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Looks like a couple decent Sci-Fi movies coming out this year..

Life and God Particle, which I believe will be Cloverfield 2.


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Speaking of Luca Brasi, time for Tarantino to take a stab at an Italian mob movie.

In the book Godfather, there's a subplot about a Sicilian family that was too vicious even for the American mobs. They made their living in America as hostages during Mafia meetings. This is right up his alley.

http://godfather.wikia.com/wiki/Bocchicchio_clan

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/heres-your-first-official-look-at-the-oceans-8-crew-including-sandra-bullock-cate-blanchett-and-rihanna-125840434.html

A reboot of a remake of a not very good 1961 movie. (Sorry, Frank, even Jilly agrees.)

Guess they didn't learn anything from Ghostbusters? Who the hell greenlighted that?

Everything is recycled and what is not is comic book level crap.

With the exception of certain creative projects like La La Land which was good, not great, and certainly not West Side Story or Singin in the Rain or even Les Miz.

I think the occasional great TV series like Breaking Bad or Black Mirror or Silicon Valley are killing movies.

To risk sounding Trumpian-- this is almost 100% about China. The US box office numbers are staggering off a cliff, while the total of all other countries in the world excluding US & China is holding pretty steady with some growth here and there. China box office is around 10 times what it was 5-7 years ago. So. Hollywood makes movies with universal jokes (farts and crapping one's pants and the underling's making fun of superiors), fancy cgi and pictures, and broad themes that can be understood and not lost in translation. Making films like that has the side benefits of being palatable to undereducated and simplistic thinking American people AND it provides incredible cross-marketing and merchandising revenue streams. Most of those Chinese have never seen classic American films, so remaking them is a no-brainer.

Personally, I can't think of worse movies to make, but it does create a lot of jobs.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/heres-your-first-official-look-at-the-oceans-8-crew-including-sandra-bullock-cate-blanchett-and-rihanna-125840434.html

A reboot of a remake of a not very good 1961 movie. (Sorry, Frank, even Jilly agrees.)

Guess they didn't learn anything from Ghostbusters? Who the hell greenlighted that?

Everything is recycled and what is not is comic book level crap.

With the exception of certain creative projects like La La Land which was good, not great, and certainly not West Side Story or Singin in the Rain or even Les Miz.

I think the occasional great TV series like Breaking Bad or Black Mirror or Silicon Valley are killing movies.

To risk sounding Trumpian-- this is almost 100% about China. The US box office numbers are staggering off a cliff, while the total of all other countries in the world excluding US & China is holding pretty steady with some growth here and there. China box office is around 10 times what it was 5-7 years ago. So. Hollywood makes movies with universal jokes (farts and crapping one's pants and the underling's making fun of superiors), fancy cgi and pictures, and broad themes that can be understood and not lost in translation. Making films like that has the side benefits of being palatable to undereducated and simplistic thinking American people AND it provides incredible cross-marketing and merchandising revenue streams. Most of those Chinese have never seen classic American films, so remaking them is a no-brainer.

Personally, I can't think of worse movies to make, but it does create a lot of jobs.


So what's the excuse of the remakes being all women? I'm expecting Jane Bond 007 anytime now.

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The excuse for the feminist remakes is that too many studio executives are angry middle aged women...the worst demographic for a sense of humor or even style.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
The excuse for the feminist remakes is that too many studio executives are angry middle aged women...the worst demographic for a sense of humor or even style.


In their defense, dealing with screaming toddlers and angsty teenage children tends to reorder priorities. If I were a middle aged mother, I'd probably enjoy the fantasy.

I wonder how outraged we'd be if Thelma and Louise were remade with men in the leading roles. Probably not nearly as much.

That said, most of the remakes are tragedies. I'm still angry about the Total Recall do-over. Unforgivable!

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Still Lit wrote:
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
The excuse for the feminist remakes is that too many studio executives are angry middle aged women...the worst demographic for a sense of humor or even style.


In their defense, dealing with screaming toddlers and angsty teenage children tends to reorder priorities. If I were a middle aged mother, I'd probably enjoy the fantasy.

I wonder how outraged we'd be if Thelma and Louise were remade with men in the leading roles. Probably not nearly as much.

That said, most of the remakes are tragedies. I'm still angry about the Total Recall do-over. Unforgivable!


If that happened, you bet your ass jezebel or whatever other woman online rags would be bitching up a storm. It's not happening though.


BTW, I watched the movie Passengers on Kodi the other day. I was actually entertained. I saw it got shit reviews but i liked it. Don't pay to watch it, but for free I liked it ok.

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Still Lit wrote:
In their defense, dealing with screaming toddlers and angsty teenage children tends to reorder priorities. If I were a middle aged mother, I'd probably enjoy the fantasy.
And you entertain and legitimize a baseless, sexist, ignorant, narrow minded, infantile, misogynistic comment with a response?

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The excuse for the feminist remakes is that too many studio executives are angry middle aged women...the worst demographic for a sense of humor or even style.


In their defense, dealing with screaming toddlers and angsty teenage children tends to reorder priorities. If I were a middle aged mother, I'd probably enjoy the fantasy.

I wonder how outraged we'd be if Thelma and Louise were remade with men in the leading roles. Probably not nearly as much.

That said, most of the remakes are tragedies. I'm still angry about the Total Recall do-over. Unforgivable!


If that happened, you bet your ass jezebel or whatever other woman online rags would be bitching up a storm. It's not happening though.


BTW, I watched the movie Passengers on Kodi the other day. I was actually entertained. I saw it got shit reviews but i liked it. Don't pay to watch it, but for free I liked it ok.


I don't doubt a large number of women would complain. My point, however, is that probably a lot of the men who howled so much about the Ghostbuster remake with female leads would largely shrug their shoulders about a Thelma and Louise redo with male leads. You know, bc...

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Still Lit wrote:
I don't doubt a large number of women would complain. My point, however, is that probably a lot of the men who howled so much about the Ghostbuster remake with female leads would largely shrug their shoulders about a Thelma and Louise redo with male leads. You know, bc...
What exactly is your point? At best you are highlighting a double standard, but it's not entirely clear.

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I don't doubt a large number of women would complain. My point, however, is that probably a lot of the men who howled so much about the Ghostbuster remake with female leads would largely shrug their shoulders about a Thelma and Louise redo with male leads. You know, bc...
What exactly is your point? At best you are highlighting a double standard, but it's not entirely clear.


I don't know what his point is. I'm highlighting the need to appease one's mad up inner guilt by making movies catering and pandering to female audiences. They are destined to fail horribly, but somewhere, somebody feels good about themselves for putting it out there.

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I am big TCM fan over going to the movies anymore.


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LOL....saw a blurb that a re-make of The Matrix is in the works. I mean, c'mon, the last one was only released 14 years ago.

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I don't know what his point is. I'm highlighting the need to appease one's mad up inner guilt by making movies catering and pandering to female audiences. They are destined to fail horribly, but somewhere, somebody feels good about themselves for putting it out there.
Just curious. So you don't think adolescents masquerading as men jerking themselves off in corner offices don't pander to the 18-34 year old male with smash 'em up, pointless, mind numbing, movies with scantily clad women? Or locker room juvenile humor movies with the mentality of an 8 year old aimed at the under 24 year old demographic?

RE : The Matrix. Considering the political climate, alternate 'facts," and contrived realities, it seems the Matrix narrative is ripe for exploitation. Easy script, throw some CGI money at it, and you'll have hundreds of millions of dollars in no time. Selling it to mindless, vacuous, consumer driven idiots who have been taught by free markets that they can have everything they want whenever they want it - for a price.

And in all likelihood, a shitty remake with no imagination as well.

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RE : The Matrix. Considering the political climate, alternate 'facts," and contrived realities, it seems the Matrix narrative is ripe for exploitation. Easy script, throw some CGI money at it, and you'll have hundreds of millions of dollars in no time. Selling it to mindless, vacuous, consumer driven idiots who have been taught by free markets that they can have everything they want whenever they want it - for a price.



I agree it will appeal to many who believe bigger government is the answer to "evil, greedy" corporations. But, of course, the similarities between the Matrix alternate reality and empty government promises will elude most.

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I guess with the success of the Beauty and the Beast live action reboot, we can expect Disney's creative minds will be pretty much tied up with live action reboots of everything from Snow White through their entire catalog for probably the next twenty years.

I can't say I'd argue with that if I were in charge.

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I don't really get the hand wringing over Hollywood. The major studios are no different from the major record companies. They push shit that appeals widely to make money. But the wider the appeal, the less interesting. Good film, like good music, is easily available should you go looking for it.

Hey Dan, you may find this of interest. I bought it, but have not had a chance yet to view it.

https://www.reelhouse.org/spiegel/timeremembered

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Bill Evans never produced anything half-assed, and I can't even say that about Sinatra.

The good news is with the Internet, you can just ignore all the hype and find something good somewhere like that documentary.

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No definitely not remake. But a movie in that genre. I agree Bullit is untouchable. The Tao of Steve cannot be fucked with.


Much of my wardrobe is modeled after McQueen's look in Bullitt and elsewhere. I'm not joking. Unfortunately, I drive a Honda Fit, which somewhat detracts from the full aura. :lol:

Great talk fellers. So much to say on these rich topics. Steve's #1 in my book.

Have you guys seen Fincher's film Zodiac? (also very good, IMO) At one point, Robert Downey's character addresses the detective played by Mark Ruffalo by saying, "Hey, Bullitt," alluding to the fact that Steve McQueen had met with the actual SFPD detective back in '68 while preparing for his role as Det. Frank Bullitt. McQ even incorporated the real detective's penchant for the turtleneck/sportscoat look w/shoulder holster into his own ultra-style domination.

[Small aside, Lit, on your "aura-deficit" of Honda vs. Mustang: nearly as deep as my Pirates/Steelers love, I'm a classic (1960 - 1971) Dodge & Plymouth guy. I've read interviews with the Bullitt production crew on how difficult it was to work with McQueen's choice of car, the admittedly bitchen-looking Mustang GT, which needed major chassis, engine and brake overhauling and modifications in order to beef it up enough to handle the abuse of "the chase". The Charger R/T, on the other hand, had to be purchased cash by chase coordinator Max Balchowski because the Fords provided to Warner Brothers "wouldn't stand a chance of surviving" the chase filming. They actually had to "handicap" the Charger with skinnier tires and minimal engine and chassis enhancement, yet still had trouble keeping the 440-powered Dodge from running away from the Mustang, as McQueen and director Peter Yates insisted on realism and minimal "effects" in filming the stunts. I still laugh every time Ford issues another "commemorative Bullitt model" Mustang or, as on a recent Blue Bloods episode, everyone gushes over the incredible Mustang that "won" the famous chase, when in reality it was cinematic fiddling-about + McQueen and "the look" that were the winners.]

Also, if you've never seen the film Dan referred to -- Tao of Steve -- it was a funny nod to the coolness and overwhelming conquest of the female psyche possessed of several Steves, especially McQ.



Thank you Kevin Marti

http://fortune.com/2017/03/07/ford-must ... -junkyard/

The Ford Mustang Steve McQueen Drove in ‘Bullitt’ Has Been Found In a Mexican Junkyard

The 1968 Ford (f, +2.09%) Mustang whose tires smoked and screamed over San Francisco hills in the cult movie Bullitt has been recovered from a Mexican junk yard.
The iconic car—driven by Steve McQueen's titular crack-detective Frank Bullitt—was long regarded as the one that got away. Hollywood legend had long held it was junked soon after filming wrapped, Fox news reports, but multiple overlays of the 'Stang's iconic Highland Green paint job suggest it lived a few more lives before winding up at the yard.

Ford expert Kevin Marti, who last week traveled to Mexicali to inspect the car, confirmed the find: “I’m 100% sure it’s authentic,” he told Fox News.
The car was reportedly a shadow of its former self when it was recovered from a junk yard about a year ago in Baha California Sur. The man who purchased the wreck had planned to fix it up to resemble another classic movie Mustang: “Eleanor” from Gone in 60 Seconds.

It was only later, at the Mexicali custom car shop that was supposed to do the work, that he discovered he had something special on his hands.


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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
I guess with the success of the Beauty and the Beast live action reboot, we can expect Disney's creative minds will be pretty much tied up with live action reboots of everything from Snow White through their entire catalog for probably the next twenty years.

I can't say I'd argue with that if I were in charge.

People suck.


Disney is another matter. Most of their stuff is based on extending the copyright and selling merchandise. Compare Beauty and the Beast with Maleficent. Both live action reboots. One just retells the animated version with almost nothing new and the other is a completely new look at Sleeping Beauty.

Yes. I have seen all of the Disney remakes. I have two pre-teen girls who Disney targets with power marketing. They are on the backside of their princess targeted age group so now they get the pull of their evil teen shows and music.

Pixar used to be innovative until Disney bought/merged with them. Now they are a long line of Cars V Planes II Toy Story XX. It is one reason they did not win the Oscar this year ( not that I trust the Oscar voters very much). Zootopia was an innovative story.

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Tarantino takes lower grade genres of film like Blaxploitation, Martial Arts and even Grindhouse and elevates them to a whole new level through superior dialogue and writing. Even though partially derivative, it is creative.


This is debatable. I'll grant you that the grindhouse inspired flicks are elevated, but the Blaxploitation, Martial Arts, Spaghetti Westerns? I don't know. There are some effing gems in those genera. Tarantino ain't topping Sergio Leone.


Agreed.

Question to all, if that comment that all but 4 Rooms are derivative in some fashion what was the source for Hateful 8?

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Yeah as really they are running out of original ideas.

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