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 Post subject: Re: This Is The Mock I Have Today... Long Way To Go
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:45 pm 
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If the Steelers are looking at a space eating NT this draft has some good ones. I just do not know what they are looking for anymore.

Harrison Phillips, Derrick Nnadi,Tim Settle, Poona Ford.

I think Tim Settle is perfect. He's going to go about pick 40. So, how would you feel about Tim Settle at 28? Can't see them doing it... and although I considered it for like 5 minutes in the board draft and for like 10 seconds in this mock, I couldn't pull the trigger on such a boom/bust guy, even if he epitomizes planet theory.

Harrison Phillips is a made to order 5 tech. Nnadi's lack of explosion AND lack of movement skills doom him. Poona's a good player but I can't imagine he'll hold up with his lack of length. I could be wrong. I'd say Vita Vea, Settle, Fatukasi, maybe Senat are the guys I could see. I'm not so into the Alabama guys, but Payne might work as a limited snaps player. I'm not sure I see the value in it. I think Settle and Fatukasi could see lots of snaps along the line and in packages.

He will get drafted well before pick 28 so no point in debating it but B2B you're WAY underselling Da'Ron Payne imo. Kid's a STUD.
Tim Settle was a kid I really liked but man he looked really sloppy at the combine. Tape matters most, but he looked awful. A slide to day 3 wouldn't shock me.
I think Ken Norton's kid could be a sleeper pick with Karl Dunbar visiting the 'Canes pro day.


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 Post subject: Re: This Is The Mock I Have Today... Long Way To Go
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:30 pm 
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cop1211 wrote:
I like Hill and Jones from NC State as DT/NT prospects.

I think those guys are pretty good-- but it's hard to know considering the overall talent on that line overwhelming OLs.

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 Post subject: Re: This Is The Mock I Have Today... Long Way To Go
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:35 am 
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A quick mock this morning....

@ 28 Leighton Vander Esch
@ 60 Jesse Bates III
@ 92 Jaylen Samuels
@ 148 B.J. Hill
@ 165 Fred Warner
@ 176 Alex Cappa
@ 246 Durham Smythe


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 Post subject: Re: This Is The Mock I Have Today... Long Way To Go
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:06 am 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:

Harrison Phillips is a made to order 5 tech. Nnadi's lack of explosion AND lack of movement skills doom him. Poona's a good player but I can't imagine he'll hold up with his lack of length. I could be wrong. I'd say Vita Vea, Settle, Fatukasi, maybe Senat are the guys I could see. I'm not so into the Alabama guys, but Payne might work as a limited snaps player. I'm not sure I see the value in it. I think Settle and Fatukasi could see lots of snaps along the line and in packages.


Phillips is only 6'3 which does not fit into the Standard Steeler DE ( that being 6'5) but he does have all the attributes to make a good 0/1 tech.
Ford has those outrageously long arms and is built like a bowling ball. He also plays very low.

Again, I am not sure what the Steelers are looking for any more at NT. If we go to the player that you must double then ( outside Vea), Phillips is outstanding.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:01 am 
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I think Payne is better suited to not being a nose tackle, too. He's also underaged. But my question is: do Harrison and Payne as NTs make this defense better? How much better? For how many snaps a game? I think both have strengths but I think they're going to go too early because the draft doesn't have many outlier big men. And, next year is going to be a big man DL extravaganza, if the guys who are expected to come out come out. Like 3 easy 1st rounders pushing down a Vita Vea type to late 1st, early 2nd.

To me, Settle is a little different. He's super young, not just in age but I think in maturity as a person/body. He's a freak-- even his poor combine showing had elements of freakishness. It looked like he's never practiced a drill in his life. He has dynamism on tape that none of the other guys mentioned had. Boom or bust, to be sure, but the boom side is Ngata/Fat Casey territory.

I'm way more worried about Sean Davis having to cover a WR from off man in quarters/Red Zone than I am about Hargrave's down sophomore year. The situation isn't perfect at NT but they have some bodies to throw at it. Safety is still a clusterfuck.

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 Post subject: Re: This Is The Mock I Have Today... Long Way To Go
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I'm beginning to think it's gonna be Guice in the 1st Round and that the front office is done w/ Bell and his BS...then ILB, SS in 2nd/3rd round....


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I think they're in bad shape locating a starting-caliber Mack after pick 20 of this draft who isn't named Skai Moore (with his medical questions) or perhaps Shaquem Griffin (I don't think that's the right position for him).

If you're a Fred Warner fan (I'm not) it could be him. Jerome Baker, same thing (also not a fan). I think Warner's a 4-3 OLB and I'm not at all sure Baker can play inside in a 3-4.

I don't know what they're going to do, other than roll with Bostic and a limited rookie splitting snaps. Maybe they'll take a risk with Rashaan Evans and his recurrent groin issues and coverage flaws, but I'd be surprised, because he just seems like more of a Buck type.

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 Post subject: Re: This Is The Mock I Have Today... Long Way To Go
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Im also thinking its LVE or bust for ILB. might draft one in the 5th or later if they dont go LVE, and I think he wont be available. Maybe Leonard in the second???
Im starting to think it might be a little shocker in the first, RB,WR, or CB or Bates/Reed.


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cop1211 wrote:
Im also thinking its LVE or bust for ILB. might draft one in the 5th or later if they dont go LVE, and I think he wont be available. Maybe Leonard in the second???
Im starting to think it might be a little shocker in the first, RB,WR, or CB or Bates/Reed.

I’m beginning to think it’s going to be a big shock...QB. Rudolph or Jackson...

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 Post subject: Re: This Is The Mock I Have Today... Long Way To Go
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Jobus Rum wrote:
cop1211 wrote:
Im also thinking its LVE or bust for ILB. might draft one in the 5th or later if they dont go LVE, and I think he wont be available. Maybe Leonard in the second???
Im starting to think it might be a little shocker in the first, RB,WR, or CB or Bates/Reed.

I’m beginning to think it’s going to be a big shock...QB. Rudolph or Jackson...

“You may be wrong for all I know but you maybe right.”
Rudolph was in studio on path to the draft tonight. Seems like a quality kid but I hope you’re wrong, Jobu.
I enjoy watching Lamar Jackson play football but his selection might cost me a TV. Oh well Plasma is outdated technology anyway.


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Id be fine with Rudolph, I think he can get it done. Jackson no thanks to small run first QB's anyone remember Robert Griffin? Me neither.


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 Post subject: Re: This Is The Mock I Have Today... Long Way To Go
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Any QB who has a Wonderlic of 13 and whose agent has literally breastfed him, he's DND to me.

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 Post subject: Re: This Is The Mock I Have Today... Long Way To Go
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:11 pm 
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Solid mock B2B.

I think this may be the season the Steelers trade down

Names to watch for IMO you don't hear a ton about associated with the Steelers

Harrison Phillips DT/DE- Can play inside and out. Can really rush the passer

Jeff Holland OLB -Young raw...Can bend and rush the passer. Explosive 1st step

Sony Michel...He has warts...He will fumble. He is bigger faster and far more explosive than one would think

The additions of Bostic and Burnett change things a bit I guess...I would still look to improve both positions.

The Steelers lack depth on the roster IMO...They need to add a 7th OL and improve the backers for example

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 Post subject: Re: This Is The Mock I Have Today... Long Way To Go
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Jeff Holland is intriguing to me. I think I read somewhere he improved his 40 time to 4.68 at Auburns's Pro Day. I know people are labeling him as having a bad body, not having a chiseled physique I guess?, but if he can play who the hell cares what he looks like with his shirt off?

I am not concerned about drafting RB who may occasionally fumble because our own Leveon Bell has become a fumbler now, so a rookie RB would fit right in. Bell has 7 fumbles in his last 27 games.

I just don't want to see the Steelers force the issue at ILB or at S. If the top prospects are gone then go best player available at another position, don't force it.

That is how you end up with Bud Dupree or Artie Burns. They were hell bent on spending a first round pick in a position of need and that was that. Both of those players are already at a crossroads in their careers. Will Dupree even have his 5th year option picked up? If the Steelers draft an OLB in round 1 or 2 doesn't that mean he was a wasted pick? I think that if Burns does not remove his head from his ass, Sutton could very well sneak in and steal the starting job from Burns.

I would not draft Evans in round 1 at all. Sorry but a 30 inch vertical and refuses to run the 40? That 4.36 short shuttle time was one of the worst at the combine for inside linebackers. It wouldn't surprise me to see him run a 4.75 40. That is not a good enough athlete to spend a 1st round pick on.

IF LVE and Justin Reid are both gone, and say Bates too, do you really take a chance on Evans in round 1? That is scary as hell, to take a chance on another Jarvis Jones-type? Athletically, you have to put up at least some baseline numbers, and to me Evans just does not make the grade.

Better to grab Guice or Michel in that scenario, don't force the issue, don't reach for Evans.

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