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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Golden Kannnnnnnnniggots
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:10 pm 
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I watched until the MAF tribute and then only bits and pieces after that

Good news: Looks like our 5 v 5 play is normalizing
Bad news: Looks like our PP is normalizing :lol:

I saw Reaves score and I thought Hacksaw was going to kill his dog...



I will never hate a goal scored by a Pittsburgh Penguin or a save by one of their goalies.

I can only imagine two scenarios in which I'd want the team or one of its players to fail/lose.

1) A Mario/Crosby-type drafting tank
2) Where it would be the straw that broke the camels back in regards to a firing of a coach or the benching of a player (e.g., Bylsma's team, which clearly didn't have "it," losing to the Rangers after being up in a playoff series 3-1, leading to his ouster)

In every single regard, my leanings favor the team as a whole, and they ALWAYS come to fruition. Fleury getting usurped by Murray directly led to two Stanley Cups. Bylsma losing with Team USA made Shero's decision to fire him easier after the NYR series. In both cases, I wanted the yinzer-triggering thing to happen to better the logo.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Golden Kannnnnnnnniggots
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:50 pm 
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SteelPro wrote:
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VGK is getting some outstanding play from guys that were not supposed to produce like they are:

Karlsson
Marchessault
Smith

Neal is a shit but he’s talented. I can see them playing NASH, Winnipeg or San Jose for the West.


FWIW Marchessault put up 30 goals last year for the Panthers. And Reilly Smith has a 25 goal season on his resume and has averaged close to 20 over the last 4 years. Kind of nuts that the expansion draft was set up so well (and honestly a little unfair) for that team to get some pretty strong talent.


Not really. The team is still comprised of mostly bottom-6 players and third pairing defensemen. The true hero of the VGK story is their coach Gerrard Gallant, who built his team's playstyle perfectly around the suboptimal roster that Irsay created for him.


The draft made it very easy for teams to keep their core players. Take the Penguins for example. They're a team absolutely loaded with high-end talent, yet they were able to keep every single one of their desired players. Most teams didn't have the goaltender situation that the Penguins did, which necessitated the trade of Fleury/2nd round pick. That's an easy swap for Pitt, and VGK didn't hold them over a barrel. VGK could have easily selected someone like Justin Schultz instead. With how many goalies were available, this would have been the best option at the time. Very few teams had logjam situations that required them to give up huge assets to keep a player or just outright lose that player. I can only really think that Anaheim and Minnesota were truly hurting.

For Marchessault/Smith, Florida ownership wanted to drop payroll by $10 million. That was the easiest way to do it. Fans are responding to this by not showing up to the games (not that they were before).They are the Pirates of hockey.

Vegas could have easily held teams hostage more than they did or, in many, many cases, taken a better or more-established player than they did. For example, Vegas could have taken T.J. Oshie from WSH and threw a bunch of money at him instead of Schmidt. Sami Vatanen from ANA (though Theodore is outplaying him this season). Schultz (RFA) from PITT.

A lot of the top options available to Vegas from some teams were downright weak, unremarkable, or players entering free agency. A lot of these players, such as David Perron, are overperforming at the moment. Perron has been nothing more than an inconsistent 2nd line player his whole career. He's producing like a first liner at the moment. Erik Huala, the guy Vegas "settled for" in a trade, was nothing more than a solid 3C in Minnesota. He's performing like a top 6er right now. Derryk Engelland, a bottom-pairing/7th D guy, is playing top 4 minutes, is +12, and is one point off his career-high of 17 in just 52 games.

Nashville dumped Neal because he was in the last year of his contract and they valued some of their youth over him. I doubt if Neal would re-sign in NSH anyway. If anything, it was a tough sell for Vegas even to select him. He'd be likely to walk the next year if the team was bad. Then again, he would likely be involved in a midseason trade, yielding prospects in that scenario. Vegas easily could have went for a guy like Jarnkrok or Sissons, which would have just saved them money to land one of the higher-priced unprotected players instead.

Only a few team were absolutely idiotic. Everyone knew William Karlsson was going to have a breakout year. That's easy money.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Golden Kannnnnnnnniggots
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:08 pm 
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While I think Gallant is a fine coach, I think the thing you miss about Vegas is that the almost mimic the 2016 Pens team. Tons of F depth and quick players to play a "team defense" that gives other teams major problems.

They don't have a ton of top end guys like we do at F, but look at the bottom of their roster. All players who could play another tier where they are at and that creates matchup problems when you go against your opponents' 4th lines and 3rd pairings. We had that luxury with Bones and Cullen and even guys like Scott Wilson who were passable 3rd liners.

Agree with your point that while McPhee has built an unbelievably competitive immediate roster, he made some poor selections that might haunt this expansion team in the next 4 yrs or so


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Golden Kannnnnnnnniggots
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:26 pm 
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
For Marchessault/Smith, Florida ownership wanted to drop payroll by $10 million. That was the easiest way to do it. Fans are responding to this by not showing up to the games (not that they were before).They are the Pirates of hockey.

And (like the Pirates) the Panthers have a fantastic core to build around, but their ownership just sucks ass.

Sasha Barkov, Huberdeau, and Trochek are studs, and they are all under 25 and locked up for the next 4 years.

Ekblad and Yandle are a great #1 D pairing.

Bjugstad can play as a bottom 6 center or on the wing, and he's still fairly young.

The team has plenty of cap space to add depth, and they had 3 guys make Craig Button's top prospects list. The fact that their ownership/management keeps fucking around should really incense all 12 of their fans.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Golden Kannnnnnnnniggots
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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Golden Kannnnnnnnniggots
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:32 pm 
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
While I think Gallant is a fine coach, I think the thing you miss about Vegas is that the almost mimic the 2016 Pens team. Tons of F depth and quick players to play a "team defense" that gives other teams major problems.

They don't have a ton of top end guys like we do at F, but look at the bottom of their roster. All players who could play another tier where they are at and that creates matchup problems when you go against your opponents' 4th lines and 3rd pairings. We had that luxury with Bones and Cullen and even guys like Scott Wilson who were passable 3rd liners.

Agree with your point that while McPhee has built an unbelievably competitive immediate roster, he made some poor selections that might haunt this expansion team in the next 4 yrs or so


Especially with forward depth, they were downright scary in those last 2 minutes. Swarming and blowing past Penguins players.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Golden Kannnnnnnnniggots
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:15 pm 
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
While I think Gallant is a fine coach, I think the thing you miss about Vegas is that the almost mimic the 2016 Pens team. Tons of F depth and quick players to play a "team defense" that gives other teams major problems.

They don't have a ton of top end guys like we do at F, but look at the bottom of their roster. All players who could play another tier where they are at and that creates matchup problems when you go against your opponents' 4th lines and 3rd pairings. We had that luxury with Bones and Cullen and even guys like Scott Wilson who were passable 3rd liners.

Agree with your point that while McPhee has built an unbelievably competitive immediate roster, he made some poor selections that might haunt this expansion team in the next 4 yrs or so


Especially with forward depth, they were downright scary in those last 2 minutes. Swarming and blowing past Penguins players.

First time in a LONG time I remember seeing a Pens game where the Pens scored that dagger goal to go three up... and the other team didn't fold. Not only didn't they fold as I expected, they damn near forced overtime.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Golden Kannnnnnnnniggots
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:49 pm 
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I remember a few years ago when the Dreaded Three Goal Lead was a Penguin killer. Literally, soon as they were up three, it was "here we go again." Different regime, though.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Golden Kannnnnnnnniggots
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:58 pm 
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Ice wrote:
I remember a few years ago when the Dreaded Three Goal Lead was a Penguin killer. Literally, soon as they were up three, it was "here we go again." Different regime, though.
I haven't watched much of the season so far, only read the threads. They didn't paint a pretty picture at all, but do they still have the come back ability? The last two years is seemed a three goal deficit didn't affect this team and all, and would pull out a win out of their compression shorts at the end. Be it the 3rd or overtime.

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