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 Post subject: J.J. Watt to Pay For Funerals of Victims of Texas Shooting
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 5:29 am 
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Imagine that.

EDIT : Offered to pay.

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 Post subject: Re: J.J. Watt to Pay For Funerals of Victims of Texas Shooti
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 1:30 am 
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This is twice now he's stepped up to help his community. Maybe he's actually a great dude?

I'm not going to point out he's spending milions of his own money to do this while some of his colleagues are barely able to kneel for free.....

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Kodiak wrote:
This is twice now he's stepped up to help his community. Maybe he's actually a great dude?

I'm not going to point out he's spending milions of his own money to do this while some of his colleagues are barely able to kneel for free.....


Kaepernick has donated about $1 million dollars to charity.

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 Post subject: Re: J.J. Watt to Pay For Funerals of Victims of Texas Shooti
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Kaepernick has donated about $1 million dollars to charity.


I know, plus a lot of his time. He's not one of the guys I was referring to.

The NFL could and should have countered the whole thing with spotlights on what players were doing in their community. My suspicion is most of the kneelers had nothing to spotlight, which is why the NFL didn't do it.

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 Post subject: Re: J.J. Watt to Pay For Funerals of Victims of Texas Shooti
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My suspicion is that it was a big nothing burger until The Prez decided to tell them they can't do it.

I hope more people act like Watt in helping out their communities. he is using his status to call attention and raise money for local people who have suffered a tragedy. At least those tragedies that make the evening news.

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At least those tragedies that make the evening news.


LMFAO. There's literally like 100 innocent people "murdered" a year by cops. Half those victims are black. Out of 10M - ten MILLION - arrests annually. It's all fucking bullshit identity politics.

A white woman got her ass beat by cops over the weekend and you know what she said? "I probably shouldn't have resisted arrest". Well, no shit, that's usually the case.

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Kodiak wrote:
jebrick wrote:
At least those tragedies that make the evening news.


LMFAO. There's literally like 100 innocent people "murdered" a year by cops. Half those victims are black. Out of 10M - ten MILLION - arrests annually. It's all fucking bullshit identity politics.

A white woman got her ass beat by cops over the weekend and you know what she said? "I probably shouldn't have resisted arrest". Well, no shit, that's usually the case.


Without living in those communities I just cannot say. I think the vast majority of police are professional folks who at worst are subject to implicit bias no more than I am, but probably bettet aware of it and better at dealing with it.

But I have witnessed racist policing in a white upper middle clas neighborhood and dude was def a bad apple. Asshole arrested my black friend for no fucking reason. I know this to be true bc I was with my friend when it happened.

I don’t know that it is ALL identity politics. Surely some is.

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 Post subject: Re: J.J. Watt to Pay For Funerals of Victims of Texas Shooti
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Dem's and liberals traditionally look out for the poor and disenfranchised (usually African Americans, minorities, and/ or immigrants) with social safety nets, while conservatives and republicans aid the rich and well off. This much is fact. The right wing propaganda machine has labeled this " indentity politics" in order to characterize empathy and sense of community is using brown people as political pawns to attain power; denying institutional racism, or any racism / implicit bias doesn't exist to the degree it does..

And more for the sake of clarity :

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According to the post, an officer followed her after the encounter. "I asked them don't they have something better to do as cops than to stop people for underage drinking on the beach," she wrote. "The cop said, 'I was gonna let you go but now I'll write you up.' "

The officer asked Weinman for her name, which she refused to give, according to the post. She said the officer then informed her he was arresting her. "I tripped and fell and the cop tackled me to the ground and smashed my head into the sand," she wrote. "At that point I blacked out and fought any way possible trying to get up and push him off me."

"Yes, I know I should've gave him my name," she continued. "I was partly wrong in a way but I was scared."

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 Post subject: Re: J.J. Watt to Pay For Funerals of Victims of Texas Shooti
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:roll: Damm you people.

You could be discussing that a football player is reaching out to his community to help in a time of tragedy. How much money Watt has raised for flood victims or him reaching out to families to help in a bad time.

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jebrick wrote:
:roll: Damm you people.

You could be discussing that a football player is reaching out to his community to help in a time of tragedy. How much money Watt has raised for flood victims or him reaching out to families to help in a bad time.
I agree. I posted for the sake of clarity only.

You'd be surprised how many players reach out to thier communities. The bigger the name, the more money they have and the more likely you are to read about it. And you usually hear about players in your market only. Live somewhere where there is no NFL franchise, no feel good stories about players. I think it's great he did what he did. Unfortunately, people like to politicize everything.

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:roll: Damm you people.

You could be discussing that a football player is reaching out to his community to help in a time of tragedy. How much money Watt has raised for flood victims or him reaching out to families to help in a bad time.
I agree. I posted for the sake of clarity only.

You'd be surprised how many players reach out to thier communities. The bigger the name, the more money they have and the more likely you are to read about it. And you usually hear about players in your market only. Live somewhere where there is no NFL franchise, no feel good stories about players. I think it's great he did what he did. Unfortunately, people like to politicize everything.


If by clarity you mean your two cents...then yeah...mission accomplished. Don't get me wrong. I certainly agree the "right wing propaganda machine" downplays and in some cases outright ignores implicit bias. But being the centrist that I am I see liberal agenda being pushed hard as well and identity politics has been a very useful tool to rally their base against perceived political enemies. It is disgusting how the far left and and far right are at such odds that they refuse to meet even on issues that common ground exists because they just can't allow the other side any opportunity to claim a "win". And I echo jebrick's sentiment. JJ Watt seems to be a generally good human being. Good for him for helping people.

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...It is disgusting how the far left and and far right are at such odds that they refuse to meet even on issues that common ground exists because they just can't allow the other side any opportunity to claim a "win".


Yes. But I'm afraid this is the future where there are no good solutions to the few remaining real problems.

Politics is a path to wealth - which is a problem voters could actually fix but they choose not to. The fact that you can create groups/blocs that vote 60/70/80/90% for one party should make one question whether votes are actually a free, independent choice or something highly manipulated and influenced. I'm not sure it's even debatable that the average voter isn't making a conscious, informed choice - that's why campaign spending has a huge correlation with outcome.

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Kodiak wrote:
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...It is disgusting how the far left and and far right are at such odds that they refuse to meet even on issues that common ground exists because they just can't allow the other side any opportunity to claim a "win".


Yes. But I'm afraid this is the future where there are no good solutions to the few remaining real problems.

Politics is a path to wealth - which is a problem voters could actually fix but they choose not to. The fact that you can create groups/blocs that vote 60/70/80/90% for one party should make one question whether votes are actually a free, independent choice or something highly manipulated and influenced. I'm not sure it's even debatable that the average voter isn't making a conscious, informed choice - that's why campaign spending has a huge correlation with outcome.


eh.. i have a hard time blaming voters. The choices for voters in most elections are binary. Until 3rd parties and /or Independent candidates become viable voting options to the masses it will be this way. 3rd parties have such an uphill grind and we can shame the two major political parties for that. The Republican and Democrat political duopoly refuses to allow the slightest hope of recognition in the voters' eyes for 3rd parties. They've made ballot access laws terribly difficult and they just love taking 3rd parties to court to challenge their efforts. The limited resources that 3rd parties have get chewed up on 1) collecting signatures to gain ballon access, and 2) defending the validity of the signatures they collect. Third parties are forced to fight a war of attrition just to get a name on the ballot and that leaves them with absolutely no resources left to communicate their messages.

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SteelPro wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
SteelPro wrote:
...It is disgusting how the far left and and far right are at such odds that they refuse to meet even on issues that common ground exists because they just can't allow the other side any opportunity to claim a "win".


Yes. But I'm afraid this is the future where there are no good solutions to the few remaining real problems.

Politics is a path to wealth - which is a problem voters could actually fix but they choose not to. The fact that you can create groups/blocs that vote 60/70/80/90% for one party should make one question whether votes are actually a free, independent choice or something highly manipulated and influenced. I'm not sure it's even debatable that the average voter isn't making a conscious, informed choice - that's why campaign spending has a huge correlation with outcome.


eh.. i have a hard time blaming voters. The choices for voters in most elections are binary. Until 3rd parties and /or Independent candidates become viable voting options to the masses it will be this way. 3rd parties have such an uphill grind and we can shame the two major political parties for that. The Republican and Democrat political duopoly refuses to allow the slightest hope of recognition in the voters' eyes for 3rd parties. They've made ballot access laws terribly difficult and they just love taking 3rd parties to court to challenge their efforts. The limited resources that 3rd parties have get chewed up on 1) collecting signatures to gain ballon access, and 2) defending the validity of the signatures they collect. Third parties are forced to fight a war of attrition just to get a name on the ballot and that leaves them with absolutely no resources left to communicate their messages.


Not only that, but look how hard the Reps/Dems fought against Gary Johnson to even GET ON TV so he could debate with them.
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Single issue voting and social media news bubbles, far more than campaign spending, create homogeneous voting blocks.


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Single issue voting and social media news bubbles, far more than campaign spending, create homogeneous voting blocks.


I think that's somewhat circular logic - IMO campaign spending, which uses social media heavily, is how you create single issue voters. Like 80% of the population votes EVERY R or D on nearly every ballot (at least federal) just about every time. The remainder usually split evenly enough such that elections really are about turning out "the base", which is why the rhetoric ramps up and both sides pretend like the other position is a global disaster in the making. I think that 80% are mostly single issue voters, and both parties have their 3-4 go-to "wedge issues" they hammer to turn out the base. And it works just like any other advertising - every time you ring that bell, you get more sales (and it costs money to ring that bell).

Every time people talk about the 2-party duopoly and campaign finance....I just don't see any govt around the world functioning any better so I don't think that's the problem.

You really want to screw with the election process, drop the "R" and "D" designation and scramble the names around!

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