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 Post subject: Belated Birthday Mock
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Turned 29 yesterday. Still don't really know where life is taking me, but I sure feel like I know where the Steelers need to go at this point. All of this Drama with Bell and Brown needs to be put firmly in the past. Brown's true colors have shown and its a miracle he was a Steeler for as long as he was due to his antics. I see all of the elite prospects being gone, and I think a team could be looking to trade up to get a player that fits their scheme. I think it will be Houston trying to add the last piece to their OL. The Steelers take the small trade down and pick up their 1st and 2nd round pick.

1.23- Marquise Brown WR Oklahoma- Easily the most explosive WR in this class, the perfect guy to replace his demented cousin.
2.52- Vosean Joseph LB Florida- Tons of speed, gives the Steelers another sideline to sideline defender who can play all three downs.
2.55- Julian Love CB Notre Dame- Think this kid should still be getting more attention, but he's a good athlete who can play inside and outside.
3.66- D'Andre Walker LB Georgia- An injury has really has hurt his pre-draft process but I think he can be one heck of a player when healthy.
3.83- Justice Hill RB Oklahoma State- Love this kid, super twitchy and brings some speed to the field.
4.122- Amani Hooker SAF Iowa- Not an elite athlete by any means, but has a solid all-around game to backup Davis and Edmunds
5.141- Foster Moreau TE LSU- A complete TE who can develop into a good #2, better receiver than given credit for as well.
6.175- Daylon Mack DT Texas A&M- A big guy to help plug the middle and push McCullers off the roster.
6.192- Albert Huggins DT Clemson- Another run plugger to help the sporadic run defense.
6.207- Ryan Pope OT San Diego State- Big linemen who had a good showing at the East/West Shrine Game.
7.219- Terrone Prescod OG North Carolina State- An old school linemen who has good size and toughness, was graded the highest OL at NC State by PFF, and that's saying something considering who he was playing with this past season.

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First 5 picks are $$$$$$$$

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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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Happy Birthday, love the trade back scenario. Really hoping they drop back in the first or out of the first all together. I would love another 2nd and 3rd.

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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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Would be my dream draft.


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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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Would be my dream draft.


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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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Happy Belated Birthday, Smith! Enjoy your youth!

As usual I like the mock especially the trade down scenario.

I think I want to believe Hollywood Brown would be on the Steelers' draft board, but as many have said given what they went through with his cousin AB it seems unlikely.

Still, in pondering this for all of 20 seconds it occurred to me that I have many cousins.
Some engineers, nurses, teachers..successful contributors to society types.
Some not so successful. One of my dad's cousins is a walking assault charge. Basically a good dude, but spent the prime years of his life in prison.
Point being MAYBEEE AB is the outlier of the Brown family. MAYBEEE he's the lone bad apple that the rest of the Brown family avoids talking about at Thanksgiving dinner.

Even if TomBert subscribes to my flimsy outlier cousin theory and Hollywood is on the Steelers' draft board, I'd prefer to go defense in round 1 given the depth of WR in this class.
However, the trade down scenario makes it a more appealing option.

I don't know if it's the conservative nature of Kirby Smart that has clouded my judgement, but I'm kind of down on Walker. Somebody talk me into liking this bulldog more.


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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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I am of the belief now that CB will be that #1 pick unless some amazing player falls to them. Haden and Burns will be Fa next year. The Steelers are always drafting a year ahead. The gaping hole of talent at ILB forces the issue there. The draft is deep enough in WR that I could easily see them waiting until round 3 to pick one up.

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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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jebrick wrote:
I am of the belief now that CB will be that #1 pick unless some amazing player falls to them. Haden and Burns will be Fa next year. The Steelers are always drafting a year ahead. The gaping hole of talent at ILB forces the issue there. The draft is deep enough in WR that I could easily see them waiting until round 3 to pick one up.

In that case, I'd put my money on Julian Love.

• Tombert at pro day
• Underaged
• Power 5 ish school
• lots of turnover production + Passes defensed
• willingness to tackle
• off the radar

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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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The guy who I think will be hard to pass on at 20 is TJ Hockensen. I think it will be that case of the #1 prospect at a position will fall due to the run on defenders early. Also fits a need and he also declared as a Redshirt Sophomore. The Steelers love their underclassmen in the 1st round. I’d rather the offense feature two dominant TEs than 3 WRs, the TE can help the Steelers more in the run game while still proving a receiving threat.

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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
jebrick wrote:
I am of the belief now that CB will be that #1 pick unless some amazing player falls to them. Haden and Burns will be Fa next year. The Steelers are always drafting a year ahead. The gaping hole of talent at ILB forces the issue there. The draft is deep enough in WR that I could easily see them waiting until round 3 to pick one up.

In that case, I'd put my money on Julian Love.

• Tombert at pro day
• Underaged
• Power 5 ish school
• lots of turnover production + Passes defensed
• willingness to tackle
• off the radar


Colbert said they are changing ( finally!!) the way they evaluate CBs. Tackling will no longer be the #1 attribute.
I would bet they can get Love in the 2nd if a ILB is there. If they did not have the hole at ILB I would put my money on CB. Right now I would say ILB/CB are even money to be picked in the first 2 rounds.

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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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But they signed Mark Barron. There isn't the gaping hole everyone thinks there is, even though we'd like to upgrade, obviously.

to me, the biggest holes are:
speed WR
short yardage RB
long-term starter at EDGE
Who do you need so that you can deal with Joe Haden becoming a FA next year?
STs: everywhere from specialists, to return guys, to coverage guys, to blockers/contributors

the most upgradeable:
long-term starter at Mack
FS
Versatile edge depth
TE Depth
CB deep depth (#4-6)

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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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Haven't watched Brown yet but any concerns he is a product of a conference that has no interest in Defense and an Oklahoma system that sets up their skill players/QB for success?


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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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steelclan wrote:
Haven't watched Brown yet but any concerns he is a product of a conference that has no interest in Defense and an Oklahoma system that sets up their skill players/QB for success?

Could have something to do with it....


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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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Brown basically did most of what AB did in Pittsburgh in their offense. He's faster than AB, not as refined in route-running, but AB wasn't a finished product coming out, either. MBrown might be the fastest player in the draft at distances longer than 40 yards. Damn, he can fly.

The only thing MB didn't do at all was special teams returns. It seems like he'd be a great PR, but he never did it. Add in the injury concern about his foot... I think it's a longshot he's the Steelers' pick unless he somehow falls into mid round 2.

Mecole Hardman is a much better bet. Nearly as fast, best returner in CFB, slightly bigger than MB, better hands catcher, slightly better route runner. Available no worse than late Round 3, possibly Round 4.

I haven't heard if Steelers sent Drake to Missouri pro day, but I believe he was at Georgia. Mile Boykin apparently on their radar, as well. I think he's a 4th or 5th round guy.

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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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Drake was at the Arizona St pro day.


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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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smithessmokin wrote:
The guy who I think will be hard to pass on at 20 is TJ Hockensen. I think it will be that case of the #1 prospect at a position will fall due to the run on defenders early. Also fits a need and he also declared as a Redshirt Sophomore. The Steelers love their underclassmen in the 1st round. I’d rather the offense feature two dominant TEs than 3 WRs, the TE can help the Steelers more in the run game while still proving a receiving threat.


Agree, just had this same conversation on Twitter.

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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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I’d be happy with TJ Hockensen being our pick but he won’t be there at pick 20.

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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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Happy belated birthday smokin Hope it was a good one, because you’ll be over the hill at this time next year. :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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On the side note:

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AJ Brown!! look at that 3-cone

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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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jebrick wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
jebrick wrote:
I am of the belief now that CB will be that #1 pick unless some amazing player falls to them. Haden and Burns will be Fa next year. The Steelers are always drafting a year ahead. The gaping hole of talent at ILB forces the issue there. The draft is deep enough in WR that I could easily see them waiting until round 3 to pick one up.

In that case, I'd put my money on Julian Love.

• Tombert at pro day
• Underaged
• Power 5 ish school
• lots of turnover production + Passes defensed
• willingness to tackle
• off the radar


Colbert said they are changing ( finally!!) the way they evaluate CBs. Tackling will no longer be the #1 attribute.
I would bet they can get Love in the 2nd if a ILB is there. If they did not have the hole at ILB I would put my money on CB. Right now I would say ILB/CB are even money to be picked in the first 2 rounds.


When has tackling been a #1 attribute on a Tomlin-coached team during the last 10 years?

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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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Holy hell - who is Dawson Knox? Great numbers for a big guy


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 Post subject: Re: Belated Birthday Mock
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JackLambert58 wrote:

When has tackling been a #1 attribute on a Tomlin-coached team during the last 10 years?


Colbert said, earlier this year, that they were changing the way they evaluate CBs with less emphasis on tackling . It was in a Ray Fittipaldo piece.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1903050117

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After a couple of recent early draft picks did not pan out and after evaluating what his defense needs most to improve, Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert and his staff are changing their philosophy on how they evaluate cornerback prospects in advance of this year’s draft.

For years, the Steelers coveted size and tackling ability in their corners, but Colbert said college players that showed ball-hawking skills will be valued more as the team evolves with changes in the league.

“The game has changed,” Colbert said. “Look, we sacked the quarterback at a very good rate, but our takeaways are not very good at all. It’s really reflective on the players we have back there. What we want to look at, what we want to value looking forward, is let’s value the takeaway-capable guys who have shown they’ve been able to do that in college.

“Our game has always been about getting physical players who can come off the edge and close off the edge and make a tackle. But are they doing that at the expense of not making plays on the football? We have to maybe try to find that balance and maybe be more open to the concept that the game is constantly changing, and if you want playmakers in the back end, then find someone who has done it.”

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I said WILLINGNESS, not ability. They're not drafting a CB who is disinterested in contact/tackling... they're just prioritizing coverage and ball skills.

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Yeah, I am totally okay with them emphasizing ballhawking and coverage over tackling. You don't want somebody who becomes like a pylon out there, like Artie Burns for example, but of the order of importance it has to be coverage, ballhawking, and then tackling.

Amazing how Artie turned out, a somewhat promising rookie year and then he starts talking about already having CTE in year two was it?, then last season losing his starting job and getting beat like a drum when he did have to step in.

If we draft a CB in the first 3 rounds I think he does not make it out of training camp. We can save $1.757 million by cutting him.

The more film I watch of Steven Nelson, the more I am impressed. Forget about the INTs and stout tackling of the run, I am really impressed at how he plays the catch point and was able to knock out the ball from the receiver. His instincts to do that, his burst and quickness to do that were always missing from Artie Burns game. Nelson makes it look effortless, very cool and calm about it, but with Burns it was frantic, it was him playing nervous and desperate. Ballhawking, coverage, I think you either have it or you don't on some basic level.

I really feel like we added say, a young Joe Haden to go with our aging Joe Haden. That ends up being a pretty good starting duo at CB, the best we have had in years. I would much rather have the Steelers sign free agent CBs then draft them. Maybe with Teryl Austin now, they will be better at scouting CBs which can then be coached and developed, who knows??

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I think Julian Love, ND, is the CB they will fall in love with. He looks pretty solid in coverage and is a good and willing tackler.

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