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Malkin doesn't even seem to be paying attention. He's missed a couple passes where he didn't even bother looking or have his stick on the ice.


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shit ..getting out goalied tonight..


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Malkin doesn't even seem to be paying attention. He's missed a couple passes where he didn't even bother looking or have his stick on the ice.


You could say the same about any player on the team these past few weeks; it's why they have struggled for the most part. Consistency lacking-the maddening theme of this team.

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fuckin goalie grubfucker standing on head so far..


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Well that was about as fluky a goal you’ll see.


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hope pens are better in playoffs!


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First time in a long time I’ve turned a game off to watch women’s golf.


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Ending of that game could have been exactly what this team needed.

Wake them up and get them kicked into playoff mode.

I suddenly wish we played Washington in R1. I don’t know that we’d win it, but it’d be a helluva series to watch. And one that if we did win, I think we’d make a run off that momentum.


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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
Ending of that game could have been exactly what this team needed.

Wake them up and get them kicked into playoff mode.

I suddenly wish we played Washington in R1. I don’t know that we’d win it, but it’d be a helluva series to watch. And one that if we did win, I think we’d make a run off that momentum.

I'm hoping this is one of those good losses folks sometimes talk about..now pens need to cling to 2nd place..


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I thin that loss was 90% a goalie just playing out of his mind and 5% rebounds that usually find the Pens’ sticks just missing. Malkin, do’s has, and Hornqvist each missed at least one gimme by a fraction of an inch.

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I thin that loss was 90% a goalie just playing out of his mind and 5% rebounds that usually find the Pens’ sticks just missing. Malkin, Crosby, and Hornqvist each missed at least one gimme by a fraction of an inch.


I missed the game, but from the highlights that seemed to be the theme.

We didn't score on the PP? I heard Malkin went apeshit?


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Orangesteel wrote:
First time in a long time I’ve turned a game off to watch women’s golf.


I did the same thing.. WOW what a playoff.. Those three women are working hard for that ANA trophy..

I guess we will see today who walks with it.. I hope its the Noob.. would be nice to see her first win ever be a major..


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Donnie Brasco wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
I thin that loss was 90% a goalie just playing out of his mind and 5% rebounds that usually find the Pens’ sticks just missing. Malkin, do’s has, and Hornqvist each missed at least one gimme by a fraction of an inch.


I missed the game, but from the highlights that seemed to be the theme.

We didn't score on the PP? I heard Malkin went apeshit?


Grubauer was absolutely ridiculous. Had multiple robberies, including one on Sid on a backdoor feed that is a goal 99% of the time.

I honestly felt like the Pens played pretty well, overall. We had some defensive breakdowns, for sure. But hey, the Caps are a talented team. Not going to play them perfectly every time.

And we had lots of power play opportunities and had good scoring chances on them. Just couldn't get the puck behind Grubauer.


Malkin was a different story. We had lazy Malkin for most of that game. But then him and Oshi got into it in the final couple of minutes and Malkin flipped out. Malkin chopped Oshi's stick from his hands, then used his own stick to pitchfork Oshi's stick up into the Capitals bench. So they sent him down the runway, but Malkin refused to go into the locker room and instead got into a screaming battle with Kuznetsov.

While all that was going on, Recchi got ejected from the game for saying something to the ref as well.

And before any of these even happened, Hornqvist was a pain in the Caps side all night, getting into scuffle after scuffle, particularly with Orpik.


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One thing I don't get about hockey: guys like Hornqvist get hammered and ass raped after the play on virtually 100% of the whistles... 99.9% of the time, no call. If a guy levels you with a crosscheck, how can that not be a penalty? It's not like Hornqvist is regularly doing dirty shit there, he's just a pest that's hard to move, and he doesn't give up on plays until after the whistle.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
One thing I don't get about hockey: guys like Hornqvist get hammered and ass raped after the play on virtually 100% of the whistles... 99.9% of the time, no call. If a guy levels you with a crosscheck, how can that not be a penalty? It's not like Hornqvist is regularly doing dirty shit there, he's just a pest that's hard to move, and he doesn't give up on plays until after the whistle.


Oh, I know. If you're in front of the net, you can basically do whatever you want and not get called.

Hockey purists will tell you it's all in the name of protecting the goalie, but that's obviously bullshit.

But if you accidentally tap the top of another guy's stick with your 15 feet away, that's a penalty.

This is all really why Horny has really turned into my favorite player over the past couple of years. The punishment that guy takes is absolutely unbelievable. And honestly, it's my biggest fear about giving him that 5 year deal. He certainly deserves it and I love having him anchored here for the next few years, and he may have very well demanded a longer term deal to secure his future, but I watch games like yesterday's game and wonder if he can really sustain that level of beating for another 5 years when he's already 31 years old.


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Grubauer was the difference in the game. That and the 3 or 4 goalposts the Pens rang up.

Looked to me like the Pens didn't have their legs most of the game.

Malkin was off but I'm not sure about the lazy play. He was teamed up with 81/62 and I thought Malkin did a good job of covering for those two who love to jet up ice any time they saw an opening.
He looked like he was playing hurt and hitting the post a few times definitely frustrated him.
Funny, Malkin has a few sub-par games and here comes the criticism. Crosby takes a week off and crickets.
I'll give Malkin a pass for the last two games because of what he has meant to the team since the beginning of the new year.

Of course, the Pens now have 3 days off before they finish with a back to back set-the Columbus game possibly being the most important game of the year.

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Grubauer was the difference in the game. That and the 3 or 4 goalposts the Pens rang up.

Looked to me like the Pens didn't have their legs most of the game.

Malkin was off but I'm not sure about the lazy play. He was teamed up with 81/62 and I thought Malkin did a good job of covering for those two who love to jet up ice any time they saw an opening.
He looked like he was playing hurt and hitting the post a few times definitely frustrated him.
Funny, Malkin has a few sub-par games and here comes the criticism. Crosby takes a week off and crickets.
I'll give Malkin a pass for the last two games because of what he has meant to the team since the beginning of the new year.

Of course, the Pens now have 3 days off before they finish with a back to back set-the Columbus game possibly being the most important game of the year.


Dude, I love Malkin. I wasn't trying to slam the guy. But he does have lazy games, and last night was one of them, for the most part. Plays where he let passes go right by him because he wasn't even paying attention (happened at least twice that I saw). He had a give and go with Kessel where he wasn't even entertaining the idea of getting it back from Kessel (which was promptly taken the other way for a Caps goal).

And he might have had a couple plays where he covered for some guys, but he had some players where he nonchalantly drifted back to the defensive end, too.

And that's the difference between Crosby and Malkin. Crosby has some dry spells, some games where his legs might not quite be there, things aren't clicking...whatever. But he's never looked as disinterested as Malkin did during several moments last night.

So, yes, I'm going to give Crosby a pass when he has a scoreless streak. Mainly because he's going to try and make up for it in other areas of his game. And I 100% do the same with Geno when he has a dry run but is playing hard in other facets of the game. I honestly don't care if a player has scored in the past X number of games. My belief is that dry spells and even bad games happen. But if you work hard enough, you'll get past it.

So no, last night had nothing to do with him not scoring, or even being "off". It was all about effort. As I've said before, when he's putting 100% of himself into a game, he's, in my opinion, the most dangerous player in the league at both ends of the ice. Even moreso than Sid, in my opinion. But when he doesn't, it's a disservice to everyone involved.


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fractalsteel wrote:
Grubauer was the difference in the game. That and the 3 or 4 goalposts the Pens rang up.

Looked to me like the Pens didn't have their legs most of the game.

Malkin was off but I'm not sure about the lazy play. He was teamed up with 81/62 and I thought Malkin did a good job of covering for those two who love to jet up ice any time they saw an opening.
He looked like he was playing hurt and hitting the post a few times definitely frustrated him.
Funny, Malkin has a few sub-par games and here comes the criticism. Crosby takes a week off and crickets.
I'll give Malkin a pass for the last two games because of what he has meant to the team since the beginning of the new year.

Of course, the Pens now have 3 days off before they finish with a back to back set-the Columbus game possibly being the most important game of the year.


Well to be fair they did play the previous night, so that could have been a factor.

Someone asked: who do you want in the playoffs? Well first off I want home ice #2 in the Metro

Beyond that, I'm not sure it matters as it'll be either Flyers or Jackets. I think either goalie we face shouldn't be a test as the Pens have had success vs Playoff Bob and Mrazek

Columbus has the deeper team, but the Flyers top line is pretty freaking good


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I think Malkin FREQUENTLY lets a pass go by him on purpose-- to a teammate. He did that a couple of times last night and it often results in success.

Two things I noticed a month ago that still bug the daylights out of me during every game:

1. Phil Kessel can't cleanly catch a pass on his stick to save his life. He is the single biggest culprit on the team for destroying a breakout. Every pass to him, he juggles or fumbles, or double-catches it.
2. Kessel doesn't shoot on the PP nearly enough. He was passing up chances last night when he had open looks. He doesn't need much space or much of an opening. SHOOT the puck, Phil.

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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
fractalsteel wrote:
Grubauer was the difference in the game. That and the 3 or 4 goalposts the Pens rang up.

Looked to me like the Pens didn't have their legs most of the game.

Malkin was off but I'm not sure about the lazy play. He was teamed up with 81/62 and I thought Malkin did a good job of covering for those two who love to jet up ice any time they saw an opening.
He looked like he was playing hurt and hitting the post a few times definitely frustrated him.
Funny, Malkin has a few sub-par games and here comes the criticism. Crosby takes a week off and crickets.
I'll give Malkin a pass for the last two games because of what he has meant to the team since the beginning of the new year.

Of course, the Pens now have 3 days off before they finish with a back to back set-the Columbus game possibly being the most important game of the year.


Dude, I love Malkin. I wasn't trying to slam the guy. But he does have lazy games, and last night was one of them, for the most part. Plays where he let passes go right by him because he wasn't even paying attention (happened at least twice that I saw). He had a give and go with Kessel where he wasn't even entertaining the idea of getting it back from Kessel (which was promptly taken the other way for a Caps goal).

And he might have had a couple plays where he covered for some guys, but he had some players where he nonchalantly drifted back to the defensive end, too.

And that's the difference between Crosby and Malkin. Crosby has some dry spells, some games where his legs might not quite be there, things aren't clicking...whatever. But he's never looked as disinterested as Malkin did during several moments last night.

So, yes, I'm going to give Crosby a pass when he has a scoreless streak. Mainly because he's going to try and make up for it in other areas of his game. And I 100% do the same with Geno when he has a dry run but is playing hard in other facets of the game. I honestly don't care if a player has scored in the past X number of games. My belief is that dry spells and even bad games happen. But if you work hard enough, you'll get past it.

So no, last night had nothing to do with him not scoring, or even being "off". It was all about effort. As I've said before, when he's putting 100% of himself into a game, he's, in my opinion, the most dangerous player in the league at both ends of the ice. Even moreso than Sid, in my opinion. But when he doesn't, it's a disservice to everyone involved.


Fair enough.
And over the years you have praised Malkin when it was due.
But to say that Crosby doesn't take games off is false.

I think one big difference b/n 87 and 71 is focus. Crosby can laser in on a game be so on, more so than any other player on the ice. With Malkin a TO or blunder can wipe away his focus.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
I think Malkin FREQUENTLY lets a pass go by him on purpose-- to a teammate. He did that a couple of times last night and it often results in success.

Two things I noticed a month ago that still bug the daylights out of me during every game:

1. Phil Kessel can't cleanly catch a pass on his stick to save his life. He is the single biggest culprit on the team for destroying a breakout. Every pass to him, he juggles or fumbles, or double-catches it.
2. Kessel doesn't shoot on the PP nearly enough. He was passing up chances last night when he had open looks. He doesn't need much space or much of an opening. SHOOT the puck, Phil.


Not to give him a pass, but Kessel has been injured the past month (whenever he went into the boards). And then vs the Habs he did something to injure or reinjure himself


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
I think Malkin FREQUENTLY lets a pass go by him on purpose-- to a teammate. He did that a couple of times last night and it often results in success.

Two things I noticed a month ago that still bug the daylights out of me during every game:

1. Phil Kessel can't cleanly catch a pass on his stick to save his life. He is the single biggest culprit on the team for destroying a breakout. Every pass to him, he juggles or fumbles, or double-catches it.
2. Kessel doesn't shoot on the PP nearly enough. He was passing up chances last night when he had open looks. He doesn't need much space or much of an opening. SHOOT the puck, Phil.


I know what you're talking about. It's usually when someone sends it around the boards. Malkin (and other guys do this as well), will let it go so it can cycle to someone else.

The plays I saw weren't that. They were plays where Malkin was away from the boards (where he doesn't do that) and obviously the intended recipient. One one, he almost looked to be looking towards the bench...or something. I have no idea what he was looking at, honestly, but it wasn't the play because the puck went right by him. Hell, if his stick would have at least been on the ice, he still might have gotten it.

And the other was when he entered the zone on a semi rush, passed it to Kessel on the left wing and then he started skating down the middle of the ice. Kessel immediately tried to pass it back to Malkin for a quick give and go, which was at least somewhat open, but Malkin never bothered to look at Kessel and just drifted into no-man's land with no idea what was going on around him. The puck went right by him and the Caps took it the other way for a goal.

And hell, maybe both of those were some weird miscommunication. I seriously doubt it, but maybe I'm wrong. But I saw several other examples of him not putting nearly enough effort into his shifts.

Agreed 100% on Kessel, though, and I've been saying that since he came here. For all the talk about his skill and skating, he's kind of terrible at both. And let my try and explain what I mean. He can skate fast in a straight line. But when he tries to change direction it honestly looks like some of the beer leaguers I play with. He very rarely crosses his feet while turning and looks scared to death that he's going to lose his edge and fall down. And he usually just drifts in an arc until he can get going in a straight line again. It's very awkward. Like he has almost no agility on skates.

Same with his hands. He struggles to catch passes cleanly and gets nervous with the puck. And his stick-handling is just...weird. He has skill, and I've seen him use it on occasion (usually on power plays or 3v3 when he knows he has more room), but he won't try and handle the puck through traffic. The second he thinks he's going to get pressured, he gets rid of it. I originally thought it was just his unwillingness to get hit, but I really think he just doesn't have a whole lot of confidence handling the puck with players around him.

None of that is to say I think he sucks by any means. His scoring numbers speak for themselves and I'm happy as hell he's here. And I think his passing is very underrated, even by Pens fans that are more familiar with it. He's just very interesting to watch.


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The passing and shooting are elite of the elite. The skating and receiving of passes... less so.

BTW, he got injured in Montreal game when one of the Habs did a little testicular exam with the stick.

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Kessel played his 690th consecutive game last night.

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