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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:45 am 
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How in the hell did they rule that not a catch???

NFL still doesn’t know what a catch is. Fucking league sucks.


I say it every year, people laugh at me!

IMPROVE THE SPORT=make a catch a NON-REVIEWABLE JUDGEMENT CALL

Games would be so much more fun to watch and so what? Lot's of things, like PI that often seem obvoious are judgement and nobody complains.


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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:11 am 
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And as usual the Atlanta Falcons offense is nothing but throw to Julio Jones, over, and over and over again.

Okay, so he had 10 catches for 169 yards but where are the TDs? No TDs and 12 points scored. And you targeted it to Julio Jones, what 20 times, more than that? And he only had a catch percentage of 50%? Last season JJ had a catch percentage of 59.5%. Not good.

It is easy to play rope a dope and give a single player his garbage fantasy football stats all the while limiting an offense.

This is why I don't want Antonio Brown to have 100 catches anymore, or to be targeted 185 times in a season. There is no reason to limit your offense when you have JuJu, when you have James Washington, when you have a fast athletic TE like McDonald or a pass catching RB like Jaylin Samuels or a slot WR like Switzer.

Spread the ball around, spread the wealth and you score more points, you are much harder to stop, the defense will be reeling not knowing what to do, who to cover, who to double, etc.

Atlanta still has not learned this lesson. I hope my Steelers do.


As great of a talent and specimen Julio is.........
Its eye opening on how few TD's he has had in his career.
this is his 8th year and he only has 43 TD catches in 96 career games ( + 6 td's in 8 playoff games )
All 8 of those years with Matt Ryan, a top 10 QB.
The added bonus of playing more than half of his 96 games in a dome ( 8 home + New Orleans ) and probably the majority of the other half of those games in pretty good weather with Carolina and Tampa in the division.
Only 25 Td's in the last 5 years and last night in 67 games.

AB has 52 TD's in his last 5 years. 2x as much.

Anyway.

I agree with your logic of spreading the ball around.
I think AB still gets double digits in TD catches.
But think JuJU may as well and can see Washington snagging 7 to 9.

Yeah, no need to have one guy catching 125-130 balls. Spread it around.

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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:26 am 
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Seriously, what a bunch of slop and slather. Can't these coaches get their teams ready for week 1?


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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:53 pm 
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Poltargyst wrote:

Matt Ryan...is not clutch.


That final drive...Matt Ryan can't take that sack. That's a rookie mistake there and something Ben would do holding the ball too long

Think about it: they lost, what 7 yards on that sack? I realize they converted the 1st down, but they ended up about 7 yards from the EZ on the last play?

There's your difference between winning and losing. 7 yards on an unnecessary sack


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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:

Matt Ryan...is not clutch.


That final drive...Matt Ryan can't take that sack. That's a rookie mistake there and something Ben would do holding the ball too long

Think about it: they lost, what 7 yards on that sack? I realize they converted the 1st down, but they ended up about 7 yards from the EZ on the last play?

There's your difference between winning and losing. 7 yards on an unnecessary sack


Falcons went up 28-3 with 8:31 left in the 3rd quarter.

It still sucks that the Falcons blew that lead. Unbelievable.


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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:

Matt Ryan...is not clutch.


That final drive...Matt Ryan can't take that sack. That's a rookie mistake there and something Ben would do holding the ball too long

Think about it: they lost, what 7 yards on that sack? I realize they converted the 1st down, but they ended up about 7 yards from the EZ on the last play?

There's your difference between winning and losing. 7 yards on an unnecessary sack

They had 1st down from the 10 with 24 seconds to go. Enough time to run 4 pass plays. The sack didn't keep them from scoring in the redzone. They haven't been able to score in the redzone for an entire season. What kept them from scoring was Philly's D and their predictable, questionable, unimaginative playcalling. You know how I know about their playcalling? It looks like ours.

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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
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7forSteel wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:

Matt Ryan...is not clutch.


That final drive...Matt Ryan can't take that sack. That's a rookie mistake there and something Ben would do holding the ball too long

Think about it: they lost, what 7 yards on that sack? I realize they converted the 1st down, but they ended up about 7 yards from the EZ on the last play?

There's your difference between winning and losing. 7 yards on an unnecessary sack

They had 1st down from the 10 with 24 seconds to go. Enough time to run 4 pass plays. The sack didn't keep them from scoring in the redzone. They haven't been able to score in the redzone for an entire season. What kept them from scoring was Philly's D and their predictable, questionable, unimaginative playcalling. You know how I know about their playcalling? It looks like ours.

We don't know what ours looks like yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:

Matt Ryan...is not clutch.


That final drive...Matt Ryan can't take that sack. That's a rookie mistake there and something Ben would do holding the ball too long

Think about it: they lost, what 7 yards on that sack? I realize they converted the 1st down, but they ended up about 7 yards from the EZ on the last play?

There's your difference between winning and losing. 7 yards on an unnecessary sack

Shades of the super bowl vs. NE. Cannot take a sack to go out of FG range.

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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:38 pm 
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I had a hard time understanding the need to go for two at the end for Philly.

If there is a chart I wonder what it looks like for a situation like that.

You are up 16-12 and have to make the decision to go for 2. The opposing team can't kick a FG to win, that would only get them up to 15 points.

So, why wouldn't you just kick the extra point and make it 17-12?

Some would argue well what if the Falcons come back and score a TD? Then the score would be 19-17!!

Yeah? So? A last minute FG by Philly would allow them to win 20-19.

I guess the argument is that Philly was scared that the Falcons would score a TD and a two point conversion to make the score 20-17, and then when they did get the ball back they would only be able to tie the game with a FG instead of winning it? But if they went for the two point conversion and had 18 points then they could still win it with a FG 21-20?

That is all ridiculous!! Never mind that I have seen it happen that a team takes a two point attempt and runs it back to score 2 points themselves as Eric Berry did with KC.

This hypothetical is not that far fetched. What if the Falcons had intercepted that two point attempt and ran it back and scored? It would have been 16-14 and the Falcons could have got into FG range easily and won the game 17-16!

I just think Philly over thought this 2 pointer at the end of the game, it was not necessary. The Falcons have trouble scoring in the redzone and now you expect them to somehow magically bust out with a TD and a two pointer at the end??

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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
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Scunge wrote:
I had a hard time understanding the need to go for two at the end for Philly.

If there is a chart I wonder what it looks like for a situation like that.

You are up 16-12 and have to make the decision to go for 2. The opposing team can't kick a FG to win, that would only get them up to 15 points.

So, why wouldn't you just kick the extra point and make it 17-12?

Some would argue well what if the Falcons come back and score a TD? Then the score would be 19-17!!

Yeah? So? A last minute FG by Philly would allow them to win 20-19.

I guess the argument is that Philly was scared that the Falcons would score a TD and a two point conversion to make the score 20-17, and then when they did get the ball back they would only be able to tie the game with a FG instead of winning it? But if they went for the two point conversion and had 18 points then they could still win it with a FG 21-20?

That is all ridiculous!! Never mind that I have seen it happen that a team takes a two point attempt and runs it back to score 2 points themselves as Eric Berry did with KC.

This hypothetical is not that far fetched. What if the Falcons had intercepted that two point attempt and ran it back and scored? It would have been 16-14 and the Falcons could have got into FG range easily and won the game 17-16!

I just think Philly over thought this 2 pointer at the end of the game, it was not necessary. The Falcons have trouble scoring in the redzone and now you expect them to somehow magically bust out with a TD and a two pointer at the end??

Didn't make sense to me either.

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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:08 am 
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Not only did that 2 pointer not make sense, the offense didn't expect it and it cost the Eagles a TO that would have been crucial had the Falcons scored a TD. Losing the TO was worse than going for 2.

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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:27 am 
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Nick79 wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
How in the hell did they rule that not a catch???

NFL still doesn’t know what a catch is. Fucking league sucks.


I say it every year, people laugh at me!

IMPROVE THE SPORT=make a catch a NON-REVIEWABLE JUDGEMENT CALL

Games would be so much more fun to watch and so what? Lot's of things, like PI that often seem obvoious are judgement and nobody complains.


Then their is gonna be way too many close catches/non catches that are wrong.

Yeah, it slows the game down, but don't you want to see the game played with MORE errors, so I disagree with you.


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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:21 am 
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Poltargyst wrote:
7forSteel wrote:
They had 1st down from the 10 with 24 seconds to go. Enough time to run 4 pass plays. The sack didn't keep them from scoring in the redzone. They haven't been able to score in the redzone for an entire season. What kept them from scoring was Philly's D and their predictable, questionable, unimaginative playcalling. You know how I know about their playcalling? It looks like ours.

We don't know what ours looks like yet.

Let me rephrase...

It looks like ours the past few seasons.

Better?

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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:23 am 
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Nick79 wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
How in the hell did they rule that not a catch???

NFL still doesn’t know what a catch is. Fucking league sucks.


I say it every year, people laugh at me!

IMPROVE THE SPORT=make a catch a NON-REVIEWABLE JUDGEMENT CALL

Games would be so much more fun to watch and so what? Lot's of things, like PI that often seem obvoious are judgement and nobody complains.

I can see why people are laughing.

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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
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Going for 2 there put them up 6 which does apply some pressure to opposoing kicker if ATL scores TD. Extra pts aren’t gimmies anymore....maybe that is what they were thinking.


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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
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StillerDownSouth wrote:
Going for 2 there put them up 6 which does apply some pressure to opposoing kicker if ATL scores TD. Extra pts aren’t gimmies anymore....maybe that is what they were thinking.

Ding ding ding! SDS for the win!

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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
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Nah, like B2B said, it was confusion on Philly's part, they wasted a timeout thinking about it. If Atlanta had come back that timeout may have been very important to retake the lead.

When you have to burn a timeout debating the merits of a two point attempt then you probably should not be doing it, period.

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 Post subject: Re: Opening Night - ATL @ PHI
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Scunge wrote:
Nah, like B2B said, it was confusion on Philly's part, they wasted a timeout thinking about it. If Atlanta had come back that timeout may have been very important to retake the lead.

When you have to burn a timeout debating the merits of a two point attempt then you probably should not be doing it, period.



They took the timeout cause they were still celebrating the TD while play clock was running.


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