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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:06 pm 
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I guess your response implies that some people have weaker ligaments than others?


I'm not implying it, I'm stating it as a fact. Some people have tighter/less elastic ligaments than others. Some have shorter ligaments than others. Same with bones and joints. This makes them more likely to get injured, all else equal.

Do you guys ever watch the Steelers' pregame stretch?
It's like a buncha guys hanging out and carrying on, waiting for the work release bus to show up...

Injuries happen. Life happens.
It's the preparation for and response to such that makes the real difference.

I bet if our players were coached to take those preparations with a bit more serious discipline and could be shown the bigger picture AS A TEAM, in general, they'd be among those with the better prepared skeletal and connective tissue...

Generally speaking, the injuries that occur could be less serious and of shorter duration if the prep and stretch was a bit more serious.

Can't possibly expect such a standard to be set by our "Leader of Grown Assed Men", though, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:21 pm 
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Injuries happen.
Some probably have more flexible joints, tendons, muscles, etc......
Some heal quicker and can rebound faster.
Some are just lucky
Some are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

How does one explain the phenomena of Eli Manning.
He is a big bucket of silly putty......
has not missed a game in forever.
He should not have walked off that field on Monday night.
Took at least 2 kill shots.
Got driven into the turf on one play by every last ounce of Ngatas body.
Yet never missed a play.

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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:25 pm 
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Steeledge wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
I guess your response implies that some people have weaker ligaments than others?


I'm not implying it, I'm stating it as a fact. Some people have tighter/less elastic ligaments than others. Some have shorter ligaments than others. Same with bones and joints. This makes them more likely to get injured, all else equal.

Do you guys ever watch the Steelers' pregame stretch?
It's like a buncha guys hanging out and carrying on, waiting for the work release bus to show up...

Injuries happen. Life happens.
It's the preparation for and response to such that makes the real difference.

I bet if our players were coached to take those preparations with a bit more serious discipline and could be shown the bigger picture AS A TEAM, in general, they'd be among those with the better prepared skeletal and connective tissue...

Generally speaking, the injuries that occur could be less serious and of shorter duration if the prep and stretch was a bit more serious.

Can't possibly expect such a standard to be set by our "Leader of Grown Assed Men", though, right?

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This is honestly laughable. It's almost like poorly done satire. Like if a bad writer submitted an article for The Onion.


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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:27 pm 
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Steeledge wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
I guess your response implies that some people have weaker ligaments than others?


I'm not implying it, I'm stating it as a fact. Some people have tighter/less elastic ligaments than others. Some have shorter ligaments than others. Same with bones and joints. This makes them more likely to get injured, all else equal.

Do you guys ever watch the Steelers' pregame stretch?
It's like a buncha guys hanging out and carrying on, waiting for the work release bus to show up...

Injuries happen. Life happens.
It's the preparation for and response to such that makes the real difference.

I bet if our players were coached to take those preparations with a bit more serious discipline and could be shown the bigger picture AS A TEAM, in general, they'd be among those with the better prepared skeletal and connective tissue...

Generally speaking, the injuries that occur could be less serious and of shorter duration if the prep and stretch was a bit more serious.

Can't possibly expect such a standard to be set by our "Leader of Grown Assed Men", though, right?

Image

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static stretching has been proven ineffective for injury preventions. http://www.bmj.com/content/325/7362/468 The stuff they stand around and do together is probably more a comraderie thing. Everyone is now doing dynamic stretches, which are usually done in small positional groups or alone. It's not the 90's anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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static stretching has been proven ineffective for injury preventions. http://www.bmj.com/content/325/7362/468 The stuff they stand around and do together is probably more a comraderie thing. Everyone is now doing dynamic stretches, which are usually done in small positional groups or alone. It's not the 90's anymore.



Yep. And what you do immediately before the game isn't going to have a huge impact. There's only so much you can do with the tendons/ligaments you have, and it takes years of proper conditioning to to have a marginal impact.

And I can add 20 lbs of muscle, but it won't do much for my tendons/ligaments/joints except subject them to greater force than they're used to or that my body intended.

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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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You guys are wrong. I don't follow any other teams or pay attention to their injury reports, but I perceive the Steelers as suffering a disproportionate amount of injuries. And it's all because Tomlin has the team prepare for games like prison inmates working out in the yard. You know, because they're black.

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Do you guys ever watch the Steelers' pregame stretch?
It's like a buncha guys hanging out and carrying on, waiting for the work release bus to show up...


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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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Steeledge wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
I guess your response implies that some people have weaker ligaments than others?


I'm not implying it, I'm stating it as a fact. Some people have tighter/less elastic ligaments than others. Some have shorter ligaments than others. Same with bones and joints. This makes them more likely to get injured, all else equal.

Do you guys ever watch the Steelers' pregame stretch?
It's like a buncha guys hanging out and carrying on, waiting for the work release bus to show up...

Injuries happen. Life happens.
It's the preparation for and response to such that makes the real difference.

I bet if our players were coached to take those preparations with a bit more serious discipline and could be shown the bigger picture AS A TEAM, in general, they'd be among those with the better prepared skeletal and connective tissue...

Generally speaking, the injuries that occur could be less serious and of shorter duration if the prep and stretch was a bit more serious.

Can't possibly expect such a standard to be set by our "Leader of Grown Assed Men", though, right?

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Hope you didn't hurt yourself stretching for another thing to blame on Tomlin.

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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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Ravens have 15 guys on IR. How does this skew predictive tubmonster analytics?

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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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Laying the Wood wrote:
You guys are wrong. I don't follow any other teams or pay attention to their injury reports, but I perceive the Steelers as suffering a disproportionate amount of injuries. And it's all because Tomlin has the team prepare for games like prison inmates working out in the yard. You know, because they're black.

I'll readily admit that what I said was a "stretch" </pun>
but you, sir, took it to a whole new and much lower level of despicable.

congratulations.

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/race-baiting

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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:43 am 
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Steeledge wrote:
Laying the Wood wrote:
You guys are wrong. I don't follow any other teams or pay attention to their injury reports, but I perceive the Steelers as suffering a disproportionate amount of injuries. And it's all because Tomlin has the team prepare for games like prison inmates working out in the yard. You know, because they're black.

I'll readily admit that what I said was a "stretch" </pun>
but you, sir, took it to a whole new and much lower level of despicable.

congratulations.

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/race-baiting


Please tell me why you think they look like they're in prison. What about them makes them look like inmates.


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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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Steeledge wrote:
Laying the Wood wrote:
You guys are wrong. I don't follow any other teams or pay attention to their injury reports, but I perceive the Steelers as suffering a disproportionate amount of injuries. And it's all because Tomlin has the team prepare for games like prison inmates working out in the yard. You know, because they're black.

I'll readily admit that what I said was a "stretch" </pun>
but you, sir, took it to a whole new and much lower level of despicable.

congratulations.

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/race-baiting


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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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dogwhistle

In politics, to make an innocuous statement which is designed to trigger previously indoctrinated bigotry & hatred without being recognized by outsiders for bigotry or hateful speech.

Ex. “Do you guys ever watch the Steelers' pregame stretch? It's like a buncha guys hanging out and carrying on, waiting for the work release bus to show up...”


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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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Steel Drummer wrote:
dogwhistle

In politics, to make an innocuous statement which is designed to trigger previously indoctrinated bigotry & hatred without being recognized by outsiders for bigotry or hateful speech.

Ex. “Do you guys ever watch the Steelers' pregame stretch? It's like a buncha guys hanging out and carrying on, waiting for the work release bus to show up...”

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Listen, Reverend, my entire point was that they just mill around like they have no place particularly interesting to be.

You reverse-racist bigoted Tomlin apologists are the ones kicking this to the ash heap.

I'm done here.
Good day to you, sirs.

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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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Steeledge wrote:
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dogwhistle

In politics, to make an innocuous statement which is designed to trigger previously indoctrinated bigotry & hatred without being recognized by outsiders for bigotry or hateful speech.

Ex. “Do you guys ever watch the Steelers' pregame stretch? It's like a buncha guys hanging out and carrying on, waiting for the work release bus to show up...”

:evil:
Listen, Reverend, my entire point was that they just mill around like they have no place particularly interesting to be.

You reverse-racist bigoted Tomlin apologists are the ones kicking this to the ash heap.

I'm done here.
Good day to you, sirs.



Exactly. "Dog whistle" is used by both sides to whip the useful idiots into a frenzy.

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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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So is "race-baiting."


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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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Steeledge wrote:
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dogwhistle

In politics, to make an innocuous statement which is designed to trigger previously indoctrinated bigotry & hatred without being recognized by outsiders for bigotry or hateful speech.

Ex. “Do you guys ever watch the Steelers' pregame stretch? It's like a buncha guys hanging out and carrying on, waiting for the work release bus to show up...”

:evil:
Listen, Reverend, my entire point was that they just mill around like they have no place particularly interesting to be.

You reverse-racist bigoted Tomlin apologists are the ones kicking this to the ash heap.

I'm done here.
Good day to you, sirs.


You're done here because you've dug yourself into a hole and have the good sense to quit digging. I'll give you that.


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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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So is "race-baiting."


No, actually "race-baiting" and "racism" are equivalent when accurate/appropriate. It's when they're bullshit that it becomes a dog-whistle.

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And who decides when it's actual racism or race baiting?

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Kodiak wrote:
Steeledge wrote:
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dogwhistle

In politics, to make an innocuous statement which is designed to trigger previously indoctrinated bigotry & hatred without being recognized by outsiders for bigotry or hateful speech.

Ex. “Do you guys ever watch the Steelers' pregame stretch? It's like a buncha guys hanging out and carrying on, waiting for the work release bus to show up...”

:evil:
Listen, Reverend, my entire point was that they just mill around like they have no place particularly interesting to be.

You reverse-racist bigoted Tomlin apologists are the ones kicking this to the ash heap.

I'm done here.
Good day to you, sirs.



Exactly. "Dog whistle" is used by both sides to whip the useful idiots into a frenzy.


The frenetic useful idiots are funny.


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 Post subject: Re: Tubmonsters around the league
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Kodiak wrote:
No, actually "race-baiting" and "racism" are equivalent when accurate/appropriate. It's when they're bullshit that it becomes a dog-whistle.


I'm struggling with your logic, Kodiak. Are you saying that it's only when a claim of race-baiting or racism is spurious that it becomes a dog whistle?

I repeat the definition, which is definition 2 from Urban Dictionary:
dogwhistle
In politics, to make an innocuous statement which is designed to trigger previously indoctrinated bigotry & hatred without being recognized by outsiders for bigotry or hateful speech.

The definition seems reasonable to me. If you are claiming that dog whistling as defined above doesn't actually exist, and is just made up to serve the purposes of "reverse racists," then that is a coherent objection. Laughable, but coherent. But saying dog whistling, by definition, is a false claim of racism, well that's just complete horseshit.

If you want to continue this, I suggest we move it to General Discussion. It doesn't really belong here.


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You assholes can fuck up a good thing like arguing about football and bitching about the Steelers coaches by bringing this racial nonsense into it. Thread locked. Next time kids go to the timeout box. Don't make us moderate. Nobody wants to.


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