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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:39 pm 
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fractalsteel wrote:
I don't know what his contract particulars are.

One year deal. Waivers exempt (if they want to send him to WBS). RFA after this season.

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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:06 pm 
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So, displacing Rudy would be the easy part, getting him to #7. Now, who gets pushed to get Riikola into the top 6? Oleksiak is maybe our most physical defenseman, Schultz had a lousy season last year compared to his post-trade self, and Dumo may be a little nicked up, so there may be something there, I guess.

Still a little mad about Simon. Literally as close to a waste of a jersey as you can get.


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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:44 pm 
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ZAR was able to be send down without having to clear wavers. Simon could not. That was likely the deciding factor.

I've also read in places that Sid likes playing with Simon. So take that for whatever its worth.

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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:51 pm 
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So, displacing Rudy would be the easy part, getting him to #7. Now, who gets pushed to get Riikola into the top 6? Oleksiak is maybe our most physical defenseman, Schultz had a lousy season last year compared to his post-trade self, and Dumo may be a little nicked up, so there may be something there, I guess.

Still a little mad about Simon. Literally as close to a waste of a jersey as you can get.


The preseason is so little to go on but what I saw of Riikola in that time frame was nearly impressive. He was smart in his own end, has good hops and is a very good skater. He has a physical aspect to him even for being average sized. He has offensive skills that could be used on the PP.
Maybe the Pens move someone?
With Riikola I feel better about our depth on D.

Simon flashed his first chance with the big club but then he went back to being ordinary at best.


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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:14 pm 
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Ice wrote:
So, displacing Rudy would be the easy part, getting him to #7. Now, who gets pushed to get Riikola into the top 6? Oleksiak is maybe our most physical defenseman, Schultz had a lousy season last year compared to his post-trade self, and Dumo may be a little nicked up, so there may be something there, I guess.

Still a little mad about Simon. Literally as close to a waste of a jersey as you can get.


The Brass-Simon- Rust line seemed to have a ton of chemistry, that's why Simon got a hat. And as was mentioned below, Sid is a big Simon fan

I wish they'd swap Sprong and Simon though


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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:26 pm 
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I'm right there with you on Sprong and Simon, Donnie. Sprong has talent; eating nachos and fourth line duties aren't going to do anything positive for his development at all.

Sprong might have his warts, but at least he has some outstanding talents to put to use, as opposed to the vanilla pudding that is Simon's game.


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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:31 am 
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I believe the lines are perfect. I'd replace Oleksiak with Riikola. That's about it. As discussed earlier, the Penguins will likely need to move away from Justin Schultz next year. I think we're looking at an 8-man defensive rotation this season.

Simon does more for the team than ZAR does now. ZAR doesn't have the speed of an NHL player. He needs to learn more. Sid likes Simon because he's good in the neutral zone. I also think Sid's realized that Hornqvist is stuck to him and that Brass will likely get Simon.

I see Cullen as Sprong's tutor/mentor. Remember this is the PITTSBURGH PENGUINS and not whatever the fuck Rutherford was trying to do last season with Ryan Reaves and other randos playing 4th line minutes. A 4th line with Sheahan, Cullen, and Sprong will be nasty. Cullen may be a top-5 forward on the team, and he can sure carry that line.


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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:20 am 
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Riikola looks like the real deal - great find by the Pens! I am not getting rid of Oleksiak, no freaking way. He has a ton of offensive potential and he can be physical which we need.

I say continue to watch and mold Riikola and dump Uh Oh Maata when the time is right. He slows this team down IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:07 am 
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
I believe the lines are perfect. I'd replace Oleksiak with Riikola. That's about it. As discussed earlier, the Penguins will likely need to move away from Justin Schultz next year. I think we're looking at an 8-man defensive rotation this season.

Simon does more for the team than ZAR does now. ZAR doesn't have the speed of an NHL player. He needs to learn more. Sid likes Simon because he's good in the neutral zone. I also think Sid's realized that Hornqvist is stuck to him and that Brass will likely get Simon.

I see Cullen as Sprong's tutor/mentor. Remember this is the PITTSBURGH PENGUINS and not whatever the fuck Rutherford was trying to do last season with Ryan Reaves and other randos playing 4th line minutes. A 4th line with Sheahan, Cullen, and Sprong will be nasty. Cullen may be a top-5 forward on the team, and he can sure carry that line.


I think who they keep for next year boils down to Olek and Schultz: which one has the better season?

Schultz has the advantage of stepping in for Letang's annual injuries and Qbing the PP
Olek brings a different dimension with his size

Have to remember that Olek had some good moments w/ the Pens last year but seemed to be lost in the playoffs. Perhaps a year with the organization (much like Schultz before him) can round out his game?

Right now I'm thinking it's Schultz who stays and Olek is gone for next year.


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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:09 am 
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If you're starting Sprong out on the 4th, and he moves up the lineup as he gains experience and (hopefully) improves, with Simple Simon eventually ending up on the 4th, than maybe I buy it.

As far as the idea that Sid likes Simon, therefore he must be good, that's silly. Jagr loved Kip Miller ("only Kippy can get me the puck..."). Didn't make Kip Miller good.

If Oleksiak can have himself a good season, and Riikola pans out well, being able to shed Schultz's salary could be a plus. Leaves you with Kris Letang as your sole PP QB, though.


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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:40 am 
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Leaves you with Kris Letang as your sole PP QB, though.


Unless Riikola is capable of filling that role, which could be plausible by the time the season is over, if all the hype is true.

And I say that without having seen most of the preseason games, so maybe I'm wrong. But everyone seems to be praising his poise and ability to carry the puck. Haven't heard much about his shot from the point, but it's not like Letang's is all that great either.


Unrelated, but I'll be in the house tonight! Didn't make it to a game last year, so I'm extra pumped to be there for the opener, and hope to make a few others as the season goes along.


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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:04 am 
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Nice! Have a great time tonight, man.

As for Riikola's shot, Sami Kapanen, who ran his Euro team, said he had a "heavy shot from the point" in an interview, but there's no real frame of reference to that comment. And yeah, "better than Letang" isn't a high bar to get over where the point shot is concerned.

That said, a return to 2016 pre-injury Letang would make this team a serious Cup contender.


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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:17 am 
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Ice wrote:
Nice! Have a great time tonight, man.

As for Riikola's shot, Sami Kapanen, who ran his Euro team, said he had a "heavy shot from the point" in an interview, but there's no real frame of reference to that comment. And yeah, "better than Letang" isn't a high bar to get over where the point shot is concerned.

That said, a return to 2016 pre-injury Letang would make this team a serious Cup contender.


Absolutely. I mean, he doesn't even have to get to that point, even. If he got back to 85% of that pre-2016 level, I think it makes an immense improvement for the entire team.

He doesn't have to be amazing, he just needs to not be a liability and anything above that is icing on the cake, as far as I'm concerned.

Cause if that happens, then I think we have a damn solid d group up and down the lineup.


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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:48 am 
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I tend to agree, LLS.

Even with one minor anchor, I like the forward lines a lot, as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Penguins Offseason Thread 2018
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:42 am 
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Ice wrote:
Nice! Have a great time tonight, man.

As for Riikola's shot, Sami Kapanen, who ran his Euro team, said he had a "heavy shot from the point" in an interview, but there's no real frame of reference to that comment. And yeah, "better than Letang" isn't a high bar to get over where the point shot is concerned.

That said, a return to 2016 pre-injury Letang would make this team a serious Cup contender.


Yea I'm very excited about Rikko too. Just trying to temper my expectations. 24 yr old with his first exposure to North American hockey is likely to experience some growing pains.

And it's refreshing to see a 4th line that doesn't consist mostly of Rowney- Kuhn - Reaves. Finally guys who can skate and are much closer to the Pens' identity.


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