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 Post subject: Re: sackorpick files grievance
PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:53 pm 
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Packers are retards, giving their season away if they don't sign him, dumb ass fans can wave their stupid little flags and say God Bless America, but Kapaernick is way better than that nobody kid from UCLA, are you really RETARDED enough to willingly lose games to honor a stupid song?



In a word YES..

Stupid for you because I am sure you never served or lost anyone close in a conflict..

But hey we fought and bled and died so you can have your voice.


Football has nothing to do with flags, anthems, soldiers or wars. Football games are the equivalent of sitcoms or rock concerts, no more important or sacred. They shouldn't even play the anthem there, like they don't play it before a movie. And we'd still have these games even if there had been no wars, we could of skipped every war since WW2 and we'd still be free to have the games, just like the LOSERS of wars, like Germany or Japan, or Iraq still have their games. So soldiers didn't "allow" us to be free to have football games, North Korea has football games, Cuba has one of the best baseball leagues in the world, supposedly they aren't free. Football games are just ENTERTAINMENT, nothing more, has nothing to do with soldiers. And you don't know me, I have had relatives that served. In fact I was going to serve, but before signing up, I got something I wanted instead, a good job, so I passed on the lesser opportunity, Still, entertainment like football has no relationship with soldiers, flags and anthems, they need to be separated,


Ok that stings a little..
but on the larger issue I agree. I was very happy to see the majority of the games not showing any pre game stuff... I would be happy if the talking heads kept spewing there bs right up to kickoff..
all I am saying if there going to have the pregame hoopla, then do the right thing..
When it comes down to it... I wish the NFL would just play the game commercial free... then instead of the halftime bs we got 20 minutes of commercials..
would be a nice break.. Just football.. I also believe the networks are making this situation worse than it needs to be by pointing it out and talking endlessly about it..
cut the camera.. cut the bs and just play the damn game..
but that's just me..


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Packers are retards, giving their season away if they don't sign him, dumb ass fans can wave their stupid little flags and say God Bless America, but Kapaernick is way better than that nobody kid from UCLA, are you really RETARDED enough to willingly lose games to honor a stupid song?


The 2 QB's the Packers have behind AR are better than Colin Sackorpick. He's done as a player, DONE


What have the 2 QB's behind Rodgers done to prove they are better than Kaepernick?

They're heads are in the game

Gb has invested time in both of them

Sackorpick's head is not in the game.....his grandstanding as his game eroded so far is a typical cancer.....he was not a good pro as pros go.

If he had a brain, he would have retired already or gone to play in CFL

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Hundley has a bit of a pedigree (though better athlete than passer at UCLA), and was drafted reasonably high in his class, and he's been in the GB system for three years. It's GB. They draft and develop their own talent. They weren't going to sign anybody from outside the organization. It's not what they do. If the Steelers had a catastrophic Ben injury, I'd bet a tenner that Laundry Jones goes the rest of the way, barring catastrophe of some sort.


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Let's say Kaepernick can still play, and can learn a team's system rapidly....you might not like the comparison, but it's similar to Ray Rice in that not one of these owners is going to make the decision to bring this guy into their franchise, into their city, and further risk the impact on the fan base. That's why it's unlikely there's collusion. NONE of these owners needed to consult with anyone to know that signing this guy would not be good for biz.


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Let's say Kaepernick can still play, and can learn a team's system rapidly....you might not like the comparison, but it's similar to Ray Rice in that not one of these owners is going to make the decision to bring this guy into their franchise, into their city, and further risk the impact on the fan base. That's why it's unlikely there's collusion. NONE of these owners needed to consult with anyone to know that signing this guy would not be good for biz.


And of course what is really pathetic is that more people got more worked up over CK's antics than over RR straight closed fist punching a woman. People are often so dumb. Wut?!? CK didn't stand for the anthem AND he wore a Castro t shirt!?!? I'm done with the NFL!!!! RR punched a woman? Damn, he's done.

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Let's say Kaepernick can still play, and can learn a team's system rapidly....you might not like the comparison, but it's similar to Ray Rice in that not one of these owners is going to make the decision to bring this guy into their franchise, into their city, and further risk the impact on the fan base. That's why it's unlikely there's collusion. NONE of these owners needed to consult with anyone to know that signing this guy would not be good for biz.


And of course what is really pathetic is that more people got more worked up over CK's antics than over RR straight closed fist punching a woman. People are often so dumb. Wut?!? CK didn't stand for the anthem AND he wore a Castro t shirt!?!? I'm done with the NFL!!!! RR punched a woman? Damn, he's done.


There was plenty of rage about RR. But there weren't protests standing up for him by players, every weekend after for eternity to remind us of what RR did.

i agree with Swiss. As is the mantra of most NFL players. It's all about the money. Get Paid. and all that jazz. Owners too. No collusion needed to know that as an owner, your team ain't getting paid as much when you bring in that circus.

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I saw a Sunday morning show where this was being discussed. One of the panel was a business man who put it best. He said that if he is brought onto a team it becomes about him and what he will do on Sunday, ect, ect. It is a distraction to the team and bad for business.

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I saw a Sunday morning show where this was being discussed. One of the panel was a business man who put it best. He said that if he is brought onto a team it becomes about him and what he will do on Sunday, ect, ect. It is a distraction to the team and bad for business.



Exactly. If Kaepernick was a Pro Bowl caliber player, some team would have had picked him up a while ago.

Instead, he’s, at best, a mediocre player, and probably below that, even, and not worth the hassle or the PR nightmare he’d bring.

He’s not going to turn GB into a contender, but he damn sure could potentially cost the Packers some ticket/merchandise sales. Why would a business risk that?

This is like the Steelers keeping James Harrison after his domerstic violence accusation, yet cutting Cedric Wilson the second they caught wind of his accusation.

Teams will sign players with baggage when the positive outweighs the negative. Kaepernick’s ratio of good to bad doesn’t come close to that point.


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Let's say Kaepernick can still play, and can learn a team's system rapidly....you might not like the comparison, but it's similar to Ray Rice in that not one of these owners is going to make the decision to bring this guy into their franchise, into their city, and further risk the impact on the fan base. That's why it's unlikely there's collusion. NONE of these owners needed to consult with anyone to know that signing this guy would not be good for biz.


And of course what is really pathetic is that more people got more worked up over CK's antics than over RR straight closed fist punching a woman. People are often so dumb. Wut?!? CK didn't stand for the anthem AND he wore a Castro t shirt!?!? I'm done with the NFL!!!! RR punched a woman? Damn, he's done.


There was plenty of rage about RR. But there weren't protests standing up for him by players, every weekend after for eternity to remind us of what RR did.

i agree with Swiss. As is the mantra of most NFL players. It's all about the money. Get Paid. and all that jazz. Owners too. No collusion needed to know that as an owner, your team ain't getting paid as much when you bring in that circus.


The reaction to RR punching his woman was nothing like that to the anthem-kneeling business. Not even close. People are actually boycotting the NFL over it. It is absurd that people should be more outraged by anthem-kneeling than actual domestic violence. And of course, there is on-going domestic violence every day.

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Tough to legislate peoples' emotionality, Lit. Trump, much as I hate to give the douchebag credit for anything, knows he has a winning issue on this one. It's just what we do as Americans....anthem plays, we stand at attention.

None of these owners are going to bring this guy, risk further alienation of their fan base, their local law enforcement agencies, and ultimately, their business interests.

And the comparison to RR isn't one of relative outrage....it involved individual owners making the same business decision. They weren't bringing RR in either, due to effect it would have on their business.


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Tough to legislate peoples' emotionality, Lit. Trump, much as I hate to give the douchebag credit for anything, knows he has a winning issue on this one. It's just what we do as Americans....anthem plays, we stand at attention.

None of these owners are going to bring this guy, risk further alienation of their fan base, their local law enforcement agencies, and ultimately, their business interests.

And the comparison to RR isn't one of relative outrage....it involved individual owners making the same business decision. They weren't bringing RR in either, due to effect it would have on their business.


Not making a point about political winners or losers, Swiss. And I am making the comparison about the levels of outrage to point out how stupid so many must be.

Of all the stuff there is to get worked up about, this what people go for?

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Teams will sign players with baggage when the positive outweighs the negative. Kaepernick’s ratio of good to bad doesn’t come close to that point.
For all you numbers whores. Stats for three qb's through the first six years. All three are/were starters. Guess who is who.

242 sacks
81 interceptions
101 td
12 rush td
698 yards rushing
76.6 passer rating
19,302 total passing yards
2-0 SB appearances
10-4 playoffs

171 sacks
30 int
72 td
13 rush td
2,300
88.9 passer rate
12,271 total passing yards
0-1 SB appearance
4-2 playoffs

181 sacks
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22,214 total passing yards
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Tough to legislate peoples' emotionality, Lit. Trump, much as I hate to give the douchebag credit for anything, knows he has a winning issue on this one. It's just what we do as Americans....anthem plays, we stand at attention.

None of these owners are going to bring this guy, risk further alienation of their fan base, their local law enforcement agencies, and ultimately, their business interests.

And the comparison to RR isn't one of relative outrage....it involved individual owners making the same business decision. They weren't bringing RR in either, due to effect it would have on their business.


Not making a point about political winners or losers, Swiss. And I am making the comparison about the levels of outrage to point out how stupid so many must be.

Of all the stuff there is to get worked up about, this what people go for?


You may consider it stupid, Lit, but it's very important to alot of people.


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Not making a point about political winners or losers, Swiss. And I am making the comparison about the levels of outrage to point out how stupid so many must be.

Of all the stuff there is to get worked up about, this what people go for?


You may consider it stupid, Lit, but it's very important to alot of people.


But it being very important to a lot of people does it make it not stupid to be more outraged by anthem-kneeling than domestic abuse or sexual violence, which is, I repeat, pervasive and ongoing. CK hurt people's feelings. Domestic abuse and sexual assault ruins lives. But by all means, let's get twice as worked up over CK.

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Not making a point about political winners or losers, Swiss. And I am making the comparison about the levels of outrage to point out how stupid so many must be.

Of all the stuff there is to get worked up about, this what people go for?


You may consider it stupid, Lit, but it's very important to alot of people.


But it being very important to a lot of people does it make it not stupid to be more outraged by anthem-kneeling than domestic abuse or sexual violence, which is, I repeat, pervasive and ongoing. CK hurt people's feelings. Domestic abuse and sexual assault ruins lives. But by all means, let's get twice as worked up over CK.


You may consider it mumbo-jumbo, but I think there's a difference between deeply offending one's sensibilities vs. simply hurting their feelings.


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Teams will sign players with baggage when the positive outweighs the negative. Kaepernick’s ratio of good to bad doesn’t come close to that point.
For all you numbers whores. Stats for three qb's through the first six years. All three are/were starters. Guess who is who.

242 sacks
81 interceptions
101 td
12 rush td
698 yards rushing
76.6 passer rating
19,302 total passing yards
2-0 SB appearances
10-4 playoffs

171 sacks
30 int
72 td
13 rush td
2,300
88.9 passer rate
12,271 total passing yards
0-1 SB appearance
4-2 playoffs

181 sacks
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142 td
18 rush td
950 yards rushing
89.7 passer rating
22,214 total passing yards
0 SB appearances
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Kaep
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Anyway, yeah, Kaep kicked ass in '13 '14, but after Harby left he dropped off the earth. Then he made his team and league into a divisive political spectacle and now nobody wants to deal with protesters outside their facilities and stadiums, along with fans boycotting. to summarize.

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Kaep
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Anyway, yeah, Kaep kicked ass in '13 '14, but after Harby left he dropped off the earth. Then he made his team and league into a divisive political spectacle and now nobody wants to deal with protesters outside their facilities and stadiums, along with fans boycotting. to summarize.



Right. Who gives a shit about the last 6 years?

He's been mediocre for the last two, and while he was better before that, he still wasn't all that great.

If this had been Cam Newton or Tom Brady in the same situation, neither would have been unemployed at all.


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Cam Newton :

221 sacks
78 interceptions
136 td
48 rush td
3,566 yards rushing
86 passer rating
21,772 total passing yards
0-1 super bowls
3-3 playoff

I just think it's funny to call Kaep sackorpic, since his sacks and pics are the lowest among the four I listed. Those being

Ben Roethlisberger
Colin Kaepernick
Andy Dalton

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Cam Newton :

221 sacks
78 interceptions
136 td
48 rush td
3,566 yards rushing
86 passer rating
21,772 total passing yards
0-1 super bowls
3-3 playoff

I just think it's funny to call Kaep sackorpic, since his sacks and pics are the lowest among the four I listed. Those being

Ben Roethlisberger
Colin Kaepernick
Andy Dalton


Then take Cam out of the equation. I only inserted him in there because I figured if I only included white QB examples, you'd play the race card. But if you don't think he's any better than Kaepernick, then I'd say neither are good enough to warrant the headache.

NFL owner seem to agree with me. Twist it however you want.


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Cam Newton :

221 sacks
78 interceptions
136 td
48 rush td
3,566 yards rushing
86 passer rating
21,772 total passing yards
0-1 super bowls
3-3 playoff

I just think it's funny to call Kaep sackorpic, since his sacks and pics are the lowest among the four I listed. Those being

Ben Roethlisberger
Colin Kaepernick
Andy Dalton


Then take Cam out of the equation. I only inserted him in there because I figured if I only included white QB examples, you'd play the race card. But if you don't think he's any better than Kaepernick, then I'd say neither are good enough to warrant the headache.

NFL owner seem to agree with me. Twist it however you want.
Race card? Nope, but thanks for bringing up a completely irrelevant point and an assumption that merits a "fuck off."

I never said owners don't want what he brings with his protests, but it seems now they have a lot more active players kneeling. What does that say about them? Should those guys be fired as well? That's what dumpster wants. How are they any different than Kaep?

I just don't agree with the point that he doesn't have skills enough to warrant a roster spot, baggage and all. Jameis Winston has 2 rape allegations hanging over his head, nobody cared. So did Mark "Buttfumble" Sanchez, and he's a lot worse than Kaepernick. I call it a double standard. The only reason Kaep is a headache is because the media makes it into one. Has since the start. Imagine if it was reported once, and then nobody cared and ignored him. Then what?

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Race card? Nope, but thanks for bringing up a completely irrelevant point and an assumption that merits a "fuck off."

I never said owners don't want what he brings with his protests, but it seems now they have a lot more active players kneeling. What does that say about them? Should those guys be fired as well? That's what dumpster wants. How are they any different than Kaep?

I just don't agree with the point that he doesn't have skills enough to warrant a roster spot, baggage and all. Jameis Winston has 2 rape allegations hanging over his head, nobody cared. So did Mark "Buttfumble" Sanchez, and he's a lot worse than Kaepernick. I call it a double standard. The only reason Kaep is a headache is because the media makes it into one. Has since the start. Imagine if it was reported once, and then nobody cared and ignored him. Then what?



You're right, no one does care about Jameis Winston's rape allegations. And that's why he's on a roster.

You're confusing what people SHOULD care about with what people DO care about it. I agree 100% that no one should give a shit about this flag stuff. But there's a ton of fans that do and the numbers are showing that many of them are actually following through on boycotting the league. In a perfect world, it'd be a non issue and owners wouldn't have to worry about it. But they do. And their reaction to it influences their bottom line, and that alone gives them the right to handle it just as they are.

Kaepernick is different from all the other players kneeling because he started it and, justifiably or not, he will always carry more baggage with him then those other players in the eyes of those who are against the kneeling. Signing Kaepernick has a much larger potential to affect a fan base than signing some other no name who just started kneeling two weeks ago.

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Race card? Nope, but thanks for bringing up a completely irrelevant point and an assumption that merits a "fuck off."

I never said owners don't want what he brings with his protests, but it seems now they have a lot more active players kneeling. What does that say about them? Should those guys be fired as well? That's what dumpster wants. How are they any different than Kaep?

I just don't agree with the point that he doesn't have skills enough to warrant a roster spot, baggage and all. Jameis Winston has 2 rape allegations hanging over his head, nobody cared. So did Mark "Buttfumble" Sanchez, and he's a lot worse than Kaepernick. I call it a double standard. The only reason Kaep is a headache is because the media makes it into one. Has since the start. Imagine if it was reported once, and then nobody cared and ignored him. Then what?



You're right, no one does care about Jameis Winston's rape allegations. And that's why he's on a roster.

You're confusing what people SHOULD care about with what people DO care about it. I agree 100% that no one should give a shit about this flag stuff. But there's a ton of fans that do and the numbers are showing that many of them are actually following through on boycotting the league. In a perfect world, it'd be a non issue and owners wouldn't have to worry about it. But they do. And their reaction to it influences their bottom line, and that alone gives them the right to handle it just as they are.

Kaepernick is different from all the other players kneeling because he started it and, justifiably or not, he will always carry more baggage with him then those other players in the eyes of those who are against the kneeling. Signing Kaepernick has a much larger potential to affect a fan base than signing some other no name who just started kneeling two weeks ago.

It's not fair, it's not right, but it's still the reality.
I'm not confusing anything. I know perfectly well why the situation is what it is. It's a double standard and has become politicized for partisan gain. Boycotting fans is overblown. Show me numbers that are solely attributed to the kneeling thing. I might actually change my mind, but ratings and numbers have been declining for a while, with at least five other factors.

Either way, the suggestion that Kaep doesn't have skills is just plain false. Period. He is as good if not better than a good portion of the starters in the league, and probably all of the backups. Judging his skill set is done through the fog of jingoistic patriotism. That is the reality. This is a free country. People and businesses can do whatever the fuck they want. But it still doesn't wash away the hypocrisy or misplaced priorities. All I can do is shrug my shoulders at the idiocy.

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I'm not confusing anything. I know perfectly well why the situation is what it is. It's a double standard and has become politicized for partisan gain. Boycotting fans is overblown. Show me numbers that are solely attributed to the kneeling thing. I might actually change my mind, but ratings and numbers have been declining for a while, with at least five other factors.

Either way, the suggestion that Kaep doesn't have skills is just plain false. Period. He is as good if not better than a good portion of the starters in the league, and probably all of the backups. Judging his skill set is done through the fog of jingoistic patriotism. That is the reality. This is a free country. People and businesses can do whatever the fuck they want. But it still doesn't wash away the hypocrisy or misplaced priorities. All I can do is shrug my shoulders at the idiocy.


You don't need numbers. You need common sense.

I'll simplify it for you:

Would signing Kaepernick outrage a significant portion of the fanbase of any team that would sign him? Yes.

Would not signing Kaepernick outrage a significant portion of the same team's fanbase? I'm sure there's pockets of fans pushing for their team to sign him, but the reality is that there's 32 teams in the league, and being angry at any of them for not signing him is a lot harder to do.

Is outraging your customers ever a good business decision, whether they actually stop watching or not? No.

Based on that, the answer is pretty damn clear if I'm running an NFL team.

And I'm not arguing he doesn't have skills. I do think he's better than at least some, hell maybe even half, of the starters in the league. I'm arguing he's not good ENOUGH to warrant a move that could outrage a significant portion of the fanbase.


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Race card? Nope, but thanks for bringing up a completely irrelevant point and an assumption that merits a "fuck off."

I never said owners don't want what he brings with his protests, but it seems now they have a lot more active players kneeling. What does that say about them? Should those guys be fired as well? That's what dumpster wants. How are they any different than Kaep?

I just don't agree with the point that he doesn't have skills enough to warrant a roster spot, baggage and all. Jameis Winston has 2 rape allegations hanging over his head, nobody cared. So did Mark "Buttfumble" Sanchez, and he's a lot worse than Kaepernick. I call it a double standard. The only reason Kaep is a headache is because the media makes it into one. Has since the start. Imagine if it was reported once, and then nobody cared and ignored him. Then what?



You're right, no one does care about Jameis Winston's rape allegations. And that's why he's on a roster.

You're confusing what people SHOULD care about with what people DO care about it. I agree 100% that no one should give a shit about this flag stuff. But there's a ton of fans that do and the numbers are showing that many of them are actually following through on boycotting the league. In a perfect world, it'd be a non issue and owners wouldn't have to worry about it. But they do. And their reaction to it influences their bottom line, and that alone gives them the right to handle it just as they are.

Kaepernick is different from all the other players kneeling because he started it and, justifiably or not, he will always carry more baggage with him then those other players in the eyes of those who are against the kneeling. Signing Kaepernick has a much larger potential to affect a fan base than signing some other no name who just started kneeling two weeks ago.

It's not fair, it's not right, but it's still the reality.



It actually IS fair. He's also the guy wearing the Cops are Pigs socks, so any owner bringing his ass into their city damn well knows there will be a reaction from local police departments as well.

Business decision.....we've already entered Ray Rice & Cedric Wilson into the convo.

Jamis Winston? His talent level made the reward worth the risk.

I still think it's funny that some on this esteemed website will sit in judgement on topics worthy of generating one's ire. T


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You don't need numbers. You need common sense.

I'll simplify it for you:
No need. But if it feels good to lecture, go ahead. I understand completely how business works, thanks very much. But please. Go ahead and simplify and explain all you want. I won't be reading.

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