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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:57 pm 
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What about using foam pucks?? Shots from the point and long passes would probably not work but I bet you would have some wicked knuckle-puck action...

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Like I said they can do what they want, but it just seems stupid to have to deal with an injury like that, when it's 100% preventable.


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interesting..i always wondered same. its really crazy that not too long ago they wore no helmets. I kinda liked that..but damn that seems crazy. remember well the guys hair blowing in the wind. easy to tell who from who..
does seem odd a safer helmet the players liked cant be found.
my odd hockey thought? why don't they play up the helmets like pro football and base ball? have cool logo or designs instead of the bland stickers they use. I think a pen helmet with elements of steelers helmet with pen emblem on side be cool!!


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I think the NHL also likes when fans can see the faces of the stars, but most hockey fans wouldn't recognize a majority of players if they were riding an elevator together.

The last player to my memory that played without a helmet was Craig McTavish. He had this bad ass receeding hairline and a cool feathered cut and would just glide around the ice with the cold wind blowing through his locks. That must have been early 90s at the latest.


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Y-Town Steel wrote:
What about using foam pucks?? Shots from the point and long passes would probably not work but I bet you would have some wicked knuckle-puck action...



On the other side of the spectrum they could use depleted uranium. That would cut the life spans of NHL players down a good bit.


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Orangesteel wrote:
I think the NHL also likes when fans can see the faces of the stars, but most hockey fans wouldn't recognize a majority of players if they were riding an elevator together.
Once upon a time a long time ago, I was in Pgh airport on my way back from visiting family walking to the departure gate and noticed ten or so guys that were 6' and taller built like a brick shithouse wearing suites. Followed by another ten or so guys fitting the same description. I wondered why and then I saw Mario Lemieux. Jaromir Jagr wasn't far behind. Those were the only faces I recognized. I'm 6' 1/2 inch and felt small as they walked past me.

The probabilities of getting hit in the face with a puck are low. Statistics prove that, but just like QB's getting blind sided and WR's getting "Harrisoned" or "Atkined" in crossing patterns through the middle, it's part of the game. Risk v reward. It's not as simple as just placing bubbles over their heads. They are more of a hindrance than protection. The Jackets players all admitted it happens and is part of the game. The great thing about sports is that you risk getting hurt. That's the allure, no? If it were so safe, anybody would do it.

You may as well put face masks on pitchers to prevent the .01% of times they get hit by a return hit pitch.

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fractalsteel wrote:
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What about using foam pucks?? Shots from the point and long passes would probably not work but I bet you would have some wicked knuckle-puck action...



On the other side of the spectrum they could use depleted uranium. That would cut the life spans of NHL players down a good bit.
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Same reason that almost zero NFL players wear thigh pads, hip pads, or tailbone pads. It affects performance ever so slightly and they are pro's. That's enough of a reason to not wear them. Plus they are grown ass men.

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COR-TEN wrote:
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The great thing about sports is that you risk getting hurt. That's the allure, no? If it were so safe, anybody would do it.



NO, Really? No, that was never the allure about sports to me, I never thought of that as something that makes it better or more interesting.

I get it, it's rare, but remember Crosby took one in the mouth and missed about 30 games? What if that happened tonight? And it sank the Penguins for the year? When a facemask would of made it just a stinger that went away in a few minutes and he went right back in the game?

That's where I was coming from with my opinion.


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R S wrote:
Plus they are grown ass men.


What if an NFL player decided to play without a facemask, or helmet? He's a grown-ass man after all?


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fractalsteel wrote:
Y-Town Steel wrote:
What about using foam pucks?? Shots from the point and long passes would probably not work but I bet you would have some wicked knuckle-puck action...



On the other side of the spectrum they could use depleted uranium. That would cut the life spans of NHL players down a good bit.

Interesting and helps solve the depleted uranium disposal problem (recycle), but I feel like it would still be a hard puck.

Perhaps combine that with a tiny detonator in the center of the puck and have a guy with a quick trigger finger - like the guy who times 40 yd dashes - detonate if it's heading towards a players face?

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Nick79 wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
The great thing about sports is that you risk getting hurt. That's the allure, no? If it were so safe, anybody would do it.



NO, Really? No, that was never the allure about sports to me, I never thought of that as something that makes it better or more interesting.

I get it, it's rare, but remember Crosby took one in the mouth and missed about 30 games? What if that happened tonight? And it sank the Penguins for the year? When a facemask would of made it just a stinger that went away in a few minutes and he went right back in the game?

That's where I was coming from with my opinion.


And how many goals might he have missed during the season due to a foggy shield, or because a wire on a cage got in the way as he was attempting a one-timer?

These guys can skate at nearly 30 miles per hour and in the process need to track a puck that's only 3x1 inches. Even the most minute hindrance on their vision can make a big difference in their game.

They've clearly made their choice on what they think is more important. I'm going to trust their opinions on that.


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I didn't write what was quoted.

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Y-Town Steel wrote:
fractalsteel wrote:
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What about using foam pucks?? Shots from the point and long passes would probably not work but I bet you would have some wicked knuckle-puck action...



On the other side of the spectrum they could use depleted uranium. That would cut the life spans of NHL players down a good bit.

Interesting and helps solve the depleted uranium disposal problem (recycle), but I feel like it would still be a hard puck.

Perhaps combine that with a tiny detonator in the center of the puck and have a guy with a quick trigger finger - like the guy who times 40 yd dashes - detonate if it's heading towards a players face?

K.I.S.S.


That works.


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And how many goals might he have missed during the season due to a foggy shield, or because a wire on a cage got in the way as he was attempting a one-timer?



The difference is probably equal to the chance of getting hit in the mouth with a puck.

Do you think NFL WRs would catch a larger % of the balls thrown to them if they didn't have facemasks?


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Nick79 wrote:
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And how many goals might he have missed during the season due to a foggy shield, or because a wire on a cage got in the way as he was attempting a one-timer?



The difference is probably equal to the chance of getting hit in the mouth with a puck.

Do you think NFL WRs would catch a larger % of the balls thrown to them if they didn't have facemasks?


The size of a puck vs that of a football is a contributing factor


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Nick79 wrote:
Do you think NFL WRs would catch a larger % of the balls thrown to them if they didn't have facemasks?


An NFL football is 11 inches long and has a max circumference of 28 inches. The fastest throw ever recorded at the NFL combine was 60 MPH.

An NHL puck is 1 inch thick and has a circumference of ~7 inches. NHL slapshots are routinely recorded in excess of 100 MPH.


So....yeah. Not a good comparison.

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An amazing end to this thread would be Nick poasting:

Thanks for the education, fellas. Those are great points I had not considered or otherwise was not aware of. I do now understand why NHL players don't wear full face protection.

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Nick79 wrote:
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And how many goals might he have missed during the season due to a foggy shield, or because a wire on a cage got in the way as he was attempting a one-timer?



The difference is probably equal to the chance of getting hit in the mouth with a puck.

Do you think NFL WRs would catch a larger % of the balls thrown to them if they didn't have facemasks?


See now, you opened this thread by stating up front you expect to be called names and cursed up and down for asking the question.

You asked a sensible question and were given sensible answers by people who know way more about hockey than you do (you admit yourself you don't know much about it, which is fine).

A sensible person would say "Yeah, I guess that makes sense", and that'd be end of it.

Sensible question gets sensible answers and results in sensible conversation.

Instead, you're going to continue to press on by asserting bad concepts about a topic you admit you know nothing about until this thread inevitably deteriorates into a steaming pile of trash, as your threads tend to do.

So yes, as you originally stated, this thread is likely to end in people calling you names. But understand that when it does, it's not going to be because you asked the question in the first place. It's going to be because you refuse to accept that more knowledgeable people have debunked your theory and move on.


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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
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And how many goals might he have missed during the season due to a foggy shield, or because a wire on a cage got in the way as he was attempting a one-timer?



The difference is probably equal to the chance of getting hit in the mouth with a puck.

Do you think NFL WRs would catch a larger % of the balls thrown to them if they didn't have facemasks?


See now, you opened this thread by stating up front you expect to be called names and cursed up and down for asking the question.

You asked a sensible question and were given sensible answers by people who know way more about hockey than you do (you admit yourself you don't know much about it, which is fine).

A sensible person would say "Yeah, I guess that makes sense", and that'd be end of it.

Sensible question gets sensible answers and results in sensible conversation.

Instead, you're going to continue to press on by asserting bad concepts about a topic you admit you know nothing about until this thread inevitably deteriorates into a steaming pile of trash, as your threads tend to do.

So yes, as you originally stated, this thread is likely to end in people calling you names. But understand that when it does, it's not going to be because you asked the question in the first place. It's going to be because you refuse to accept that more knowledgeable people have debunked your theory and move on.

Ahh yes...the world according to Nick79... :lol:

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An amazing end to this thread would be Nick poasting:

Thanks for the education, fellas. Those are great points I had not considered or otherwise was not aware of. I do now understand why NHL players don't wear full face protection.



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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
Nick79 wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:
And how many goals might he have missed during the season due to a foggy shield, or because a wire on a cage got in the way as he was attempting a one-timer?



The difference is probably equal to the chance of getting hit in the mouth with a puck.

Do you think NFL WRs would catch a larger % of the balls thrown to them if they didn't have facemasks?


See now, you opened this thread by stating up front you expect to be called names and cursed up and down for asking the question.

You asked a sensible question and were given sensible answers by people who know way more about hockey than you do (you admit yourself you don't know much about it, which is fine).

A sensible person would say "Yeah, I guess that makes sense", and that'd be end of it.

Sensible question gets sensible answers and results in sensible conversation.

Instead, you're going to continue to press on by asserting bad concepts about a topic you admit you know nothing about until this thread inevitably deteriorates into a steaming pile of trash, as your threads tend to do.

So yes, as you originally stated, this thread is likely to end in people calling you names. But understand that when it does, it's not going to be because you asked the question in the first place. It's going to be because you refuse to accept that more knowledgeable people have debunked your theory and move on.


I work with people like this. I want to murder every single one of them :lol:


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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
Nick79 wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:
And how many goals might he have missed during the season due to a foggy shield, or because a wire on a cage got in the way as he was attempting a one-timer?



The difference is probably equal to the chance of getting hit in the mouth with a puck.

Do you think NFL WRs would catch a larger % of the balls thrown to them if they didn't have facemasks?


See now, you opened this thread by stating up front you expect to be called names and cursed up and down for asking the question.

You asked a sensible question and were given sensible answers by people who know way more about hockey than you do (you admit yourself you don't know much about it, which is fine).

A sensible person would say "Yeah, I guess that makes sense", and that'd be end of it.

Sensible question gets sensible answers and results in sensible conversation.

Instead, you're going to continue to press on by asserting bad concepts about a topic you admit you know nothing about until this thread inevitably deteriorates into a steaming pile of trash, as your threads tend to do.

So yes, as you originally stated, this thread is likely to end in people calling you names. But understand that when it does, it's not going to be because you asked the question in the first place. It's going to be because you refuse to accept that more knowledgeable people have debunked your theory and move on.


It's not exactly stupid to wonder if they should wear face masks, is the quality of college hockey diminished because they wear masks? Anyways, if they're willing to all lose their teeth and get their faces jacked up, fine, hopefully we don't lose an important player again. and yes it makes sense from a performance point of view, I guess. I'd wonder how many games are lost on the injury list over these type of injuries every year? But no, it really isn't a stupid question and I won't be surprised if within a number of years they decide to wear masks anyways as people get less tough or more smart, lol.

Those are great points I had not considered or otherwise was not aware of. I do now understand why NHL players don't wear full face protection. But I think there are also plenty of good reasons to wear face protection. One being time lost to injury that wouldn't have happened with face protection, but if they are ok with accepting the brutal, preventable shots to the mouth, I am too.


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I can't relate to hockey as a player, I never played, never wore a hockey mask, never even skated. But I've seen that NCAA hockey players all wear these cage masks and appear to be able to play the game, so it's totally legit to wonder why the pros don't. So don't make it out to be like it's a stupid question to ask. IT CLEARLY ISN'T.


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