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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:38 pm 
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For once I agree with Cor-Ten. Also, the average us moviegoer is a 14-15 year old male so material is geared to that mind set. I think in the future the Manchester by the Seas are going straight to TV.

I have no disagreement with Lit about Spaghetti Westerns, but these were always critically held in higher regard than Blaxploitation or Grindhouse. I think Tarantino would be the first to admit Once Upon the Time in the West is a top five film of ALL TIME. He very consciously paid homage to it in the finale of Kill Bill 1.

I would like to see a Tarantino take on the menacing outlaw biker gang films of the sixties. This would be right up his alley.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw_biker_film

And I love The Wild Angels.

Also, I think he'd do a great take on the Death Wish revenge films of Bronson. Tarantino is a master of revenge film, as he proved in Bastards and Django.

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Dan, have you ever watched the original Django (there are like 40 of them)?

How do you top a guy who drags a gatling gun around in a coffin? :lol:



The Django title song is fucking boss, too.


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Tarantino showed some talent for non CGI car chases in Deathproof. Like to also see him take a stab at a Bullit (see my sig) type movie before stuntman (or woman, Zoe Bell shoutout) car chases are completely eliminated in Hollywood. The chase in Ronin and Terminator 2 were exemplary. The car chase in the comedy What's Up Doc is a masterwork and beats any CGI crap today.

Speaking of bad CGI, that Great Wall of China movie with Matt Damon looks like a flaming turd on arrival.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Tarantino showed some talent for non CGI car chases in Deathproof. Like to also see him take a stab at a Bullit (see my sig) movie before stuntman (or woman, Zoe Bell shoutout) car chases are completely eliminated in Hollywood. The chase in Ronin and Terminator 2 were exemplary. The car chase in the comedy What's Up Doc is a masterwork and beats any CGI crap today.

Speaking of bad CGI, that Great Wall of China movie with Matt Damon looks like a flaming turd on arrival.


WTF. You bitch about Ghostbusters but you want a Bullit remake?

No no no no.

That's a stone cold McQueen Classic. Any attempt to remake it will fail, IMO.

EDIT: saw my reading comprehension fail; you meant a Bullit type of film not a remake. Sorry!

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No definitely not remake. But a movie in that genre. I agree Bullit is untouchable. The Tao of Steve cannot be fucked with.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
No definitely not remake. But a movie in that genre. I agree Bullit is untouchable. The Tao of Steve cannot be fucked with.


Much of my wardrobe is modeled after McQueen's look in Bullitt and elsewhere. I'm not joking. Unfortunately, I drive a Honda Fit, which somewhat detracts from the full aura. :lol:

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
No definitely not remake. But a movie in that genre. I agree Bullit is untouchable. The Tao of Steve cannot be fucked with.


Much of my wardrobe is modeled after McQueen's look in Bullitt and elsewhere. I'm not joking. Unfortunately, I drive a Honda Fit, which somewhat detracts from the full aura. :lol:

Great talk fellers. So much to say on these rich topics. Steve's #1 in my book.

Have you guys seen Fincher's film Zodiac? (also very good, IMO) At one point, Robert Downey's character addresses the detective played by Mark Ruffalo by saying, "Hey, Bullitt," alluding to the fact that Steve McQueen had met with the actual SFPD detective back in '68 while preparing for his role as Det. Frank Bullitt. McQ even incorporated the real detective's penchant for the turtleneck/sportscoat look w/shoulder holster into his own ultra-style domination.

[Small aside, Lit, on your "aura-deficit" of Honda vs. Mustang: nearly as deep as my Pirates/Steelers love, I'm a classic (1960 - 1971) Dodge & Plymouth guy. I've read interviews with the Bullitt production crew on how difficult it was to work with McQueen's choice of car, the admittedly bitchen-looking Mustang GT, which needed major chassis, engine and brake overhauling and modifications in order to beef it up enough to handle the abuse of "the chase". The Charger R/T, on the other hand, had to be purchased cash by chase coordinator Max Balchowski because the Fords provided to Warner Brothers "wouldn't stand a chance of surviving" the chase filming. They actually had to "handicap" the Charger with skinnier tires and minimal engine and chassis enhancement, yet still had trouble keeping the 440-powered Dodge from running away from the Mustang, as McQueen and director Peter Yates insisted on realism and minimal "effects" in filming the stunts. I still laugh every time Ford issues another "commemorative Bullitt model" Mustang or, as on a recent Blue Bloods episode, everyone gushes over the incredible Mustang that "won" the famous chase, when in reality it was cinematic fiddling-about + McQueen and "the look" that were the winners.]

Also, if you've never seen the film Dan referred to -- Tao of Steve -- it was a funny nod to the coolness and overwhelming conquest of the female psyche possessed of several Steves, especially McQ.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Tarantino showed some talent for non CGI car chases in Deathproof. Like to also see him take a stab at a Bullit (see my sig) type movie before stuntman (or woman, Zoe Bell shoutout) car chases are completely eliminated in Hollywood. The chase in Ronin and Terminator 2 were exemplary. The car chase in the comedy What's Up Doc is a masterwork and beats any CGI crap today.

Speaking of bad CGI, that Great Wall of China movie with Matt Damon looks like a flaming turd on arrival.


Holy shit. I stumbled across the trailer for the Great Wall movie and thought it had to be a joke. Matt Damon starring as some kick ass Chinese hero with superpowers fighting enemies in a fictitious ancient China. What the hell could go wrong there? :lol:

And Damon actually likens himself as some super-intellectual.

I also see he was catching shit from the PC snowflakes for whitewashing a Chinese movie. :lol:

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You have to go back to Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffanys to find such bad Asian casting. No, actually Matt Damon is worse because he's the main character. That movie is going to win every Golden Raspberry I predict.

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Lit, are you telling us you're double packing heat underneath a courduroy jacket?

Bissett's looks were beyond ridiculously hot:

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I had special dual holsters made for two Montblancs I pack.

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Looks like a couple decent Sci-Fi movies coming out this year..

Life and God Particle, which I believe will be Cloverfield 2.


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Speaking of Luca Brasi, time for Tarantino to take a stab at an Italian mob movie.

In the book Godfather, there's a subplot about a Sicilian family that was too vicious even for the American mobs. They made their living in America as hostages during Mafia meetings. This is right up his alley.

http://godfather.wikia.com/wiki/Bocchicchio_clan

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Steve and a Porsche 917

If there is a picture cooler than that, please post it.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/heres-your-first-official-look-at-the-oceans-8-crew-including-sandra-bullock-cate-blanchett-and-rihanna-125840434.html

A reboot of a remake of a not very good 1961 movie. (Sorry, Frank, even Jilly agrees.)

Guess they didn't learn anything from Ghostbusters? Who the hell greenlighted that?

Everything is recycled and what is not is comic book level crap.

With the exception of certain creative projects like La La Land which was good, not great, and certainly not West Side Story or Singin in the Rain or even Les Miz.

I think the occasional great TV series like Breaking Bad or Black Mirror or Silicon Valley are killing movies.

To risk sounding Trumpian-- this is almost 100% about China. The US box office numbers are staggering off a cliff, while the total of all other countries in the world excluding US & China is holding pretty steady with some growth here and there. China box office is around 10 times what it was 5-7 years ago. So. Hollywood makes movies with universal jokes (farts and crapping one's pants and the underling's making fun of superiors), fancy cgi and pictures, and broad themes that can be understood and not lost in translation. Making films like that has the side benefits of being palatable to undereducated and simplistic thinking American people AND it provides incredible cross-marketing and merchandising revenue streams. Most of those Chinese have never seen classic American films, so remaking them is a no-brainer.

Personally, I can't think of worse movies to make, but it does create a lot of jobs.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/heres-your-first-official-look-at-the-oceans-8-crew-including-sandra-bullock-cate-blanchett-and-rihanna-125840434.html

A reboot of a remake of a not very good 1961 movie. (Sorry, Frank, even Jilly agrees.)

Guess they didn't learn anything from Ghostbusters? Who the hell greenlighted that?

Everything is recycled and what is not is comic book level crap.

With the exception of certain creative projects like La La Land which was good, not great, and certainly not West Side Story or Singin in the Rain or even Les Miz.

I think the occasional great TV series like Breaking Bad or Black Mirror or Silicon Valley are killing movies.

To risk sounding Trumpian-- this is almost 100% about China. The US box office numbers are staggering off a cliff, while the total of all other countries in the world excluding US & China is holding pretty steady with some growth here and there. China box office is around 10 times what it was 5-7 years ago. So. Hollywood makes movies with universal jokes (farts and crapping one's pants and the underling's making fun of superiors), fancy cgi and pictures, and broad themes that can be understood and not lost in translation. Making films like that has the side benefits of being palatable to undereducated and simplistic thinking American people AND it provides incredible cross-marketing and merchandising revenue streams. Most of those Chinese have never seen classic American films, so remaking them is a no-brainer.

Personally, I can't think of worse movies to make, but it does create a lot of jobs.


So what's the excuse of the remakes being all women? I'm expecting Jane Bond 007 anytime now.

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The excuse for the feminist remakes is that too many studio executives are angry middle aged women...the worst demographic for a sense of humor or even style.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
The excuse for the feminist remakes is that too many studio executives are angry middle aged women...the worst demographic for a sense of humor or even style.


In their defense, dealing with screaming toddlers and angsty teenage children tends to reorder priorities. If I were a middle aged mother, I'd probably enjoy the fantasy.

I wonder how outraged we'd be if Thelma and Louise were remade with men in the leading roles. Probably not nearly as much.

That said, most of the remakes are tragedies. I'm still angry about the Total Recall do-over. Unforgivable!

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Still Lit wrote:
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
The excuse for the feminist remakes is that too many studio executives are angry middle aged women...the worst demographic for a sense of humor or even style.


In their defense, dealing with screaming toddlers and angsty teenage children tends to reorder priorities. If I were a middle aged mother, I'd probably enjoy the fantasy.

I wonder how outraged we'd be if Thelma and Louise were remade with men in the leading roles. Probably not nearly as much.

That said, most of the remakes are tragedies. I'm still angry about the Total Recall do-over. Unforgivable!


If that happened, you bet your ass jezebel or whatever other woman online rags would be bitching up a storm. It's not happening though.


BTW, I watched the movie Passengers on Kodi the other day. I was actually entertained. I saw it got shit reviews but i liked it. Don't pay to watch it, but for free I liked it ok.

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In their defense, dealing with screaming toddlers and angsty teenage children tends to reorder priorities. If I were a middle aged mother, I'd probably enjoy the fantasy.
And you entertain and legitimize a baseless, sexist, ignorant, narrow minded, infantile, misogynistic comment with a response?

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The excuse for the feminist remakes is that too many studio executives are angry middle aged women...the worst demographic for a sense of humor or even style.


In their defense, dealing with screaming toddlers and angsty teenage children tends to reorder priorities. If I were a middle aged mother, I'd probably enjoy the fantasy.

I wonder how outraged we'd be if Thelma and Louise were remade with men in the leading roles. Probably not nearly as much.

That said, most of the remakes are tragedies. I'm still angry about the Total Recall do-over. Unforgivable!


If that happened, you bet your ass jezebel or whatever other woman online rags would be bitching up a storm. It's not happening though.


BTW, I watched the movie Passengers on Kodi the other day. I was actually entertained. I saw it got shit reviews but i liked it. Don't pay to watch it, but for free I liked it ok.


I don't doubt a large number of women would complain. My point, however, is that probably a lot of the men who howled so much about the Ghostbuster remake with female leads would largely shrug their shoulders about a Thelma and Louise redo with male leads. You know, bc...

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I don't doubt a large number of women would complain. My point, however, is that probably a lot of the men who howled so much about the Ghostbuster remake with female leads would largely shrug their shoulders about a Thelma and Louise redo with male leads. You know, bc...
What exactly is your point? At best you are highlighting a double standard, but it's not entirely clear.

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I don't doubt a large number of women would complain. My point, however, is that probably a lot of the men who howled so much about the Ghostbuster remake with female leads would largely shrug their shoulders about a Thelma and Louise redo with male leads. You know, bc...
What exactly is your point? At best you are highlighting a double standard, but it's not entirely clear.


I don't know what his point is. I'm highlighting the need to appease one's mad up inner guilt by making movies catering and pandering to female audiences. They are destined to fail horribly, but somewhere, somebody feels good about themselves for putting it out there.

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