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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 10:47 am 
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This article is from 4/30 (before the ZAR hit):

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2018/04/30/on-tom-wilson-player-safety-and-avoiding-suspension/

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He avoided a suspension on this one because, in the NHL’s view (via ESPN’s Greg Wyshynski), head contact was unavoidable because Dumoulin, in bracing for contact from an oncoming Alex Ovechkin, changed the position of his head just prior to contact. There did not seem to be any word on the changing position of Wilson’s shoulder, which seemed to play just as big of a role in the contact as Dumoulin changing the position of his head.

He avoided a suspension in the first-round on the Wennberg hit because the DoPS could not determine if the head was the main point of contact given the available camera angles.

Viewed in a vacuum and as isolated incidents those explanations might hold up. They might make sense. They might even be justified.

Here is the problem with that: This same thing keeps happening with Tom Wilson.

He always seems to find himself in these positions. He always seems to find himself at the center of the controversial play where “there is nothing else he could have done,” or “the contact could not be avoided,” or “there was not a clear view of what happened.” No matter the situation, no matter the hit, no matter the result, there is an always an excuse for why it was okay or why it shouldn’t have been elevated to the level of supplemental discipline. The story of his career to this point can probably be summed up as: Hey, that was probably a bad hit with an unfortunate result for the guy on the receiving end of it but there just wasn’t enough evidence to suspend him … this time.

Since entering the NHL at the start of the 2013-14 season no player in the NHL has been penalized more than Wilson. His 806 penalty minutes in the regular season are 85 more than the next closest player, and he is one of just three players in the league to be assessed more than even 600 penalty minutes during that stretch (Antoine Roussel at 721 and Cody McLeod at 707) are the only others.


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When it comes to Wilson and the plays he has been involved in throughout his career there is always some amount of gray area in them. The Lazar play could be written off as accidental. Same as the Dumoulin play. Maybe the head wasn’t the main point of contact or targeted on Wennberg or Zadorov. On any one of them you can look at them and come to the conclusion that it wasn’t the intended result, or that isn’t what he was going for, or that there was some other extenuating circumstance that made the play what it was.

At what point, though, does this no longer become an accident?

If a player — in this case, Wilson — keeps finding himself in these situations when does it stop becoming an unfortunate series of events and start becoming a trend? At what point does it simply become about the player that is the common denominator in all of these situations?


At any given time there are more than 700 players on NHL rosters and there are only a small handful of them that we keep having these discussions about when it comes to their style of play and the incidents they are involved in. Matt Cooke used to be one of those players. Raffi Torres used to be one of those players. Brad Marchand, quite famously, is still one of them. And like Wilson, Marchand always seems to leave enough gray area for debate on a lot of his incidents (the old, accidentally on purpose type of play). Even though he has been suspended and fined more than any other player in the league during the DoPS era, there are countless other plays that seem to toe that line.

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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 10:58 am 
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What the Pen's players have to do is duck his hit and go at his knees, provided they see him coming. He is not interested in ever playing the puck in these situations - he's looking to hit only. So, knowing that, duck his hit, put your shoulder into his knee (hopefully at an angle) and blow his fucking knee to pieces. Hell rise him up and over you and onto his head or back onto the ice. I think he is a dirty piece of shit.


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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 11:48 am 
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I just watched this video that was posted by the Department of Player Safety's Twitter account a few days. It explains some of their recent decisions on player suspensions (or non-suspensions) on hits to the head. The Dumolin hit was one of them.

Watching it makes me less confident that Wilson is getting anything. Basically, if the player getting hit makes any movement at all, or the contact so much as brushes another body part before hitting the head, it's not the offending players' fault.

https://twitter.com/NHLPlayerSafety/status/991108076731338753


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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
I just watched this video that was posted by the Department of Player Safety's Twitter account a few days. It explains some of their recent decisions on player suspensions (or non-suspensions) on hits to the head. The Dumolin hit was one of them.

Watching it makes me less confident that Wilson is getting anything. Basically, if the player getting hit makes any movement at all, or the contact so much as brushes another body part before hitting the head, it's not the offending players' fault.

https://twitter.com/NHLPlayerSafety/status/991108076731338753


They generally don't offer hearings if you aren't getting suspended.

Wilson is getting something


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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:
I just watched this video that was posted by the Department of Player Safety's Twitter account a few days. It explains some of their recent decisions on player suspensions (or non-suspensions) on hits to the head. The Dumolin hit was one of them.

Watching it makes me less confident that Wilson is getting anything. Basically, if the player getting hit makes any movement at all, or the contact so much as brushes another body part before hitting the head, it's not the offending players' fault.

https://twitter.com/NHLPlayerSafety/status/991108076731338753


They generally don't offer hearings if you aren't getting suspended.

Wilson is getting something


They'll occasionally go the fine route after a hearing. It'd be absolutely insane for them to do that...but it wouldn't shock me.


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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 12:19 pm 
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I have heard it's just a telephone hearing, so at most a one game suspension.

A fine could still be in the cards, though.

I can't believe with the Wennberg hit their excuse was "they couldn't tell if the head was the definitive point of contact with the available camera angles".

One would think the fact that Wilson LAUNCHED himself at a helpless Wennberg who was frozen in place by Ovechkin being on the other side of him would supersede that. Just like the fact that Wilson deliberately shouldered Dumoulin would supersed the fact that Dumo had to move his head to avoid Ovi.

But this is an NHL that, like the NFL, wants to pretend it cares about player safety rather than actually do something about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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Jeemie wrote:
I have heard it's just a telephone hearing, so at most a one game suspension.

A fine could still be in the cards, though.

I can't believe with the Wennberg hit their excuse was "they couldn't tell if the head was the definitive point of contact with the available camera angles".

One would think the fact that Wilson LAUNCHED himself at a helpless Wennberg who was frozen in place by Ovechkin being on the other side of him would supersede that. Just like the fact that Wilson deliberately shouldered Dumoulin would supersed the fact that Dumo had to move his head to avoid Ovi.

But this is an NHL that, like the NFL, wants to pretend it cares about player safety rather than actually do something about it.


It’s amazing that the DoPS seemingly is always run by goons. Maybe have a skill player run it and you’ll see actual discipline?


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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 12:50 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
I have heard it's just a telephone hearing, so at most a one game suspension.

A fine could still be in the cards, though.

I can't believe with the Wennberg hit their excuse was "they couldn't tell if the head was the definitive point of contact with the available camera angles".

One would think the fact that Wilson LAUNCHED himself at a helpless Wennberg who was frozen in place by Ovechkin being on the other side of him would supersede that. Just like the fact that Wilson deliberately shouldered Dumoulin would supersed the fact that Dumo had to move his head to avoid Ovi.

But this is an NHL that, like the NFL, wants to pretend it cares about player safety rather than actually do something about it.


Just found the link. Telephone hearing is a maximum of 5 games, and a fine of at least $5,000

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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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Jeemie wrote:
I have heard it's just a telephone hearing, so at most a one game suspension.

A fine could still be in the cards, though.

I can't believe with the Wennberg hit their excuse was "they couldn't tell if the head was the definitive point of contact with the available camera angles".

One would think the fact that Wilson LAUNCHED himself at a helpless Wennberg who was frozen in place by Ovechkin being on the other side of him would supersede that. Just like the fact that Wilson deliberately shouldered Dumoulin would supersed the fact that Dumo had to move his head to avoid Ovi.

But this is an NHL that, like the NFL, wants to pretend it cares about player safety rather than actually do something about it.


For me the Dumo and Wennberg hits were way worse than what happened last night. It isn't whether there was significant head contact or not in my mind, but the fact that they were both predatory.
Neither player knows (or at least expects) that Wilson is behind them.

At least with last night's hit you could say with any other player: it was a check that went high and that Zar should have seen him coming

Typical of the NHL to fuck this up


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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 1:17 pm 
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
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shoulder with perfect, square contact to the jaw. bingo.

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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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these head hunting and dirty hits need to end..these type of players should not be involved in nhl..after they show all they do is head hunt they should be suspended then kicked out .. its insane to me with all the brain injury talks now in sports this shit happens..then the fuckers in booth review each millisecond to show exact spot and where feet are ect..bullshit. u hit the fucking head . u targeted a skater..should be quick and decisive.. Wilson shoulda been ejected as repeat offender. not patrolling for the next victim to sucker hit..i love hitting..but they can hit in the fucking chest..not leaning shoulders in chins and faces..its ridiculous.. will it take a shazier moment or death on ice for this head hunting to end or penalized?


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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:22 pm 
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Still no announcement.

Wilson probably showed up to the meeting with a bunch of special needs kids and spent the day giving a sob story about how he needs his game checks to provide for them.


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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
Still no announcement.

Wilson probably showed up to the meeting with a bunch of special needs kids and spent the day giving a sob story about how he needs his game checks to provide for them.


Hahahahaha.


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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:46 pm 
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I saw something on Twitter that said he's getting one game. In the car now will post the link when I get home.

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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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Jeemie wrote:
I saw something on Twitter that said he's getting one game. In the car now will post the link when I get home.


Jeemie pull over to the side of the road and post come on we need your GUIDANCE HERE!!! JK JK


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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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One game isn't enough, but does sound about right, by NHL standards.


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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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Actually go to NHL player safety on Twitter. He's been suspended for two games.

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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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I knew it. Thank you NHL for getting this shit under control, though he should have been tossed during the game.

Eat a fat dick Milbury and Pierre dipshit McGuire.


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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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Jeemie wrote:
Actually go to NHL player safety on Twitter. He's been suspended for two games.

I did...and there's no update as of now.

https://twitter.com/NHLPlayerSafety

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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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False alarm...and a lesson not to try and read your phone really quickly at traffic lights.

It was a parody site which also, had I had a chance to read more carefully, stated he had to spend the time at Allegheny County Jail.

Sorry guys!

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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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God damnit Jeeemie!


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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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Fake Jeemie News! :lol:

(just funnin' ya, but seriously, we all need to stop using social media in the car, dang it!)

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 Post subject: Re: Place your bets right now re: Wilson suspension
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R S wrote:
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shoulder with perfect, square contact to the jaw. bingo.


The (BS) rationale behind the no-suspension for Wilson on Dumo was that Dumo moved and as a result Wilson wasn’t targeting. Compare here where ZAR actually at the last second gets larger (ie moves his head up) in an effort to avoid getting hit in the head. Stated differently, if ZAR doesn’t move, then Wilson hits him clearly in the head.

Thus, debating PPOC is pointless based on the Dumo ruling.


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