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 Post subject: The Mothership is Afire
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In the continued saga of sticking up and shoving it up someone's ass

BSPN can't afford MNF anymore

Also heard another round of big layoffs due

Lost 15000 subscribers a day this month alone

Must be that jemele hill nonsense too

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/espn ... -football/

Someone leaked some really bad business prospects about how bad BSPN has failed

Yet another pigs get fat scenario

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Must be that jemele hill nonsense too



Really? Do people really care about stuff like that so much to alter their personal life? I figure both sides of the political spectrum are full of shit, left and right, I HATE BOTH SIDES, and nothing either side does effects what I do. Like I want to watch the Steelers on Sunday, so I watch, and I don't care if or how the stupid anthem "controversy" is resolved. How many of you have stopped watching Steelers games over the anthem? I need ESPN for some of the sports events I want to see, like Pitt Football next Thursday. I don't care if they are promoting Communism or Fascism, I need to get my entertainment.


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Really? Do people really care about stuff like that so much to alter their personal life?

Um.....yes. All people are doing is choosing to watch something else (or nothing at all). It's not like this is a major life altering decision. Regardless of anyone's opinion, roughly half the country doesn't agree with Jemele Hill's politics and they don't find her spiel 'entertaining'....so they tuned out.

More than politics, ESPN has just become a bore to watch. I have better things to do than watch a roundtable of dipshits debate about topics I could care less about. Seriously, why do they need 3 different debate shows in the afternoon? Why does every topic on Sportscenter need a discussion panel? PTI has been on the air for 16 years now....it's old and stale (and Tony Kornheiser (sp?) is really irritating). I still keep cable for live sporting events, South Park, History Channel, and the off chance I'll catch a movie or something. Once the major sports leagues start cutting out the middle man and go direct to consumers, my cable days are done.

As to your comment on anthem protests - no, it hasn't caused me to tune out of other NFL coverage. I tuned out a long time ago. For starters, the games have become way too drawn out with endless penalties, replays, and commercial breaks. The pregame/postgame shows are just awful. If I have a vested interest in the game, or if I have nothing better to do, I'll tune in. Otherwise, I don't really care. Still, alot of people are turned off by the anthem protest, and that's their right. Just because you don't care doesn't mean they shouldn't. Maybe they don't find it "entertaining"

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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
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Really? Do people really care about stuff like that so much to alter their personal life?

Um.....yes. All people are doing is choosing to watch something else (or nothing at all). It's not like this is a major life altering decision. Regardless of anyone's opinion, roughly half the country doesn't agree with Jemele Hill's politics and they don't find her spiel 'entertaining'....so they tuned out.

More than politics, ESPN has just become a bore to watch. I have better things to do than watch a roundtable of dipshits debate about topics I could care less about. Seriously, why do they need 3 different debate shows in the afternoon? Why does every topic on Sportscenter need a discussion panel? PTI has been on the air for 16 years now....it's old and stale (and Tony Kornheiser (sp?) is really irritating). I still keep cable for live sporting events, South Park, History Channel, and the off chance I'll catch a movie or something. Once the major sports leagues start cutting out the middle man and go direct to consumers, my cable days are done.

As to your comment on anthem protests - no, it hasn't caused me to tune out of other NFL coverage. I tuned out a long time ago. For starters, the games have become way too drawn out with endless penalties, replays, and commercial breaks. The pregame/postgame shows are just awful. If I have a vested interest in the game, or if I have nothing better to do, I'll tune in. Otherwise, I don't really care. Still, alot of people are turned off by the anthem protest, and that's their right. Just because you don't care doesn't mean they shouldn't. Maybe they don't find it "entertaining"
But what I find interesting is that the anthem is 3 minutes. If you skipped it you'd never know there were "protests." All this talk about it being "shoved down our throats" during games is bullshit. They don't talk about it for the entirety of the broadcast of the game. It became more of a deal when the idiot in chief politicized it. And then you have an article about sports entertainment tv channel's business and their content and marketing philosophy, and it becomes a liberal bashfest in the comment section. After the author labeled another outlet left wing garbage nobody wants to watch.

ESPN is losing ratings because content sucks. Sports reporting is becoming a grass roots, democratized endeavor. Individuals are throwing up sites with better content and analysis. The only think ESPN has is access to players. Once that is spread out they will be worthless. Social media will change that soon enough when players start to hold interviews on reddit, if their contracts allow it. Unless they improve content and stop using decades old philosophy of television sports entertainment, they will wither away and die. They are the same as inside edition or access hollywood.

But all the NFL did with penalties and the stoppage of play with replay was to increase advertising time to peddle beer, cars, and americana. Removing violence from the game and pushing the appearance of "fairness" is intent on attracting women and new viewers to increase their market. Along with UK games, and possible Mexico games. Football has been prostituted, and all everybody wants to do is increase the market and grab more of the pie. That's what capitalism does.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
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Football has been prostituted, and all everybody wants to do is increase the market and grab more of the pie. That's what capitalism does.

And as a result, the quality of the product has declined, viewers are tuning out, and advertisers are starting to pull back (Papa John's). This is likely to impact the NFL's bottom line. That's......also what capitalism does.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
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and all everybody wants to do is increase the market and grab more of the pie. That's what capitalism does.


And in your socialist utopia is it the tax payer that covers the cost of a sports league rather than the consumers of said product?


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and all everybody wants to do is increase the market and grab more of the pie. That's what capitalism does.


And in your socialist utopia is it the tax payer that covers the cost of a sports league rather than the consumers of said product?
I know I'm going to regret this, but you don't know shit about me or what ideology I hold. I never said I'm a socialist. I've never announced that I am a proponent of socialism, or any one of the other false assumptions you've made about me. You get triggered, acting like a snowflake when someone criticizes something you hold so dear, so you construct straw men filled with cliche's, stereotypes, and right wing talking points, and then feel good about yourself when tearing them down. Where did I say tax payers should cover the cost of a sports league? But I shouldn't be surprised in this age of binary choices (stand for the flag and be patriotic or kneel and be a traitor), that you would make stupid assumptions. This is why we are where we are politically inside the beltway and in public discourse.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
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That was a bunch of hot air Cor-Ten. You have been running around bashing capitalism like it stole your one and only girlfriend or something since you began frequenting this site.

You go out of your way to ad an anti-capitalist rant even when it’s not the topic of discussion. That’s the irritating part. I don’t get “triggered”. What I get is an opportunity to call you on things.

And while there are various & different types of economic subsets, the main two economic types are capitalism & socialism.

So if you hate one, it leads to one assuming you prefer the other.

The topic here is the declining quality of BSPN’s product and like clockwork here you are using as yet another excuse to get a dig at capitalism.

Capiatalism isn’t perfect. No system is. Nor do I “hold it dear”. But show me a successful socialist that isn’t part of the government mechanism.


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Funny, someone here was telling me just the other day BSPN was doing fine....I think it was Corten.

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It is more about the cable cutters and the cost of ESPN as it adds to everything. I would also think it is them going to a personality base than a news base. More booya and catch phrases than reporting the news.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
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Funny, someone here was telling me just the other day BSPN was doing fine....I think it was Corten.
That's a bald face lie.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
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It's a good thing Kodiak and 955876 will be dead when the federal law mandating a universal income is passed after the robots have replaced most human labor within the next 100 years.

Some of you think the Wealth of Nations and the Communist Manifesto are the polar documents of modernity. You're wrong. The real document of modernity is Descartes' Discourse. The goal of modernity is not to make money. The goal of modernity is to master and control nature for human benefit and, as Descartes puts it, free us up to do as we wish. If we think dishwashers and agricultural technology afforded us more leisure, we ain't seen nothing yet.

Capitalism vs Socialism is moot.

Automation is rapidly expanding. AI is coming. There will not be enough jobs to go around. Universal income is coming. Even the financial analyst will go by wayside when the algorithms and AI advance far enough.

Work has defined who we are in the West since the collapse of feudalism. That era is on the verge of ending.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
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Still Lit wrote:
It's a good thing Kodiak and 955876 will be dead when the federal law mandating a universal income is passed after the robots have replaced most human labor within the next 100 years.

Some of you think the Wealth of Nations and the Communist Manifesto are the polar documents of modernity. You're wrong. The real document of modernity is Descartes' Discourse. The goal of modernity is not to make money. The goal of modernity is to master and control nature for human benefit and, as Descartes puts it, free us up to do as we wish. If we think dishwashers and agricultural technology afforded us more leisure, we ain't seen nothing yet.

Capitalism vs Socialism is moot.

Automation is rapidly expanding. AI is coming. There will not be enough jobs to go around. Universal income is coming. Even the financial analyst will go by wayside when the algorithms and AI advance far enough.

Work has defined who we are in the West since the collapse of feudalism. That era is on the verge of ending.


Nice Story...lol.. I cant wait to lounge around in my Den and have some AI sucking my schlong all day and have every worry washed away...

I do believe that technology will help and things will get easier.. however AI is not going to take over and do every job..

There will be wars, Plauge or something that fucks us up long before we have a hottie AI taking care of our every need..

and do you really beleive that there will be a world paycheck equal for everyone.. ya ok.. Just look at how just our goverment works.. hell they cant even get the VA right for our vets.. do you think they can run this without corruption..


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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
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It's a good thing Kodiak and 955876 will be dead when the federal law mandating a universal income is passed after the robots have replaced most human labor within the next 100 years.

Some of you think the Wealth of Nations and the Communist Manifesto are the polar documents of modernity. You're wrong. The real document of modernity is Descartes' Discourse. The goal of modernity is not to make money. The goal of modernity is to master and control nature for human benefit and, as Descartes puts it, free us up to do as we wish. If we think dishwashers and agricultural technology afforded us more leisure, we ain't seen nothing yet.

Capitalism vs Socialism is moot.

Automation is rapidly expanding. AI is coming. There will not be enough jobs to go around. Universal income is coming. Even the financial analyst will go by wayside when the algorithms and AI advance far enough.

Work has defined who we are in the West since the collapse of feudalism. That era is on the verge of ending.


Nice Story...lol.. I cant wait to lounge around in my Den and have some AI sucking my schlong all day and have every worry washed away...

I do believe that technology will help and things will get easier.. however AI is not going to take over and do every job..

There will be wars, Plauge or something that fucks us up long before we have a hottie AI taking care of our every need..

and do you really beleive that there will be a world paycheck equal for everyone.. ya ok.. Just look at how just our goverment works.. hell they cant even get the VA right for our vets.. do you think they can run this without corruption..


(1) You're old. You'll be dead. So you'll have to continue to suck your own dick for now. Sorry.
(2) We are probably a 100 years away. If it is longer, whatever. It's coming.
(3) A universal basic income will be necessary if there are not enough jobs to go around, which pervasive automation will likely bring to pass. All low skill jobs are going to go to robots. Have a gander: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2 ... /88066514/
High skill jobs that involve the use of algorithms will no doubt eventually be run by computer programs.
I did not say all jobs would go away. But enough will go away that there will be people without work.
(4) Most of silicon valley supposes UBI (universal basic income) is going to be necessary. They pimp this primarily as PR to reduce fear about the expansion of automation.
(5) You possibly presume I look upon such an outcome as desirable. I do not. I find it quite scary. It will redefine how we look at ourselves in way not seen since the breakdown of feudalism.

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It's a good thing Kodiak and 955876 will be dead when the federal law mandating a universal income is passed after the robots have replaced most human labor within the next 100 years.

Some of you think the Wealth of Nations and the Communist Manifesto are the polar documents of modernity. You're wrong. The real document of modernity is Descartes' Discourse. The goal of modernity is not to make money. The goal of modernity is to master and control nature for human benefit and, as Descartes puts it, free us up to do as we wish. If we think dishwashers and agricultural technology afforded us more leisure, we ain't seen nothing yet.

Capitalism vs Socialism is moot.

Automation is rapidly expanding. AI is coming. There will not be enough jobs to go around. Universal income is coming. Even the financial analyst will go by wayside when the algorithms and AI advance far enough.

Work has defined who we are in the West since the collapse of feudalism. That era is on the verge of ending.


You need to lay off the drugs. Some of your points have merit but this is highway insanity

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Still Lit wrote:
It's a good thing Kodiak and 955876 will be dead when the federal law mandating a universal income is passed after the robots have replaced most human labor within the next 100 years.

Some of you think the Wealth of Nations and the Communist Manifesto are the polar documents of modernity. You're wrong. The real document of modernity is Descartes' Discourse. The goal of modernity is not to make money. The goal of modernity is to master and control nature for human benefit and, as Descartes puts it, free us up to do as we wish. If we think dishwashers and agricultural technology afforded us more leisure, we ain't seen nothing yet.

Capitalism vs Socialism is moot.

Automation is rapidly expanding. AI is coming. There will not be enough jobs to go around. Universal income is coming. Even the financial analyst will go by wayside when the algorithms and AI advance far enough.

Work has defined who we are in the West since the collapse of feudalism. That era is on the verge of ending.


You need to lay off the drugs. Some of your points have merit but this is highway insanity


Uh hunh. This coming from site's premier conspiracy theorist.

https://www.google.com/search?q=automat ... e&ie=UTF-8

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What conspiracy theories have I floated that are incorrect?

Ease off the acid Lit

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There may be a universal income, but it will be in the form of govt work doing a census on robot workers.

It will be really interesting to see how wealth, in a world of finite resources, is distributed when most jobs are done by robots. I'd imagine the rich and elite will be mostly politicians.

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While Lit’s post was an extreme example, it’s not unreasonable.

McDonalds CEO was answering questions in regards to the minimum wage issue and said they have the tech right now to run an entire restaurant with but 1-2 employees. And deliver a better product in the process.

Said the only reason they don’t is the public backlash they’d face after laying off a large % of their workforce.

Like most things, the answer is likely somewhere in the middle.

I worry myself if I can get another 20 years out of my job before I’m deemed unnecessary. I’m not even sure if it’s only 10 years.


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COR-TEN wrote:
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Funny, someone here was telling me just the other day BSPN was doing fine....I think it was Corten.
That's a bald face lie.



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I get a kick out of you free market proponents and business guys complain about advertising and capitalism ....


OOOOOOORRRRRRR we simply take our business elsewhere, which might partially explain why the likes of ESPN and SI are struggling so badly. Nowhere did anyone call for the govt to regulate that crap off the page.

Yep, free markets at their finest.
I never called for gov regulation. Granted, I'm not following sports organizations financials, but show me how ESPN and SI are struggling. Besides, markets are at their best when they move at a snails pace. Meanwhile, look at the loss of "productivity" at best over the course of the last few dozen decades.


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While Lit’s post was an extreme example, it’s not unreasonable.


This sort of thing has also been predicted many, many many times before with the advent of almost every new disruptive technology. I'm guilty of it, too, but the economy has continued to create previously un-imagined new industries and jobs.

And we already have a few different types of guaranteed income....there will just be more people receiving it.

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Hope so. These issues are above my pay grade. I’m just trying to stash enough away over next 15-20 years so that I can retire comfortably.


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955876 wrote:
While Lit’s post was an extreme example, it’s not unreasonable.

McDonalds CEO was answering questions in regards to the minimum wage issue and said they have the tech right now to run an entire restaurant with but 1-2 employees. And deliver a better product in the process.

Said the only reason they don’t is the public backlash they’d face after laying off a large % of their workforce.

Like most things, the answer is likely somewhere in the middle.

I worry myself if I can get another 20 years out of my job before I’m deemed unnecessary. I’m not even sure if it’s only 10 years.


13 years for me. I find getting deep knowledge of a system and the business helps keep you around. People coming out of college rarely if ever have deep knowledge and never of a business.

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Kodiak wrote:
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While Lit’s post was an extreme example, it’s not unreasonable.


This sort of thing has also been predicted many, many many times before with the advent of almost every new disruptive technology. I'm guilty of it, too, but the economy has continued to create previously un-imagined new industries and jobs.

And we already have a few different types of guaranteed income....there will just be more people receiving it.


It's naive to think AI and automation are just an extension of the industrial revolution, though. What we are on the verge of is something different in kind, not degree.

Before, we needed humans to run the machines.

We're eventually going merely to be servicing them. The human mind is not going to be necessary for running the damn things, but only making sure they are serviced appropriately.

The fear is not that all or even a majority of jobs will go away. The fear is that a ginormous minority will. If you do not have enough jobs to go around bc machines are doing all the low skilled labor or financial stock picks :D , these people are going to have to be taken care of or there will be a revolt.

This a long ways off, but not really so long.

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Might not be as far off as some think or want to believe.

Think if the trucking industry. Why pay a driver that’s forced to take regulated breaks and have a certain amount of down time when you can have a truck that drives all by itself essentially 24/7?

Lots of truckers out there earning decent money. Money their skill set might not be able to replicate if there were no more or far fewer trucking jobs.

Scary stuff.

Also why fast food workers need to be more focused on what they are going to do so they are no longer fast food workers rather than demanding a “living wage” for salt fries and mopping the floors.

The more expensive their labor becomes the sooner companies will replace those jobs with tech.


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