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 Post subject: Re: Harvey Weinstein
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:35 am 
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I agree that your point is simple. Real simple.

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 Post subject: Re: Harvey Weinstein
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:53 am 
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Not sure if that's an insult or not, Lit. Forgive me for not over complicating it then. My daughters damn sure know how to identify a creep and defend/protect themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: Harvey Weinstein
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:09 pm 
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COR-TEN wrote:
I picture a terrified woman who has a media mogul cornering her in a hallway with her career on the line. Frozen. Waiting for it to be over, but hey, she got off watching it right? Fuck that.

And then there are the scores of "journalists" at fox who endure the same shit because their careers are more important than being ridiculed in court of public opinion, where they are surely going to lose.

Everybody is not the same, nor reacts the same. Not to mention history, current social climate, and a system that is patriarchal and expects women to be sexualized and objectified as the only way to succeed.

Jesus fucking christ. Have I read this thread right?


Bingo. Christ, you guys are part of the problem. You enable shit like this by ridiculing victims when they come forward.

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 Post subject: Re: Harvey Weinstein
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:10 pm 
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Steelafan77 wrote:
My point is simple actually. Walk the fuck away. Get physical if need be. Kick a pervert right in the sack. Stomp on a motherfuckers foot with those stilettos and run the other way. If I was a woman and some piece of shit gropes me..., motherfucker is pulling back a stump. No career is worth degrading yourself for. If you're meant to be a big hollywierd model/star it will happen one way or another. Secondly, why wait for the bandwagon to cruise by to get on. Start your own bandwagon by exposing this freak pervert for who he is..., a sick demented predator that needs to be erased. Since you waited till others came forward your story comes across as less reputable whether it's true or fabricated doesn't matter now. Women are objectified and preyed upon because this society demands it and celebrates it. Any commercial on TV has some sort of sexual motive going as an attention getter. Usually a super beautiful young woman in her prime. Not saying it's right but it is what it is..., acceptable. Also ladies, instead of playing the victim expecting people to feel sorry for you eliminate the problem. Don't put yourself in compromising situations or learn how to get out of them as they unfold. Empower yourselves ladies. Don't take some gross fat fucks shit and then wait till others decide to join forces to bring him down. Take him down yourself. Playing the victim is for weaklings. You victimize yourself when you play the hapless victim. When you are empowered you show others they can also be empowered and shit like this could just possibly happen less and less. /rant


Yes, do all of that, when it's one of the most powerful men in your (or any) industry. Come on. You sound like a keyboard warrior who has these sort of "take down the man" fantasies but when your boss comes by and says "you're working overtime tonight because I'm taking your wife out" you say "yes sir."

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 Post subject: Re: Harvey Weinstein
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Woe is me. Now who will I impress on the internet?


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 Post subject: Re: Harvey Weinstein
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Steelafan77 wrote:
Woe is me. Now who will I impress on the internet?


Seriously....these strong, feminist women just looked the other way when it mattered? When they could actually make a difference? Hypocrisy at it's finest.

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 Post subject: Re: Harvey Weinstein
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Kodiak wrote:
Steelafan77 wrote:
Woe is me. Now who will I impress on the internet?


Seriously....these strong, feminist women just looked the other way when it mattered? When they could actually make a difference? Hypocrisy at it's finest.


You should be on Cosby's defense team! :lol:

They might be cowards rather than hypocrites.

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 Post subject: Re: Harvey Weinstein
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:03 am 
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Still Lit wrote:
They might be cowards rather than hypocrites.


A distinction without a difference.

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 Post subject: Re: Harvey Weinstein
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:53 am 
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Kodiak wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
They might be cowards rather than hypocrites.


A distinction without a difference.


No, a coward and a hypocrite are not necessarily the same thing. That's intellectually lazy.

A coward may not think it right to be a coward and not expect others not to be cowards and because a coward is simply overwhelmed by the pain of danger to the extent that he or she is unable to do what is noble.

A hypocrite outwardly expresses beliefs that she or he inwardly does not really hold while expecting others to follow those outwardly expressed beliefs.

You act as if a person's inner life and motives are irrelevant.

Only someone who views ethics solely from the point of view of results would claim they are the same.

And I agree with you that these women were wrong not to speak out. But I am also not stupid enough to ignore the particulars of the given situation before issuing generalized blanket statements.

Because the point, Kodiak, is that speaking out against sexual harassment is never wrong.

What are you more offended by? Being called sexist or racist or the existence of actual racism and sexism? I sure hope it's the latter.

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 Post subject: Re: Harvey Weinstein
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:44 am 
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My take is he is the real life Les Grossman from Tropic Thunder

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