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 Post subject: The College Football Season is Over
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:18 pm 
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I am truly saddened to say that the college football season is over. In some ways, I enjoy watching the college game more than the professional game. There's something truly to be said for a team of 19 and 20-year-olds to come together and win a national championship. For a group of young men to come together under a coach and his staff. There's still a love for the game that you see at the college level, before the money corrupts the game.

But enough the of the sentiment, the real purpose of my rambling was to put some thoughts to paper on what the Steelers need to do to be successful for the next several years, regardless of how they finish this season. There are a few areas that really need to be addressed on the roster.

Pass rusher
At some point the Steelers need to realize that Bud Dupree is simply never going to get it. He will make a play here and a play there, but he's never going to "get it" or have the light bulb come on. He is at the same point in his career that Jarvis Jones was two years ago. It's a damn shame considering how athletic he is, and the Steelers would do well to recognize it. TJ Watt has already shown more in one season than Dupree has in his first three seasons. The Steelers need to draft another guy to eventually take his place in a year. If not to replace him, to push him. Depth is putrid right now. ABSOLUTELY FUCKING DISGUSTING.

Inside linebacker
I'm terrified of the linebacking group as a whole. Outside of Vince Williams and TJ Watt, the rest of the group is borderline NFL depth. Vince Williams has surprised most of us this year, but that was with Ryan Shazier by his side. I fear the worst for Shazier and if he will ever be able to play or let alone be the same player. And even more, this group needs SPEED!

Safety
Man, I can't believe the bad angles Mike Mitchell takes for a guy who is going on his 9th season as a professional football player. The backups aren't that good either. It's time for a changing of the guard if you will. Sean Davis is the only piece that you can reasonably project who should be part of the future of this team.

Free agents to consider:
LB Jeremiah Attaochu, Chargers- This guy is no longer in the big picture for the Chargers. Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram are the future in San Diego and they are downright terrifying. Attaochu has had some injury problems but I was very high on him in the pre-draft process and he fits the Steelers needs at OLB. He's very athletic and can drop into coverage. I think he would be guy who can push Dupree and or challenge for his spot in 2019.

LB Anthony Hitchens, Cowboys- He is not as big of a priority as OLB, but Hitchens has been a decent player for Dallas this year. He'd be a nice depth piece or spot starter, but I expect the draft is where the Steelers will add a guy.

SAF Eric Reid, 49ers- The Steelers seems like they avoid drafting a FS like the plague. Ever since Chris Hope left it was Ryan Clark for 8 years and then Mike Mitchell. I think its pretty reasonable they could go after another if they are ready to bring in some more talent. Reid was another guy I like coming out and it appears that San Francisco isn't going to extend him. Not to mention, Reid is exactly the type of safety they have had for years.

SAF Tre Boston, Panthers- Boston was brought in this past offseason but got more money elsewhere. Could always be another option if Carolina doesn't want him back.

SAF Marcus Gilchrist, TExans- Depth sucks and I've always like Gilchrist. I thought he played solid for Houston this past season and our safety situation sucks.

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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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Why not go for Navarro Bowman? Still looks good. Could be a decent stopgap.

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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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jebrick wrote:
Why not go for Navarro Bowman? Still looks good. Could be a decent stopgap.

Because he fucking sucks!


Just kidding, I must have jumped over his name on the list when I was perusing it :lol:

He might be a good stop gap, it will be interesting to see what the Steelers do at ILB with Shazier likely out for next season.

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Eric Reid lost his starting job to Jaq Tartt half way through the season and was moved to linebacker.. I’m guessing he’d still be an upgrade over Mitchell or could have him bulk up 10 pounds to play a hybrid and fulfil some of Shaziers duties at ILB

I like a good story could sign Eric then draft his brother Justin who turned down LSU for Stanford so he could be close to his big brother


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Steeler Fury would go ape shit if the Steelers signed Reid. Have him kneel next to Villy would be good team drama for a year.

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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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Ronnie Harrison or Rashaan Evans RND 1.... flip a coin.


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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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jebrick wrote:
Steeler Fury would go ape shit if the Steelers signed Reid. Have him kneel next to Villy would be good team drama for a year.



Beat me to it...Reid is heading for the Kap treatment.


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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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jebrick wrote:
Why not go for Navarro Bowman? Still looks good. Could be a decent stopgap.


Honestly, he was my first offseason FA thought. Ticks some buttons. Solid vet FA, hasn't competed for a championship for a while, Penn State guy, experience in a 34. Does he have the speed and coverage ability at his age (29, getting up there) to do what we would ask him to do?


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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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Steelafan77 wrote:
Ronnie Harrison or Rashaan Evans RND 1.... flip a coin.

I’d like Harrison or Tremaine Edmunds


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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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Ice wrote:
jebrick wrote:
Why not go for Navarro Bowman? Still looks good. Could be a decent stopgap.


Honestly, he was my first offseason FA thought. Ticks some buttons. Solid vet FA, hasn't competed for a championship for a while, Penn State guy, experience in a 34. Does he have the speed and coverage ability at his age (29, getting up there) to do what we would ask him to do?


I am not saying that the Steelers do not draft a ILB but bowman would be a decent stopgap.

Think of FA to make up for failed draft picks. They have not tried to draft a replacement for Michell. i would really hate to get another FA to replace a failing FA.

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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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Dupree has the same or better stats as Danielle Hunter, in terms of sacks, pressures, TFL... and Bud probably drops in coverage 3x as much as Hunter (and Dupree has been very good in coverage). Yet I'm willing to bet most here would take Hunter in a heartbeat over Dupree.

Familiarity breeds contempt–and on top of that, we're using the OLBs completely differently right now.

Our depth, on the other hand... wow it's bad. To me, that means sign an eedge vet from the discount rack and draft a mid round, under the radar edge guy.

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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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don't forget about K. Adams coming back off IR next year...


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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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Kipers top 10 at all positions...

Quarterbacks
1. * Josh Rosen, UCLA
2. ** Sam Darnold, USC
3. * Josh Allen, Wyoming
4. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
5. * Drew Lock, Missouri
6. Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State
7. * Lamar Jackson, Louisville
8. Mike White, Western Kentucky
9. Luke Falk, Washington State
10. Kurt Benkert, Virginia
Lock is an underclassman to keep an eye on. He really finished the season strong as Missouri won six straight games and he had 43 touchdown passes to 12 interceptions.

Running backs
1. * Saquon Barkley, Penn State
2. * Bryce Love, Stanford
3. * Derrius Guice, LSU
4. * Ronald Jones II, USC
5. * Damien Harris, Alabama
6. Nick Chubb, Georgia
7. * Kerryon Johnson, Auburn
8. Rashaad Penny, San Diego State
9. Royce Freeman, Oregon
10. Sony Michel, Georgia
So Barkley is the clear No. 1, and after that it's going to come down to testing numbers at the combine. Harris is one of my favorite prospects in this class. Johnson is banged up but has had a breakout 2017 season.

Fullbacks/H-backs
1. Jaylen Samuels, NC State
2. Dimitri Flowers, Oklahoma
3. Nick Bawden, San Diego State
4. Khalid Hill, Michigan
5. * Winston Dimel, Kansas State
6. Austin Ramesh, Wisconsin
7. Daniel Marx, Stanford
8. Garrett Dickerson, Northwestern
9. J.D. Moore, LSU
10. * Alec Ingold, Wisconsin
Bawden is the best bruising fullback -- he's 6-foot-3, 245 pounds, and paves the way for fringe Heisman candidate Rashaad Penny.

Wide receivers
1. * Calvin Ridley, Alabama
2. * Courtland Sutton, SMU
3. Anthony Miller, Memphis
4. * Christian Kirk, Texas A&M
5. Michael Gallup, Colorado State
6. * D.J. Moore, Maryland
7. * Jordan Lasley, UCLA
8. *Simmie Cobbs, Indiana
9. * Parris Campbell, Ohio State
10. James Washington, Oklahoma State
Lasley has come on as Josh Rosen's No. 1 target, finishing the regular season with back-to-back 200-yard games.

Tight ends
1. Dallas Goedert, South Dakota State
2. * Mark Andrews, Oklahoma
3. Mike Gesicki, Penn State
4. Ian Thomas, Indiana
5. * Hayden Hurst, South Carolina
6. Durham Smythe, Notre Dame
7. Troy Fumagalli, Wisconsin
8. Tyler Conklin, Central Michigan
9. * C.J. Conrad, Kentucky
10. Christopher Herndon, Miami (Fla.)
Smythe has only 26 career catches for the Fighting Irish, but he has some receiving skills. He might be a better pro than college player.

Offensive tackles
1. Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
2. * Connor Williams, Texas
3. * Orlando Brown, Oklahoma
4. Martinas Rankin, Mississippi State
5. Chukwuma Okorafor, Western Michigan
6. Desmond Harrison, West Georgia
7. Tyrell Crosby, Oregon
8. Timon Parris, Stony Brook
9. Brandon Parker, NC A&T
10. Jamarco Jones, Ohio State
Harrison is a Texas transfer who also spent time at a junior college. Jones has really improved from last season.

Offensive guards
1. * Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame
2. Braden Smith, Auburn
3. Will Hernandez, UTEP
4. Isaiah Wynn, Georgia
5. Cody O'Connell, Washington State
6. * Sam Jones, Arizona State
7. Brendan Mahon, Penn State
8. Austin Corbett, Nevada
9. KC McDermott, Miami (Fla.)
10. Wyatt Teller, Virginia Tech
O'Connell is massive -- 6-foot-8, 354 pounds.

Centers
1. Billy Price, Ohio State
2. Frank Ragnow, Arkansas
3. * James Daniels, Iowa
4. * Will Clapp, LSU
5. Mason Cole, Michigan
6. * Alec Eberle, Florida State
7. Scott Quessenberry, UCLA
8. * Sam Mustipher, Notre Dame
9. Brian Allen, Michigan State
10. Patrick Morris, TCU
It's not a strong center class past the top two, and Ragnow was injured in October and hasn't played since.

Defensive ends
1. Bradley Chubb, NC State
2. ** Clelin Ferrell, Clemson
3. * Rasheem Green, USC
4. * Sam Hubbard, Ohio State
5. * Austin Bryant, Clemson
6. Tyquan Lewis, Ohio State
7. * Ben Banogu, TCU
8. * Jalen Jelks, Oregon
9. Duke Ejiofor, Wake Forest
10. Marcus Davenport, Texas (SA)
Green is probably an end in a 3-4. He has eight sacks this season. Jelks has 15 tackles for loss and 6.5 sacks.

Defensive tackles
1. * Christian Wilkins, Clemson
2. * Vita Vea, Washington
3. Da'Ron Payne, Alabama
4. Maurice Hurst, Michigan
5. * Taven Bryan, Florida
6. * Harrison Phillips, Stanford
7. * Jerry Tillery, Notre Dame
8. **Dre'Mont Jones, Ohio State
9. Derrick Nnadi, Florida State
10. Josh Fatu, USC
I have four tackles in my 25, but it's still early. We still don't have accurate sizes on Wilkins and Vea, who are at the top for now.

Inside linebackers
1. * Roquan Smith, Georgia
2. Rashaan Evans, Alabama
3. Josey Jewell, Iowa
4. Micah Kiser, Virginia
5. * Cameron Smith, USC
6. * T.J. Edwards, Wisconsin
7. Chris Worley, Ohio State
8. Shaun Dion Hamilton, Alabama
9. * Josh Watson, Colorado State
10. Nyles Morgan, Notre Dame
Kiser has 9.5 tackles for loss and 134 tackles this season.

Outside linebackers
1. * Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech
2. * Arden Key, LSU
3. Harold Landry, Boston College
4. Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Oklahoma
5. * Josh Allen, Kentucky
6. Lorenzo Carter, Georgia
7. Uchenna Nwosu, USC
8. * Jerome Baker, Ohio State
9. * Malik Jefferson, Texas
10. * Jeff Holland, Auburn
Holland has nine sacks this season after limited playing time in 2016.

Cornerbacks
1. * Denzel Ward, Ohio State
2. * Joshua Jackson, Iowa
3. * Isaiah Oliver, Colorado
4. * Tarvarus McFadden, Florida State
5. M.J. Stewart, North Carolina
6. * Carlton Davis, Auburn
7. * Jaire Alexander, Louisville
8. Anthony Averett, Alabama
9. * Donte Jackson, LSU
10. Darius Phillips, Western Michigan
The cornerback class could be deep. Stewart is a versatile player who will help a team in the return game.

Safeties
1. * Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
2. ** Derwin James, Florida State
3. * Ronnie Harrison, Alabama
4. * Justin Reid, Stanford
5. Armani Watts, Texas A&M
6. Kyzir White, West Virginia
7. * DeShon Elliott, Texas
8. Jeremy Reaves, So. Alabama
9. Quin Blanding, Virginia
10. * Jaquan Johnson, Miami (Fla)
Reid, whose brother is NFL safety Eric Reid, has five interceptions and 88 tackles this season.

Kickers and punters
1. Johnny Townsend, Florida (P)
2. JK Scott, Alabama (P)
3. * Michael Dickson, Texas (P)
4. Shane Tripucka, Texas A&M (P)
5. Daniel Carlson, Auburn (K)
6. * Bryce Crawford, San Jose State (K)
7. Trevor Daniel, Tennessee (P)
8. * Matt Gay, PK, Utah
9. * Jake Bailey, Stanford (P)
10. Joe Davidson, Bowling Green (P)
Townsend and Scott are definitely draftable prospects.

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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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RB group is LOADED.

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I'd love to get one of the top 3 ILBs. Plug and Play.

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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
RB group is LOADED.

Agreed. One thing I don't get is how Sony Michel is seemingly never mentioned as the potential #2 RB off the board. He checks off so many boxes you want in a RB: gets to the 2nd level quickly, quality catcher and blocker, shows at least some power. Age doesn't help him as he'll be 23 when the season starts.

If Bell is not on this team next year he's the guy I want them to look at in the 2nd round.


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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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Anybody watched enough Mizzou football to give an opinion on Lock? I'll confess I haven't at this point, wrote them off as awful at the beginning of the season, and it appears I missed a little something.


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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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Rashaad Penny is 8th on his list. NCAA's 5th all-time rusher. Should go in the 2nd round.

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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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Ice wrote:
Anybody watched enough Mizzou football to give an opinion on Lock? I'll confess I haven't at this point, wrote them off as awful at the beginning of the season, and it appears I missed a little something.


We've got all next year to study him...going back to school right?

I 3rd the Sony Michel endorsement. He feels like a perfect Le'veon replacement to me.


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Really like Sony Michel as well. Id be totally good with adding him to our roster.


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 Post subject: Re: The College Football Season is Over
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I like both UGA rbs...a lot actually...but I think they'll both be gone by the Steelers pick in rd 2. They're that good and GREAT kids.

Only watched FC's guy Penny once this yr in the bowl game loss to Army but dig him too. He'd be a day 2 gift. Very deep rb class for certain.

I'd be in favor of locking up Bell long term and save that early draft pick to address needs on defense.

If the Steelers don't see the long term value, then I really hope they can tag and trade. Hate to see Bell just walk away with nothing in return.


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SteelDrama wrote:
I like both UGA rbs...a lot actually...but I think they'll both be gone by the Steelers pick in rd 2. They're that good and GREAT kids.

Only watched FC's guy Penny once this yr in the bowl game loss to Army but dig him too. He'd be a day 2 gift. Very deep rb class for certain.

I'd be in favor of locking up Bell long term and save that early draft pick to address needs on defense.

If the Steelers don't see the long term value, then I really hope they can tag and trade. Hate to see Bell just walk away with nothing in return.




Agreed on Penny as well, I only watched a couple of his games, not knowing what his 10 yd or 40 time are his 1 negative I could see is that he has an upright running style, hes gonna take some big hits running like that. Needs to lower those pads.


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couple of guys I really like not even on this top 10 list

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Lock Michel Jewell and one of the top 5 safeties


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