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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:39 am 
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Haha “lost”. You are funny, I’ll give you that. You don’t know dick about hockey and while you are a die hard pens fan which I can respect, you are dumber than a box of rocks. Enjoy your Tröegs. I’ve had it; it’s good.


Dear Orange Crushed,

I know more than you do, that's for sure. Most surefire sign of a casual fan is the 'highlight reel" fan. IE, the guy notices the high profile misses and makes, and bases on his opinion only on those plays.

Guy plays a solid game 95% of the time he's on the ice, but let's up that one bad play? "THAT MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKER SUCKS AND IS THE WORST PLAYER IN HOCKEY!!!11!!!!"

Sound familiar? I pulled a very similar quote from you in another thread.

But you know you're SO negative so you just SO hardcore.

PS, speed this up. I bought this beer for T-day dinner tomorrow. I'm enjoying it way too much., Also, Mad Elf is good, but it's no Belgian dark.


Lol casual fan. How long have you been skating?


Since 5 years old, actually. I can send you the google coordinates of the pond I learned on, if you like.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:40 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:50 am 
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Fuck you Letang you fucking idiot.

What a dumb penalty. Guy fucking sucks right now


I already said that my post was meant as what I consider obvious hyperbole. I know you're desperate ass will try and parse words and make this sound like something completely different....but it's not.

The fact of the matter remains that you got your panties up in bunch over a couple bad plays and tried to make Letnag look like a terrible defenseman, when, in fact, he was still better than a lot of defenseman out there. He just made some high profile bad passes and you, being the casual fan you are, made it out to be worse than it was.

He didn't "fucking suck". He was playing well below his capable level for sure, but he didn't "fucking suck", unless you're a know-nothing fan that insist that even bad play means the player who did it is absolutely terrible.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:51 am 
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
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Dear Orange Crushed,

I know more than you do, that's for sure. Most surefire sign of a casual fan is the 'highlight reel" fan. IE, the guy notices the high profile misses and makes, and bases on his opinion only on those plays.

Guy plays a solid game 95% of the time he's on the ice, but let's up that one bad play? "THAT MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKER SUCKS AND IS THE WORST PLAYER IN HOCKEY!!!11!!!!"

Sound familiar? I pulled a very similar quote from you in another thread.

But you know you're SO negative so you just SO hardcore.

PS, speed this up. I bought this beer for T-day dinner tomorrow. I'm enjoying it way too much., Also, Mad Elf is good, but it's no Belgian dark.


Lol casual fan. How long have you been skating?


Since 5 years old, actually. I can send you the google coordinates of the pond I learned on, if you like.


You want that pond GPS or not? This is the second time you've asked me if I play. Second time you've ignored my response. Methinks you don't like my answers.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:53 am 
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
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Fuck you Letang you fucking idiot.

What a dumb penalty. Guy fucking sucks right now


I already said that my post was meant as what I consider obvious hyperbole. I know you're desperate ass will try and parse words and make this sound like something completely different....but it's not.

The fact of the matter remains that you got your panties up in bunch over a couple bad plays and tried to make Letnag look like a terrible defenseman, when, in fact, he was still better than a lot of defenseman out there. He just made some high profile bad passes and you, being the casual fan you are, made it out to be worse than it was.

He didn't "fucking suck". He was playing well below his capable level for sure, but he didn't "fucking suck", unless you're a know-nothing fan that insist that even bad play means the player who did it is absolutely terrible.


Uh, where did I say he’s the worst player in hockey? Yes, parsing words, sound familiar?


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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Great, you’ve skated since you were 5. Me, 4 years old. Still play?


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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Orangesteel wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:
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Fuck you Letang you fucking idiot.

What a dumb penalty. Guy fucking sucks right now


I already said that my post was meant as what I consider obvious hyperbole. I know you're desperate ass will try and parse words and make this sound like something completely different....but it's not.

The fact of the matter remains that you got your panties up in bunch over a couple bad plays and tried to make Letnag look like a terrible defenseman, when, in fact, he was still better than a lot of defenseman out there. He just made some high profile bad passes and you, being the casual fan you are, made it out to be worse than it was.

He didn't "fucking suck". He was playing well below his capable level for sure, but he didn't "fucking suck", unless you're a know-nothing fan that insist that even bad play means the player who did it is absolutely terrible.


Uh, where did I say he’s the worst player in hockey? Yes, parsing words, sound familiar?


Hahaha, so you didn't overreact to that play at all, in that quote? Riiiiiighhht.

Keep trying. I"m not out of beer yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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Orangesteel wrote:
Great, you’ve skated since you were 5. Me, 4 years old. Still play?


Answered that in the other thread you never replied to. Yes, I do still play.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:57 am 
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He absolutely did suck on that play. Watch it again.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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And did I say Kris Letang is the worst player in hockey?


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:59 am 
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Orangesteel wrote:
And did I say Kris Letang is the worst player in hockey?


Did you miss the part the part where I openly said it was obvious hyperbole? Do you need a dictionary?

You're SO bad at this. Keep trying to redirect. Please. It's fun.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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Haha listen to you now! Wow. Now THAT is funny.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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Orangesteel wrote:
Haha listen to you now! Wow. Now THAT is funny.


More deflection. Good try.

Not really.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:17 am 
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I can say one thing that screams true...... Lipps and Orange had a hell of a lot more fight in them last night than the Penguins.

Everyone is talking about a 3C need.

I’d rather drop Jake to 3C (as I suggested in the pre-season) and bring up Sprong soon to see if that sparks Sid.

I’d also start resting guys as they look slow with no passion.

If I am making a trade, I think it’s for a D-Man.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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I can say one thing that screams true...... Lipps and Orange had a hell of a lot more fight in them last night than the Penguins.

Everyone is talking about a 3C need.

I’d rather drop Jake to 3C (as I suggested in the pre-season) and bring up Sprong soon to see if that sparks Sid.

I’d also start resting guys as they look slow with no passion.

If I am making a trade, I think it’s for a D-Man.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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You guys will be besties come playoff time

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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We root for the same team. Can’t be all that bad.

Happy thanksgiving everyone.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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Suwanee88 wrote:
I can say one thing that screams true...... Lipps and Orange had a hell of a lot more fight in them last night than the Penguins.

Everyone is talking about a 3C need.

I’d rather drop Jake to 3C (as I suggested in the pre-season) and bring up Sprong soon to see if that sparks Sid.

I’d also start resting guys as they look slow with no passion.

If I am making a trade, I think it’s for a D-Man.


I see several problems with your scenario though I believe Gentzel would make a good Center.
First off, the Pens expect their 3/4 centers to be penalty killers. Gentzel is not a PK'er, at least not yet. That makes game time rosters precarious at best. If Gentzel can't play the PK then you have to keep a center around(McKegg) just for the PK. That limits the roster big time.
And the PK has been shit so far this year and moving Gentzel to 3 center only makes it worse.

Sprong must not be ready for the big time yet-others have been called up before him. I believe that Sully doesn't trust him defensively at the NHL level. He has spoken of that lack of trust in the media several times.

Pens need to add a third or maybe a fourth(bumping Sheahan) center to the roster and I just don't see that on the current roster. And that center needs to be a good PK'er like Bonino and Cullen were the past two years.

I wouldn't be opposed to changes on the blue line but remember this group won last year without Letang. I think Hunwick is the key here. If he can play big minutes then we are more solid back there. We haven't seen enough of Hunwick(injury) as a Pen to know if he is that key.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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I don't even know what to make of this team right now. Yea we were probably saying similar things last year - especially about Bonino sucking and concerns about the 3C spot. Difference this year is that we don't have Cullen to make up any deficiencies down the middle of the roster.

Until other shit gets figured out, Sid and Geno and Letang have to stabilize this team. Unfortunately that isn't happening right now. All of them are playing like middling level hockey players.

Even getting a better 4C would boost this team's chances to drive offense 5v5 because right now that isn't happening. This team has also been unbelievably unlucky with their shooting percentages... They're getting good looks just can't convert. What frightens me is that we might turn out like the kings of a few years ago where they dominated possession but shot a ridiculously low percentage the entire year! Ended up missing the playoffs. We have better shooters but it's still in the back of my mind. We've been really unlucky with bounces this year.. Just waiting for things to turn around and it's not happening yet


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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I don't even know what to make of this team right now. Yea we were probably saying similar things last year - especially about Bonino sucking and concerns about the 3C spot. Difference this year is that we don't have Cullen to make up any deficiencies down the middle of the roster.

Until other shit gets figured out, Sid and Geno and Letang have to stabilize this team. Unfortunately that isn't happening right now. All of them are playing like middling level hockey players.

Even getting a better 4C would boost this team's chances to drive offense 5v5 because right now that isn't happening. This team has also been unbelievably unlucky with their shooting percentages... They're getting good looks just can't convert. What frightens me is that we might turn out like the kings of a few years ago where they dominated possession but shot a ridiculously low percentage the entire year! Ended up missing the playoffs. We have better shooters but it's still in the back of my mind. We've been really unlucky with bounces this year.. Just waiting for things to turn around and it's not happening yet


If it's still happening in Jan/Feb I'll worry more.

Luckily save for Tampa the whole EC is not so good right now.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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If this group takes until Jan/Feb to get it figured out they will be dead in the water.

Donnie Brasco wrote:
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Even getting a better 4C would boost this team's chances to drive offense 5v5 because right now that isn't happening. This team has also been unbelievably unlucky with their shooting percentages... They're getting good looks just can't convert. What frightens me is that we might turn out like the kings of a few years ago where they dominated possession but shot a ridiculously low percentage the entire year! Ended up missing the playoffs. We have better shooters but it's still in the back of my mind. We've been really unlucky with bounces this year.. Just waiting for things to turn around and it's not happening yet


The Pens are currently filling the net at a 7.4% clip which would have put them in the bottom four last year. Goals per game this season finds them 27th. One big problem
The other is the goals difference-way too far to the wrong side for a squad like this. Yet the Pens have gotten off a 100 more shots then they have allowed.

The longest winning streak to date is 3 games. Let that sink in.

I'm down on this team for the moment because it isn't fun to watch them right now. I'll still tune them in every night but I just wish they could find a week, maybe two where we see the team that we know they can be.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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^ echo all of that. Also, we have yet to see the offensive explosion in the early months we’ve seen in years past. A game here and there in the first 2 months of the season where they score 5-6 goals, or even more, in a game.

It’s not that I think Geno, Phil and Cros have suddenly forgot how to score; what I think is that teams league wide have learned how to play us, and for the most part, shut us down. Our 3-4th lines look dreadfully slow. Their passing is bad. Unless Murray stands on his head our defense might be in a tough spot until D1 and D2 start clicking. This is why I don’t think we have the luxury of taking the early months off this year, or even hovering around .500 because as we’ve seen since the season started, we are going to get every team’s A+ game every night.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Canucks 11-22-17
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fractalsteel wrote:
Suwanee88 wrote:
I can say one thing that screams true...... Lipps and Orange had a hell of a lot more fight in them last night than the Penguins.

Everyone is talking about a 3C need.

I’d rather drop Jake to 3C (as I suggested in the pre-season) and bring up Sprong soon to see if that sparks Sid.

I’d also start resting guys as they look slow with no passion.

If I am making a trade, I think it’s for a D-Man.


I see several problems with your scenario though I believe Gentzel would make a good Center.
First off, the Pens expect their 3/4 centers to be penalty killers. Gentzel is not a PK'er, at least not yet. That makes game time rosters precarious at best. If Gentzel can't play the PK then you have to keep a center around(McKegg) just for the PK. That limits the roster big time.
And the PK has been shit so far this year and moving Gentzel to 3 center only makes it worse.

Sprong must not be ready for the big time yet-others have been called up before him. I believe that Sully doesn't trust him defensively at the NHL level. He has spoken of that lack of trust in the media several times.

Pens need to add a third or maybe a fourth(bumping Sheahan) center to the roster and I just don't see that on the current roster. And that center needs to be a good PK'er like Bonino and Cullen were the past two years.

I wouldn't be opposed to changes on the blue line but remember this group won last year without Letang. I think Hunwick is the key here. If he can play big minutes then we are more solid back there. We haven't seen enough of Hunwick(injury) as a Pen to know if he is that key.


I see several problems with the Penguins current scenarios. I think Jake can do anything, it’s worth the risk to inject more scoring in this lineup. But the big three are our only hope to turn this around - they must get better.

I like Sheahan. I think he is close. He is a good 4C.

I also love Hunwick.


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