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 Post subject: Re: GORUCK (fitness related)
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:25 pm 
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The fact that the last machine guy doing crazy weight probably weighs 230 and the gymnast is probably 5'5 150 lbs helps a little too.

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 Post subject: Re: GORUCK (fitness related)
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:37 pm 
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Steelafan77 wrote:
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People must be really unmotivated to get shape on their own these days. So many goddamn gimmicks everywhere you look. At the gym, in groups, crawling through the mud. This reminds me of something a bunch of white collar cubicle dwellers would do at a teamwork building retreat and then slap each other on the back about how badass it was. Basically people that hit 35 years old and realize they've never in their lives tasted real, intense competition of any sort. Yes, i'm a dick.


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Neither one of you are being a dick. Just your opinions. I like gimmicks. I'm tired of the same old same old.

I am Fat. I hate being Fat. I hate that I allowed myself to become Fat. I'm looking for a DIY approach. Instead of spending hard earned money while gaining little results and/or burning out before the 3rd month of the same old bullshit I did in high school for PE 25+ years ago.

I also Hike, Bike, Swim, Fish, Hunt, Football, Basketball and Softball, Hacky Sack, Skate Boarding anything to stay active. I could start running marathons like my 1 year younger brother did. Fuck That! Now that I'm in my 40's I find it a challenge to stay on top of those activities. You know with having to work for a living. Raising my last child of 5 children. Everyone I know also working for a living with little time for activities.

Just a newer concept I hadn't put much thought into and was already more or less doing something similar.



If you're truly that fat, then you might be thinking along the wrong lines. Unless you turn into a straight hunter gatherer, nothing you do will compensate for your diet. Run your ass off on a treadmill for 30 minutes see how many calories you burn. It's negligible. And the "afterburn" effect touted by HIIT people is bogus and doesn't exist.


I was part of a pretty interesting caloric tracking test in grad school. A college athlete wakes up at 730am in the morning, eats breakfast, lunch, and dinner then goes to football practice for instance. That same college athlete that wakes up at noon on a Sunday, hungover from drinking all night, orders a large pizza and eats it over the day with a liter of soda actually has a bigger calorie deficit.

Basically, you're better off sleeping all day and eating less, than exercising a lot more and eating the same if you want to drop lbs.

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 Post subject: Re: GORUCK (fitness related)
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:08 pm 
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I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps. Had an infantry MOS which meant in addition to boot camp and MCT (Marine Combat Training) which all Marines have to do, I had to go to School of Infantry as well.

Those "exercises" seem a bit too much like infantry school. So no thanks. That stuff is no fun.

And realistically, I'm not sure how much it ultimately accomplishes. That stuff is kinda "life of the infantryman" stuff and actually takes quite a toll on the body if done all the time.

Now a lil "boot camp" fitness thing won't and it will kick your ass so you definitely will feel like you get a workout. But as far as from a pure fitness aspect I'm not sure it's a great approach and tend to agree with those that said its a fad for people to feel "hardcore".

In one unit I was in, we went on a 25 mile hump every Friday when we weren't in the field training or deployed somewhere etc.

And that's 25 miles with full gear which is no picnic. Not sure I can say I ever felt like I got a good "workout" after those lil walks.

Instead, my back & shoulders were fucked up, the arches in my feet were falling from the constant pounding, blisters on top of blisters, dehydrated, and basically just beat the fuck up.

I think the most it accomplishes is the ability to endure it the next time you have to. And that's the purpose.

So if someone tried to coax me I to one of those things I think I'd simply decline. Been there and done that. Only for real.

I do have to say though, it will make you sweat and you will burn a shit ton of calories.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:26 pm 
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95 made exactly the point I was trying to make but mostly failed. Well said.

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 Post subject: Re: GORUCK (fitness related)
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:47 pm 
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I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps. Had an infantry MOS which meant in addition to boot camp and MCT (Marine Combat Training) which all Marines have to do, I had to go to School of Infantry as well.

Those "exercises" seem a bit too much like infantry school. So no thanks. That stuff is no fun.

And realistically, I'm not sure how much it ultimately accomplishes. That stuff is kinda "life of the infantryman" stuff and actually takes quite a toll on the body if done all the time.

Now a lil "boot camp" fitness thing won't and it will kick your ass so you definitely will feel like you get a workout. But as far as from a pure fitness aspect I'm not sure it's a great approach and tend to agree with those that said its a fad for people to feel "hardcore".

In one unit I was in, we went on a 25 mile hump every Friday when we weren't in the field training or deployed somewhere etc.

And that's 25 miles with full gear which is no picnic. Not sure I can say I ever felt like I got a good "workout" after those lil walks.

Instead, my back & shoulders were fucked up, the arches in my feet were falling from the constant pounding, blisters on top of blisters, dehydrated, and basically just beat the fuck up.

I think the most it accomplishes is the ability to endure it the next time you have to. And that's the purpose.

So if someone tried to coax me I to one of those things I think I'd simply decline. Been there and done that. Only for real.

I do have to say though, it will make you sweat and you will burn a shit ton of calories.


Yeah, and that's a perfectly valid point of view. Our classes are usually made up of about 50/50 former servicemen/weekend warriors, actually. I've spoken to several other former servicemen about it, and they definitely fall into one of two extremes. They're either the gung-ho "Hell Yeah!" group who actually got a kick out of doing that stuff in military and want to relive it, or they're like you and firmly entrenched in the "Nope. Did it once, never again". Group. And neither side is wrong. I think both views are valid. I don't take exception to that at all.


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 Post subject: Re: GORUCK (fitness related)
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I made a career in the Infantry and everyone in my office is a retired Infantryman. I like to think as a group, most of us are still pretty fit but we also have more shit wrong with us than most groups. Most have horrible backs, necks, hips and knees or a combination of all. It comes after years of doing that high impact marching in crappy boots, climbing, jumping (actually jumping is easy, it is the landings that suck) and other battle focused type exercise/events? We joke with one co-worker that he has no original parts left in his body. I wouldn't trade the experience or lifestyle but as you get older all that stuff catches up with you one way or the other.

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 Post subject: Re: GORUCK (fitness related)
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I totally left out the knees. Which is that part that bothers me most today.

My son pitches. It's a bitch for me to get in & out if a catchers stance so he can practice.

Stress fractures were a frequent occurrence.


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 Post subject: Re: GORUCK (fitness related)
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:39 am 
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R S wrote:

If you're truly that fat, then you might be thinking along the wrong lines. Unless you turn into a straight hunter gatherer, nothing you do will compensate for your diet. Run your ass off on a treadmill for 30 minutes see how many calories you burn. It's negligible. And the "afterburn" effect touted by HIIT people is bogus and doesn't exist.


I was part of a pretty interesting caloric tracking test in grad school. A college athlete wakes up at 730am in the morning, eats breakfast, lunch, and dinner then goes to football practice for instance. That same college athlete that wakes up at noon on a Sunday, hungover from drinking all night, orders a large pizza and eats it over the day with a liter of soda actually has a bigger calorie deficit.

Basically, you're better off sleeping all day and eating less, than exercising a lot more and eating the same if you want to drop lbs.


I believe I am fat. Although my wife tells me I look fine. Friends and family can't tell that I'm 217 pounds. They don't see me without a 2X shirt on either. When that comes off lets just say a pound of wet leather looks similar. I figure I should be around 175-180 for my height and age. Of course my BMI states I should weigh 155 pounds. So by BMI standards I am obese. Now I don't truly believe I'm obese cause I don't buy into the standard BMI charts anyways. Denile? :?

Around a decade ago I was a 30" waist at a solid 163 pounds. Felt good about taking my shirt off in public. Those were the days. As far as workout approaches I'm just looking for a change up from the usual/common gym type workout approach. I've tried several different things over the years, Nothing has stuck.

95, I have those same issues. Arches are hammered. I started out with a normal arch. Now I believe I'm flat footed. Knees are making noises and pops these days like a door hinge in need of lubing. Back is constantly aching and paining. Neck is constantly aching and paining me. All those years of heavy activities are finally catching up to me I guess. I'll play some B-ball perhaps a pick up game (tore my calf muscle couple years ago in a pick up game) or just shoot the ball around. I try to walk just to keep the atrophy at bay. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: GORUCK (fitness related)
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:41 am 
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Steelafan77 wrote:
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If you're truly that fat, then you might be thinking along the wrong lines. Unless you turn into a straight hunter gatherer, nothing you do will compensate for your diet. Run your ass off on a treadmill for 30 minutes see how many calories you burn. It's negligible. And the "afterburn" effect touted by HIIT people is bogus and doesn't exist.


I was part of a pretty interesting caloric tracking test in grad school. A college athlete wakes up at 730am in the morning, eats breakfast, lunch, and dinner then goes to football practice for instance. That same college athlete that wakes up at noon on a Sunday, hungover from drinking all night, orders a large pizza and eats it over the day with a liter of soda actually has a bigger calorie deficit.

Basically, you're better off sleeping all day and eating less, than exercising a lot more and eating the same if you want to drop lbs.


I believe I am fat. Although my wife tells me I look fine. Friends and family can't tell that I'm 217 pounds. They don't see me without a 2X shirt on either. When that comes off lets just say a pound of wet leather looks similar. I figure I should be around 175-180 for my height and age. Of course my BMI states I should weigh 155 pounds. So by BMI standards I am obese. Now I don't truly believe I'm obese cause I don't buy into the standard BMI charts anyways. Denile? :?

Around a decade ago I was a 30" waist at a solid 163 pounds. Felt good about taking my shirt off in public. Those were the days. As far as workout approaches I'm just looking for a change up from the usual/common gym type workout approach. I've tried several different things over the years, Nothing has stuck.

95, I have those same issues. Arches are hammered. I started out with a normal arch. Now I believe I'm flat footed. Knees are making noises and pops these days like a door hinge in need of lubing. Back is constantly aching and paining. Neck is constantly aching and paining me. All those years of heavy activities are finally catching up to me I guess. I'll play some B-ball perhaps a pick up game (tore my calf muscle couple years ago in a pick up game) or just shoot the ball around. I try to walk just to keep the atrophy at bay. :lol:


I think the standard BMI chart is bogus if you've ever done any weight training or played sports at any point in your entire life.


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 Post subject: Re: GORUCK (fitness related)
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:38 am 
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I think the standard BMI chart is bogus if you've ever done any weight training or played sports at any point in your entire life.



Yeah, it's meant for people who don't do anything. They basically threw together a proportion to try and use as a scare tactic to get people off their asses and do shit.

I actually have a pretty good story, about BMI. My cousin spent 6 years in the marines. After getting out, he got into a bunch of MMA training (and occasional fighting). He also works as a prison guard and enlisted in PA's HRT (Hostage Recovery Team) program and trains with those guys every few months.

Long story short, he was/is RIPPED. He's only 5'6", but was 215 pounds and looked like he was chiseled out of stone.

He gets a phone call one day. It's someone from his healthcare provider. They went through a health screening at work a few weeks prior, and they determined that his BMI was too high and that they wanted him to consult a weight specialist. He starts laughing his ass off at the lady and then explains all the things I just explained. The lady wasn't convinced. So he sent her a photo. He gets a reply from her with an apology and that the consultation won't be necessary.

So yeah, BMI is pointless.


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 Post subject: Re: GORUCK (fitness related)
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I've Never weighed what the BMI recommends. Not even close. Never bought into it either. My sister is in the medical field and informed me long ago BMI is bullshit. So I ask why have it? Why when I'm sitting in my doctors examining room (annually) I see it stuck to the wall? He believes I could get by at 190 but I'm thinking the 175-180 range. Vanity is a bitch. :lol:


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