, who have MUCH larger companies and revenues, and most of the NFL money comes from a handful of tv contracts.

Granted, that's nothing to the owners and the NFL is privately "owned", but I think you could get a lot better for 1/3 the price.


His salary is not obscene. The NFL's TV current contract for 2014-2022 is $39.6 billion dollars.

That's about $155 million per year per team JUST from television rights.

Factor in the additional money the NFL makes from merchandise, stadium revenues, co-branding, weasling out of CTE lawsuits and god knows what else....and considering as a private corporation the NFL has no stockholder overhead....and suddenly $30 million becomes chump change for a puppet CEO.


The fat cats have been otherwise pleased with Goodell. If they weren't, he'd already be gone. To them, $30 million IS cheap. Cutting Roger's salary by $20 million translates to only $625,000 in savings annually per team. Shit...they make more in nacho sales alone.

I never understood these arguments against Goodell. Most owners aren't the nicest men in the world...if they could fleece an orphan, they would. They pay Goodell what they think is reasonable. No one can twist their arm. There is no one to attack or defend. Their world is beyond our reckoning.

For all of Goodell's failings, I still can't side with that whiny douchebag Jerrah or anyone or anything related to the Cowgirls. Old hatreds must remain cultivated...


Compliments on a post of truly enlightened perspective.


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My problem with Goodell isn’t what he makes.

My problem is how inconsistent his punishments are and the lack of due process.


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ChicagoSteel wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Goodell's salaries are obscene - he averages like $30M a year. That's more than most F500 CEO's, who have MUCH larger companies and revenues, and most of the NFL money comes from a handful of tv contracts.

Granted, that's nothing to the owners and the NFL is privately "owned", but I think you could get a lot better for 1/3 the price.


His salary is not obscene. The NFL's TV current contract for 2014-2022 is $39.6 billion dollars.

That's about $155 million per year per team JUST from television rights.

Factor in the additional money the NFL makes from merchandise, stadium revenues, co-branding, weasling out of CTE lawsuits and god knows what else....and considering as a private corporation the NFL has no stockholder overhead....and suddenly $30 million becomes chump change for a puppet CEO.

The fat cats have been otherwise pleased with Goodell. If they weren't, he'd already be gone. To them, $30 million IS cheap. Cutting Roger's salary by $20 million translates to only $625,000 in savings annually per team. Shit...they make more in nacho sales alone.

I never understood these arguments against Goodell. Most owners aren't the nicest men in the world...if they could fleece an orphan, they would. They pay Goodell what they think is reasonable. No one can twist their arm. There is no one to attack or defend. Their world is beyond our reckoning.

For all of Goodell's failings, I still can't side with that whiny douchebag Jerrah or anyone or anything related to the Cowgirls. Old hatreds must remain cultivated...


Outstanding post

Goodell isn't a bad guy, I think anyone of us would be happy to do the same job for $30M. He's got 30 shareholders to answer to and for the most part he's pleased all of them.


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OK, hang on. Fuck Jerry Jones, and fuck most of these owners.

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/21342623/jerry-jones-dallas-cowboys-threatens-sue-nfl-roger-goodell
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Through this season, Jones has expressed growing dissatisfaction with Goodell's job performance and has said in recent weeks that the league needs to hire a new commissioner, sources said. The reasons include Goodell's handling of the player protests staged during the national anthem; the league's pending six-game suspension of Cowboys star running back Ezekiel Elliott for violation of the league's personal conduct policy; and the league's handling of the relocation of two teams to Los Angeles, which Jones helped engineer.

Many owners are also angry with Goodell because they believe that he has given Jones too much power

So Jones is pissed about the LA relocations.....even though he was a driving force behind these moves

Jones was perfectly fine with granting Goodell unchecked disciplinary power back in 2011 - only now that it's bit him in the ass he's pissed?

I am in no way a fan of Roger Goodell, but Jerruh has his fingerprints all over these problems he wants to file a lawsuit over.

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OK, hang on. Fuck Jerry Jones, and fuck most of these owners.

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/21342623/jerry-jones-dallas-cowboys-threatens-sue-nfl-roger-goodell
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Through this season, Jones has expressed growing dissatisfaction with Goodell's job performance and has said in recent weeks that the league needs to hire a new commissioner, sources said. The reasons include Goodell's handling of the player protests staged during the national anthem; the league's pending six-game suspension of Cowboys star running back Ezekiel Elliott for violation of the league's personal conduct policy; and the league's handling of the relocation of two teams to Los Angeles, which Jones helped engineer.

Many owners are also angry with Goodell because they believe that he has given Jones too much power

So Jones is pissed about the LA relocations.....even though he was a driving force behind these moves

Jones was perfectly fine with granting Goodell unchecked disciplinary power back in 2011 - only now that it's bit him in the ass he's pissed?

I am in no way a fan of Roger Goodell, but Jerruh has his fingerprints all over these problems he wants to file a lawsuit over.

This is where I am - definitely not a fan of Goodell but he is simply the "Bad Cop" face of the NFL and for that he gets paid handsomely. Jones though is a duplicitous Jagoff who acts like a spoiled elementary schooler. When things go his way he is fine and votes to have the compensation committee extend Roger's contract but suspend one of his top weapons and suddenly he wants the Commissioner removed. :roll:

Here's another good article discussing how things got to this point.......and it shows Jones for what he really is

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/08/jerry ... 17110912PM


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ChicagoSteel wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Goodell's salaries are obscene - he averages like $30M a year. That's more than most F500 CEO's, who have MUCH larger companies and revenues, and most of the NFL money comes from a handful of tv contracts.

Granted, that's nothing to the owners and the NFL is privately "owned", but I think you could get a lot better for 1/3 the price.


His salary is not obscene. The NFL's TV current contract for 2014-2022 is $39.6 billion dollars.

That's about $155 million per year per team JUST from television rights.

Factor in the additional money the NFL makes from merchandise, stadium revenues, co-branding, weasling out of CTE lawsuits and god knows what else....and considering as a private corporation the NFL has no stockholder overhead....and suddenly $30 million becomes chump change for a puppet CEO.

The fat cats have been otherwise pleased with Goodell. If they weren't, he'd already be gone. To them, $30 million IS cheap. Cutting Roger's salary by $20 million translates to only $625,000 in savings annually per team. Shit...they make more in nacho sales alone.

I never understood these arguments against Goodell. Most owners aren't the nicest men in the world...if they could fleece an orphan, they would. They pay Goodell what they think is reasonable. No one can twist their arm. There is no one to attack or defend. Their world is beyond our reckoning.

For all of Goodell's failings, I still can't side with that whiny douchebag Jerrah or anyone or anything related to the Cowgirls. Old hatreds must remain cultivated...


I work in the deal space. I routinely see complex deals in the 20billion dollar or more range. The revenue numbers you are talking about might seem high—they just aren’t. Goodell is getting comp neared like Tim Cook but the NFL is a fraction the size of Apple and a helluva lot less complex. They really should hire a better commissioner.


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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... owner-says

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Marc Ganis, a regular consultant to the National Football League’s 32 team owners, says the embattled Roger Goodell isn’t going anywhere.

Sometimes dubbed the NFL’s 33rd owner because of his ties to the sport’s power brokers, Ganis says Goodell’s job is safe, even as Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones tries block the approval of the commissioner’s contract extension.

“He is the best person to manage and run the National Football League ... going into the collective bargaining agreement and the new TV contract negotiations. Period. Full stop,” Ganis said on the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast. “The owners know how much value he has brought to them and to the league. He is going nowhere.”

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-09/goodell-will-survive-jerry-jones-attack-nfl-s-33rd-owner-says

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Marc Ganis, a regular consultant to the National Football League’s 32 team owners, says the embattled Roger Goodell isn’t going anywhere.

Sometimes dubbed the NFL’s 33rd owner because of his ties to the sport’s power brokers, Ganis says Goodell’s job is safe, even as Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones tries block the approval of the commissioner’s contract extension.

“He is the best person to manage and run the National Football League ... going into the collective bargaining agreement and the new TV contract negotiations. Period. Full stop,” Ganis said on the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast. “The owners know how much value he has brought to them and to the league. He is going nowhere.”


Shocked Ganis came up for air from sucking Rog's ginger cock to give this statement.

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My problem with Goodell isn’t what he makes.

My problem is how inconsistent his punishments are and the lack of due process.


Agreed. His salary is irrelevant. He comes across as disingenuous with a side of smarmy. I just think he’s a shitty commissioner.


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My problem with Goodell isn’t what he makes.

My problem is how inconsistent his punishments are and the lack of due process.


Agreed. His salary is irrelevant. He comes across as disingenuous with a side of smarmy. I just think he’s a shitty commissioner.


He has been and is a total FUCKING douchebag

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Jerrah is senile. All this nonsense proves it.

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......and we're back to suspension: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000874433/article/federal-court-denies-ezekiel-elliott-emergency-injunction

I did appreciate the fact that Zeke was able to play vs. the Chiefs.

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His salary is not obscene. The NFL's TV current contract for 2014-2022 is $39.6 billion dollars.

That's about $155 million per year per team JUST from television rights.

Factor in the additional money the NFL makes from merchandise, stadium revenues, co-branding, weasling out of CTE lawsuits and god knows what else....and considering as a private corporation the NFL has no stockholder overhead....and suddenly $30 million becomes chump change for a puppet CEO.


Yes he is grossly overpaid. First off, it's a bidding contest for television rights - so how much of that is Goodell really responsible for? I'm sure you could have easily brought in $30B in tv revenues. Some credit for sponsorships and merchandize which is a relatively tiny piece of the pie, but he doesn't do hardly anything as far as revenues at individual stadiums. LOL, the tv and CBA contracts are all done by lawyers - Goodell isn't sitting down at that table hammering it out.

Second, do you know how much money the average CEO of a $155M company makes? I do - $350k tops. Multiply that by 32 and what do you get - about $10M.

The NFL generates about $14B a year in revenues. Again, that's SMALL in comparison to most F500 companies, and most of those CEO's make less than $10M a year. But calling Goodell the CEO of 32 teams is a joke, more like the CEO of a small lobbying firm.

Like I said, if the NFL wants to pay it's commish $30M a year, they could be doing a hell of a lot better than Goodell. It's probably hush money to keep quiet about what he actually knows about CTE....pretty sure the previous commish got nowhere near this kind of money.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-09/goodell-will-survive-jerry-jones-attack-nfl-s-33rd-owner-says

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Marc Ganis, a regular consultant to the National Football League’s 32 team owners, says the embattled Roger Goodell isn’t going anywhere.

Sometimes dubbed the NFL’s 33rd owner because of his ties to the sport’s power brokers, Ganis says Goodell’s job is safe, even as Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones tries block the approval of the commissioner’s contract extension.

“He is the best person to manage and run the National Football League ... going into the collective bargaining agreement and the new TV contract negotiations. Period. Full stop,” Ganis said on the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast. “The owners know how much value he has brought to them and to the league. He is going nowhere.”


Shocked Ganis came up for air from sucking Rog's ginger cock to give this statement.

thanks for that visual, you bastard

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OK, hang on. Fuck Jerry Jones, and fuck most of these owners.

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/21342623/jerry-jones-dallas-cowboys-threatens-sue-nfl-roger-goodell
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Through this season, Jones has expressed growing dissatisfaction with Goodell's job performance and has said in recent weeks that the league needs to hire a new commissioner, sources said. The reasons include Goodell's handling of the player protests staged during the national anthem; the league's pending six-game suspension of Cowboys star running back Ezekiel Elliott for violation of the league's personal conduct policy; and the league's handling of the relocation of two teams to Los Angeles, which Jones helped engineer.

Many owners are also angry with Goodell because they believe that he has given Jones too much power

So Jones is pissed about the LA relocations.....even though he was a driving force behind these moves

Jones was perfectly fine with granting Goodell unchecked disciplinary power back in 2011 - only now that it's bit him in the ass he's pissed?

I am in no way a fan of Roger Goodell, but Jerruh has his fingerprints all over these problems he wants to file a lawsuit over.

This is where I am - definitely not a fan of Goodell but he is simply the "Bad Cop" face of the NFL and for that he gets paid handsomely. Jones though is a duplicitous Jagoff who acts like a spoiled elementary schooler. When things go his way he is fine and votes to have the compensation committee extend Roger's contract but suspend one of his top weapons and suddenly he wants the Commissioner removed. :roll:

Here's another good article discussing how things got to this point.......and it shows Jones for what he really is

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/08/jerry ... 17110912PM


I stay in the area and I can tell you that the only reason this is a story is because Jones is pissed on the suspension. I say screw 'em. When they were on the hunt for all Steelers and fines were flying around like confetti, his mouth was shut. When other teams suffered Goondell's arbitrary judgments, he was front and center on what a good job Goondell was doing. Now that the shoe is on the other foot all of a sudden he has a problem. He's upset because he feels his team has a legit shot @ a SB and this will derail their season.

So yeah he's a blowhard and I drink the tears of Jerrah and all Cowgirl fans and wish them more misery and mediocrity for many years to come.


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So yeah he's a blowhard and I drink the tears of Jerrah and all Cowgirl fans and wish them more misery and mediocrity for many years to come.


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We have zero control over what is decided. Fuck goofwell and jerrah...


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His salary is not obscene. The NFL's TV current contract for 2014-2022 is $39.6 billion dollars.

That's about $155 million per year per team JUST from television rights.

Factor in the additional money the NFL makes from merchandise, stadium revenues, co-branding, weasling out of CTE lawsuits and god knows what else....and considering as a private corporation the NFL has no stockholder overhead....and suddenly $30 million becomes chump change for a puppet CEO.

The fat cats have been otherwise pleased with Goodell. If they weren't, he'd already be gone. To them, $30 million IS cheap. Cutting Roger's salary by $20 million translates to only $625,000 in savings annually per team. Shit...they make more in nacho sales alone.

I never understood these arguments against Goodell. Most owners aren't the nicest men in the world...if they could fleece an orphan, they would. They pay Goodell what they think is reasonable. No one can twist their arm. There is no one to attack or defend. Their world is beyond our reckoning.

For all of Goodell's failings, I still can't side with that whiny douchebag Jerrah or anyone or anything related to the Cowgirls. Old hatreds must remain cultivated...


Fantastic post.

It's hard to talk about millions and billions to the general public because most do not have a frame of reference outside of thousands.

He is getting paid .000813% of the NFL's total revenues. Or he makes .81 cents for every $1000 the league earns. A night manager at a Shoney's making 45k at a 3 million revenue store makes a higher percentage of the revenues 1% before bonus.

If we are calling him the CEO of the league, in a real-world comparison CEOs, make between .1% to .4% of revenues so, he should be making between 36 and 147 million per year- so the owners are getting him at the extreme low end here- especially since he has grown the league to near oversaturation and gotten the owners a larger slice of the revenue pie. In any other CEO job, that performance would get you at least 100 million but because the league doesn't have stock options- due to their corporate status, it has to be "straight cash homie"- which goes back to the perception and frame of reference.

Regardless of what we think - he doesn't get paid by us or the players. Players and now the owners have to address his powers during the next CBA. What this Cowboys thing has shown me that the owners and the league are separate entities and how the owners make their money and govern their teams not expressly mentioned in the CBA is kind of a free for all. Meaning it looks like a RB with no real legal representation (outside of his agent) suddenly has resources (human and financial) to mount a pretty good legal defense effort?Sounds like the Pro Football version of the "booster club" to me. Saints players had trouble- they were on their own. Minnesota players on the sex boat had to settle that crap on their own. This guy comes in and is so lawyered up- I would love to see the T&E bill

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His salary is not obscene. The NFL's TV current contract for 2014-2022 is $39.6 billion dollars.

That's about $155 million per year per team JUST from television rights.

Factor in the additional money the NFL makes from merchandise, stadium revenues, co-branding, weasling out of CTE lawsuits and god knows what else....and considering as a private corporation the NFL has no stockholder overhead....and suddenly $30 million becomes chump change for a puppet CEO.

The fat cats have been otherwise pleased with Goodell. If they weren't, he'd already be gone. To them, $30 million IS cheap. Cutting Roger's salary by $20 million translates to only $625,000 in savings annually per team. Shit...they make more in nacho sales alone.

I never understood these arguments against Goodell. Most owners aren't the nicest men in the world...if they could fleece an orphan, they would. They pay Goodell what they think is reasonable. No one can twist their arm. There is no one to attack or defend. Their world is beyond our reckoning.

For all of Goodell's failings, I still can't side with that whiny douchebag Jerrah or anyone or anything related to the Cowgirls. Old hatreds must remain cultivated...


Fantastic post.

It's hard to talk about millions and billions to the general public because most do not have a frame of reference outside of thousands.

He is getting paid .000813% of the NFL's total revenues. Or he makes .81 cents for every $1000 the league earns. A night manager at a Shoney's making 45k at a 3 million revenue store makes a higher percentage of the revenues 1% before bonus.

If we are calling him the CEO of the league, in a real-world comparison CEOs, make between .1% to .4% of revenues so, he should be making between 36 and 147 million per year- so the owners are getting him at the extreme low end here- especially since he has grown the league to near oversaturation and gotten the owners a larger slice of the revenue pie. In any other CEO job, that performance would get you at least 100 million but because the league doesn't have stock options- due to their corporate status, it has to be "straight cash homie"- which goes back to the perception and frame of reference.

Regardless of what we think - he doesn't get paid by us or the players. Players and now the owners have to address his powers during the next CBA. What this Cowboys thing has shown me that the owners and the league are separate entities and how the owners make their money and govern their teams not expressly mentioned in the CBA is kind of a free for all. Meaning it looks like a RB with no real legal representation (outside of his agent) suddenly has resources (human and financial) to mount a pretty good legal defense effort?Sounds like the Pro Football version of the "booster club" to me. Saints players had trouble- they were on their own. Minnesota players on the sex boat had to settle that crap on their own. This guy comes in and is so lawyered up- I would love to see the T&E bill


Terrible post. Once again, Goodell is getting paid on par with a guy like Tim Cook. Apple complexity >>> NFL complexity. The funny thing is that it is your side being innumerate. The NFL just isn’t worth that much money. Probably a 50b-70b company. Large cap? Sure. But on the smaller side of things.


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......and we're back to suspension: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000874433/article/federal-court-denies-ezekiel-elliott-emergency-injunction

I did appreciate the fact that Zeke was able to play vs. the Chiefs.


Me, too!! That's about all I cared about.


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Goof wants 50m plus a jet for life.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is reportedly asking for a $49.5 million annual salary and a private jet for life in contract negotiations with league owners.

"That number for Roger just seems too much," an owner told ESPN's Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen. "It's offensive. It's unseemly."

Goodell's latest proposal also included lifetime health insurance for his family. His current deal includes compensation of roughly $30 million per year.

The league issued a statement Sunday to deny Schefter and Mortensen's report.

"The only element of the ESPN report that is true is that there is a regularly scheduled Compensation Committee conference call on Monday," NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart said, per Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk. "There is no basis in fact for any of the other reporting. Those trying to peddle that nonsense are profoundly misinformed or deliberately trying to mislead."


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In any negotiation, why would you not ask for totally outrageous stuff? They might give it to you.

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