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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:38 pm 
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
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I generally agree an enforcer is a wasted roster spot. However this year a 3 time Stanley Cup winning GM thought that roster spot was worth a gamble to try to do something to help a team that had lost more man games to injury than any other team over the last half decade. Maybe he should have consulted with the super genius first.


The same 3-time Stanley Cup-winning GM that hired a junior coach to manage the aspirations of a Stanley Cup contender with Evgeni Malkin and Sidney Crosby? The junior coach who hadn't sniffed an NHL head coaching position and whose meager NHL experience ended six years before getting hired. That one?

The same GM that traded for Jordan Staal and gave up huge assets, even though Staal had the Penguins over a barrel, declining their new contract offer and stating he wanted to play with his brother?

Seems like an easily identifiable, terrible mistake ended up being an easily identifiable, terrible mistake.

The league has been trending away from the goons and the "protectors." Maybe Reaves is "more" than that (lol), but he certainly came in to be a "goon" and "enforce" the game. All the interviews after the trade and even today are about that. This antiquated thought hasn't come to fruition as JR hoped. Surprise!

Bit of mental gymnastics there on the man games lost. Dating things back more than half a decade makes it even more questionable, as the Penguins roster was completely different and even employed more "tough guys" during that time frame than it does now.

Anyway, in order to bring that up as an argument, you'd have to assume:
A) A large chunk of injuries occurred because the Penguins stars or players in general were not being protected
B) If there were such a protector, the Penguins stars/players would not experience injuries

But those are falsehoods you know to be untrue that you're using to form an argument to make yourself feel better. You all lost because you were wrong. I was right. I will continue to let you know that.


Dude, You should definitely seek professional psychiatric help, because, while I don't give a rat's ass about your health, I don't want you killing a bunch of other innocent people one of these days when you explode.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:21 am 
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Hey, steel!

How are you doing, you dumbass retard?

Did you happen to see Ryan Reaves and his wonderful statline?

It went something like...

0 G
0 A
EVEN
7:22 TOI

Useless.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:23 am 
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This is easily one of the best threads in the history of the Pittsburgh Sports forum.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:24 am 
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Orangesteel wrote:
This is easily one of the best threads in the history of the Pittsburgh Sports forum.



For sure, but BEST OFFSEASON-HISTORY-WORLD-PIRATES or whatever it was is the greatest.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:39 pm 
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Reaves 2/15 vs. LAK
1 G
0 A
1 Pt
7:11 TOI
+1

Reaves was mostly awful in the first period, committing an awful offensive zone penalty on a poor forecheck. This was after he failed to score on a breakaway earlier in the game, though he was held up a bit. Reaves was able to use a quick shot to break the ice, which is actually the second time (Vegas game last week being the first) that he's drawn first blood for the team in a week. Kudos to Ryan for doing one of the things a 4th line player is supposed to do on the Penguins--score goals.

His season pace is now
79 GP
4 G
4 A
-13
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Here in the Ryan Reaves thread, we're about to embark on Aston-"Reaves" watch. What is this? Well, Aston-Reese would have been the perfect 4th liner for this team coming out for the season. He's a young player with fresh legs and something to prove. The best thing? He wouldn't have cost a first round pick. I guess the team has to "protect its stars" or something. So, let's see how quickly Aston-Reese can catch Ryan Reaves in points. "But Hacksaw! That's unfair! He plays with Sid a lot!"

It's almost like he's a better...player? For this team? Or something?

Ryan Reaves season total: 56 GP 4 G 3 A 7 P
Zach Aston-Reese season total: 6 GP 3 G 1 A 4 P

Let the race begin!


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:15 pm 
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Whelp, Reaves sure did play his role tonight.

0 G
0 A
-1
4:53 ice time.

When Savard had a big hit on Rust in the open ice, I said to myself, "Boy, I can't wait until Reaves stays glued to the bench and does absolutely nothing."

He did!

Now, onto our super-exciting Aston-"Reaves" watch, where we compare the stats of should-have-been 4th liner Aston-Reese to dud Ryan Reaves. Let's take a look!

Reaves 58 GP 4 G 4 A 8 Pts -9
Aston-Reese 8 GP 4 G 1 A 5 Pts +3

The gap is closing!

Finally, for our new edition to the Reaves Recap, we're going to do something I call "Retard steel TRIGGERED quote of the day!" Similar to the Subway Sandwich of the Game, this edition will choose a random "hit" from the steel archives of crazy, triggered, 58-year-old yinzer inanity.


Retard steel TRIGGERED Quote of the Day

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mARTINEZO is a fucking bum -- it's a travesty that he's even on the roster, and it's a joke that hurdle started him tonite over polanco AND alvarez --- fucking jagoff


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:15 am 
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
SteelPro wrote:
I generally agree an enforcer is a wasted roster spot. However this year a 3 time Stanley Cup winning GM thought that roster spot was worth a gamble to try to do something to help a team that had lost more man games to injury than any other team over the last half decade. Maybe he should have consulted with the super genius first.


The same 3-time Stanley Cup-winning GM that hired a junior coach to manage the aspirations of a Stanley Cup contender with Evgeni Malkin and Sidney Crosby? The junior coach who hadn't sniffed an NHL head coaching position and whose meager NHL experience ended six years before getting hired. That one?

The same GM that traded for Jordan Staal and gave up huge assets, even though Staal had the Penguins over a barrel, declining their new contract offer and stating he wanted to play with his brother?

Seems like an easily identifiable, terrible mistake ended up being an easily identifiable, terrible mistake.

The league has been trending away from the goons and the "protectors." Maybe Reaves is "more" than that (lol), but he certainly came in to be a "goon" and "enforce" the game. All the interviews after the trade and even today are about that. This antiquated thought hasn't come to fruition as JR hoped. Surprise!

Bit of mental gymnastics there on the man games lost. Dating things back more than half a decade makes it even more questionable, as the Penguins roster was completely different and even employed more "tough guys" during that time frame than it does now.

Anyway, in order to bring that up as an argument, you'd have to assume:
A) A large chunk of injuries occurred because the Penguins stars or players in general were not being protected
B) If there were such a protector, the Penguins stars/players would not experience injuries

But those are falsehoods you know to be untrue that you're using to form an argument to make yourself feel better. You all lost because you were wrong. I was right. I will continue to let you know that.

Are you saying Rutherford has not done a good job overall despite missing on the Reaves trade?


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:13 am 
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Suwanee88 wrote:
Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
SteelPro wrote:
I generally agree an enforcer is a wasted roster spot. However this year a 3 time Stanley Cup winning GM thought that roster spot was worth a gamble to try to do something to help a team that had lost more man games to injury than any other team over the last half decade. Maybe he should have consulted with the super genius first.


The same 3-time Stanley Cup-winning GM that hired a junior coach to manage the aspirations of a Stanley Cup contender with Evgeni Malkin and Sidney Crosby? The junior coach who hadn't sniffed an NHL head coaching position and whose meager NHL experience ended six years before getting hired. That one?

The same GM that traded for Jordan Staal and gave up huge assets, even though Staal had the Penguins over a barrel, declining their new contract offer and stating he wanted to play with his brother?

Seems like an easily identifiable, terrible mistake ended up being an easily identifiable, terrible mistake.

The league has been trending away from the goons and the "protectors." Maybe Reaves is "more" than that (lol), but he certainly came in to be a "goon" and "enforce" the game. All the interviews after the trade and even today are about that. This antiquated thought hasn't come to fruition as JR hoped. Surprise!

Bit of mental gymnastics there on the man games lost. Dating things back more than half a decade makes it even more questionable, as the Penguins roster was completely different and even employed more "tough guys" during that time frame than it does now.

Anyway, in order to bring that up as an argument, you'd have to assume:
A) A large chunk of injuries occurred because the Penguins stars or players in general were not being protected
B) If there were such a protector, the Penguins stars/players would not experience injuries

But those are falsehoods you know to be untrue that you're using to form an argument to make yourself feel better. You all lost because you were wrong. I was right. I will continue to let you know that.

Are you saying Rutherford has not done a good job overall despite missing on the Reaves trade?


Hacksaw just wants to be RIGHT.

I shudder to think of his posts should the Penguins not threepeat.

Then we’ll we treated to long posts as to how dealing for Reaves was the Beginning of The End.

Amazing how all these people who should be running sports teams are trapped posting on Steelerfury instead.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:17 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
Hacksaw just wants to be RIGHT.

I shudder to think of his posts should the Penguins not threepeat.

Then we’ll we treated to long posts as to how dealing for Reaves was the Beginning of The End.

Amazing how all these people who should be running sports teams are trapped posting on Steelerfury instead.



Man, you have fallen on hard times.

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I will never hate a goal scored by a Pittsburgh Penguin or a save by one of their goalies.

I can only imagine two scenarios in which I'd want the team or one of its players to fail/lose.

1) A Mario/Crosby-type drafting tank
2) Where it would be the straw that broke the camels back in regards to a firing of a coach or the benching of a player (e.g., Bylsma's team, which clearly didn't have "it," losing to the Rangers after being up in a playoff series 3-1, leading to his ouster)

In every single regard, my leanings favor the team as a whole, and they ALWAYS come to fruition. Fleury getting usurped by Murray directly led to two Stanley Cups. Bylsma losing with Team USA made Shero's decision to fire him easier after the NYR series. In both cases, I wanted the yinzer-triggering thing to happen to better the logo.





Just stop getting triggered and whining and enjoy my education. Maybe you'll learn something. Based on what you've written in the past, you should reduce the post count and increase the reading.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:29 pm 
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Suwanee88 wrote:
Are you saying Rutherford has not done a good job overall despite missing on the Reaves trade?


I don't think I once said he hasn't done a good overall job. He won two Stanley Cup in two years. A lot of that was from the moves he made (Kessel, Scuderi, Hagelin, Daley, Bonino, etc.). He also wasted nearly 1.5 years by hiring Mike Johnston, so there's obviously some things (like all GMs) he'd like to do over.


Rutherford had a terrible offseason. For whatever reason, he decided to neglect two of the things that made the team special: scoring and center depth. Look at his downfall with Carolina. You'll see the same sporadic player movement and identity issues mixed with owner unwillingness. With Jason Botterill leaving for Buffalo and Rutherford departing from this identity this offseason, it was easy to question just who was running the show the last few years. Rutherford has done some to makeup for the offseason, but he needs to do just a little more to improve these issues.

This thread happened and will continue to happen because everyone but the Super Genius missed the plot. You were all busy getting 5 out of 2+2. The Penguins won the Stanley Cup the last two years, but (with the exception of Donnie Brasco) you were viewing, you weren't watching. You may have liked it, but you didn't understand why it was happening. So, when GMs make these antiquated, traditional moves, it's a bit easy to understand that the yinzer "pound da rock" mentality comes out on a steelerfury forum. I guess I should have expected less from everyone. I will teach you.

I think Rutherford's most powerful allies are a strong analytics team and scouting staff. That's why you see guys like Oleksiak coming in and making a big difference. A lot of Rutherford has been being able to manage his ability to go crazy with a trade. They shoe hasn't dropped yet, and maybe, like Shero, he has learned from his past failures.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:04 pm 
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Suwanee88 wrote:
Are you saying Rutherford has not done a good job overall despite missing on the Reaves trade?

Was it even much of a miss? All he gave up for Reaves was Sundqvist (who, btw, has only 3 assists in 30 games for the Blues this season) and dropped back 20 spots in a very weak draft class.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:32 pm 
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Pabst wrote:
Suwanee88 wrote:
Are you saying Rutherford has not done a good job overall despite missing on the Reaves trade?

Was it even much of a miss? All he gave up for Reaves was Sundqvist (who, btw, has only 3 assists in 30 games for the Blues this season) and dropped back 20 spots in a very weak draft class.


It was as every much an over-reaction as steel declaring the Nate McLouth trade to be one of the best in Major League history.

Although at least steel didn’t start a year-long thread and then claimed no one else on the site (save for one person) understood hockey (although Steel did claim lame fans like us didn't deserve Nutting and Neal- lol).

This isn’t being “triggered” by Hacksaw’s thread. It’s being amused...as usual.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:23 pm 
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Pabst wrote:
Suwanee88 wrote:
Are you saying Rutherford has not done a good job overall despite missing on the Reaves trade?

Was it even much of a miss? All he gave up for Reaves was Sundqvist (who, btw, has only 3 assists in 30 games for the Blues this season) and dropped back 20 spots in a very weak draft class.


There's a chance we were overrating Sundqvist a little bit. Hell, a few years ago, I knew a couple of folks who were pissed we had to give up Kapanen in the Kessel trade.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
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Jeemie wrote:
Pabst wrote:
Suwanee88 wrote:
Are you saying Rutherford has not done a good job overall despite missing on the Reaves trade?

Was it even much of a miss? All he gave up for Reaves was Sundqvist (who, btw, has only 3 assists in 30 games for the Blues this season) and dropped back 20 spots in a very weak draft class.


It was as every much an over-reaction as steel declaring the Nate McLouth trade to be one of the best in Major League history.

Although at least steel didn’t start a year-long thread and then claimed no one else on the site (save for one person) understood hockey (although Steel did claim lame fans like us didn't deserve Nutting and Neal- lol).

This isn’t being “triggered” by Hacksaw’s thread. It’s being amused...as usual.



Coming back for more! I love it!

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:28 pm 
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Ice wrote:
Pabst wrote:
Suwanee88 wrote:
Are you saying Rutherford has not done a good job overall despite missing on the Reaves trade?

Was it even much of a miss? All he gave up for Reaves was Sundqvist (who, btw, has only 3 assists in 30 games for the Blues this season) and dropped back 20 spots in a very weak draft class.


There's a chance we were overrating Sundqvist a little bit. Hell, a few years ago, I knew a couple of folks who were pissed we had to give up Kapanen in the Kessel trade.


Sundqvist was a throw-in for roster purposes. The principal of the deal outweighs its overall impact.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
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Coming back for more! I love it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfX5fqN8kYY


More what?

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:59 pm 
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If Sundqvist was a throw in, and the draft pick swap was pretty much equally insignificant, what's the point of being this far up in arms about the deal as a whole? Is it really just principle?

Reaves hasn't tangibly done much, but it seems like a large grudge to hold against a fourth line forward whose coaches and teammates seem to be reasonably satisfied with, from everything I've heard/read.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
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Reaves seems like a fine human and a great teammate.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
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Ice wrote:
If Sundqvist was a throw in, and the draft pick swap was pretty much equally insignificant, what's the point of being this far up in arms about the deal as a whole? Is it really just principle?

Reaves hasn't tangibly done much, but it seems like a large grudge to hold against a fourth line forward whose coaches and teammates seem to be reasonably satisfied with, from everything I've heard/read.

Agree. I’ve thought the same. Maybe Hacksaw has played some organized hockey and Reaves beat the hell out of him?


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Ice wrote:
If Sundqvist was a throw in, and the draft pick swap was pretty much equally insignificant, what's the point of being this far up in arms about the deal as a whole? Is it really just principle?

Reaves hasn't tangibly done much, but it seems like a large grudge to hold against a fourth line forward whose coaches and teammates seem to be reasonably satisfied with, from everything I've heard/read.


Welcome to the Pittsburgh fanbase, where every mole hill is an aspiring mountain!


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
Reaves seems like a fine human and a great teammate.

ive enjoyed reaves beating several fuckers up !!! for that alone I like it......just maybe his asskicking has shown up in a different manor not on the scoreboard. maybe sid or gino been abused just a bit less.. wasn't this a huge factor in bringing him in?


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
Ice wrote:
If Sundqvist was a throw in, and the draft pick swap was pretty much equally insignificant, what's the point of being this far up in arms about the deal as a whole? Is it really just principle?

Reaves hasn't tangibly done much, but it seems like a large grudge to hold against a fourth line forward whose coaches and teammates seem to be reasonably satisfied with, from everything I've heard/read.


Welcome to the Pittsburgh fanbase, where every mole hill is an aspiring mountain!


I'd be willing to bet that in the entire rest of his NHL career, a 14 page thread (and counting) has never been generated about Ryan Reaves, so maybe he should take it as a compliment.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
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bam morris wrote:
Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
Reaves seems like a fine human and a great teammate.

ive enjoyed reaves beating several fuckers up !!! for that alone I like it......just maybe his asskicking has shown up in a different manor not on the scoreboard. maybe sid or gino been abused just a bit less.. just a thought.


from the Pens P-G beat writer yesterday:

Spend every day around the Penguins, and it’s easy to see how much Crosby loves having Ryan Reaves around.

Not just on the ice, but in the dressing room. Those two joked around for a while Thursday. There’s definitely a friendship there, a funny one.

Reaves isn’t afraid to bust Crosby’s chops a little, especially regarding his superstitions.


http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/peng ... 1802190104


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
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I bet suban wont try that shit again like he did in finals with reaves lurking around..or whom ever fucks with our boys unnecessarily..


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
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Ice wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:
Ice wrote:
If Sundqvist was a throw in, and the draft pick swap was pretty much equally insignificant, what's the point of being this far up in arms about the deal as a whole? Is it really just principle?

Reaves hasn't tangibly done much, but it seems like a large grudge to hold against a fourth line forward whose coaches and teammates seem to be reasonably satisfied with, from everything I've heard/read.


Welcome to the Pittsburgh fanbase, where every mole hill is an aspiring mountain!


I'd be willing to bet that in the entire rest of his NHL career, a 14 page thread (and counting) has never been generated about Ryan Reaves, so maybe he should take it as a compliment.



Haha. Very true.


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