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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:45 pm 
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Last offseason I posted a topic where I broke down DeAngelo Williams production as a starter in this offense and compared it to what Bell had did as a starter. The results of all of my research? The offense was more productive with Williams surprisingly. They scored more points. So, why was that exactly?

Well, I love me a multidimensional RB who can run, block and catch. Somebody you don't have to take out for a specialist or a platoon of RBs. Love watching Bell play, love watching him catch the ball, but EVERYTHING IN MODERATION!!!

I am fine with a RB catching 60 balls a year, but when you are catching 85 in a year, when you are being targeted so much, that you have more targets than ALL of the TEs combined, when you are targeted more than somebody like Smith-Schuster, well, that starts to become a problem.

If I am a defense I want the Steelers to spend precious targets throwing to Bell, why not give up short underneath passes at 7.7 yards a clip this past season? And Bell only had 2 TD receiving for the year.

The more time this offense squanders opportunities forcing it to Bell, means JuJu gets less chances, means Vance McDonald gets less chances, means Bryant gets less chances.

When I saw the offense with Williams as the RB, Ben/Haley were more willing to involve everybody on offense, to take advantage of all of the weapons. With Bell, it is like they get enamored with his talent and then develop this myopic tunnel vision that actually limits the offense.

Also, this past year showed that it is easier than ever to find a RB who can run and catch. You can find a RB with Bell's versatility in rounds 2 and 3 each and every year. He is that replaceable.

The Saints Kamara as a rookie, rushed for over 700 yards, a 6.1 yard average, 8 TDs and oh, had 81 catches for 826 yards and 5 TDs, that is 10.1 yards a catch. He was a 3rd round pick.

Everybody knows about Kareem Hunt for KC, he was a 3rd rounder too.

Minnesota's Dalvin Cook was a 2nd rounder and before he got hurt he looked to have great potential to be part of this renaissance of great runner/catcher that are in the NFL now. Bell is not unique, there was a dry spell, everything follows a cycle, now that type of RB is back and plentiful.

It would be stupid to pay Bell what he wants when, yeah, that type of RB really does grow on trees apparently, and teams are plucking from that tree every year now.


I don't know. It is an interesting point. It does seem to me that as the offense shifted more from Bell rushing to Bell receiving this year that the success of the offense has increased. We will see what happens.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:22 am 
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Also, if Bell is tagged this year (for the 2nd time) it's 20% more, for a total of @ $14.5M

Non-QB's cannot be tagged for a 3rd year. He's guaranteed to be a UFA after next year if he doesn't sign an extension.

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Hilarious overreaction in this thread.

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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It's just Leveon being Leveon. Dude's kind of a knucklehead, but I love the guy....love that he's on our team.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:39 am 
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Scunge wrote:
Last offseason I posted a topic where I broke down DeAngelo Williams production as a starter in this offense and compared it to what Bell had did as a starter. The results of all of my research? The offense was more productive with Williams surprisingly. They scored more points. So, why was that exactly?

Well, I love me a multidimensional RB who can run, block and catch. Somebody you don't have to take out for a specialist or a platoon of RBs. Love watching Bell play, love watching him catch the ball, but EVERYTHING IN MODERATION!!!

I am fine with a RB catching 60 balls a year, but when you are catching 85 in a year, when you are being targeted so much, that you have more targets than ALL of the TEs combined, when you are targeted more than somebody like Smith-Schuster, well, that starts to become a problem.

If I am a defense I want the Steelers to spend precious targets throwing to Bell, why not give up short underneath passes at 7.7 yards a clip this past season? And Bell only had 2 TD receiving for the year.

The more time this offense squanders opportunities forcing it to Bell, means JuJu gets less chances, means Vance McDonald gets less chances, means Bryant gets less chances.

When I saw the offense with Williams as the RB, Ben/Haley were more willing to involve everybody on offense, to take advantage of all of the weapons. With Bell, it is like they get enamored with his talent and then develop this myopic tunnel vision that actually limits the offense.

Also, this past year showed that it is easier than ever to find a RB who can run and catch. You can find a RB with Bell's versatility in rounds 2 and 3 each and every year. He is that replaceable.

The Saints Kamara as a rookie, rushed for over 700 yards, a 6.1 yard average, 8 TDs and oh, had 81 catches for 826 yards and 5 TDs, that is 10.1 yards a catch. He was a 3rd round pick.

Everybody knows about Kareem Hunt for KC, he was a 3rd rounder too.

Minnesota's Dalvin Cook was a 2nd rounder and before he got hurt he looked to have great potential to be part of this renaissance of great runner/catcher that are in the NFL now. Bell is not unique, there was a dry spell, everything follows a cycle, now that type of RB is back and plentiful.

It would be stupid to pay Bell what he wants when, yeah, that type of RB really does grow on trees apparently, and teams are plucking from that tree every year now.


I’m not paying Bell what he wants, but your logic is flawed otherwise about RB targets.

A RB that can catch the ball and pick up 7.7 yards on average is helping the offense stay ahead of the chains.

Multiple targets for multiple targets’ sake is silly.

Last year was last year. I don’t see the offense becoming limited and enameled of Bell this season.

In fact, as someone else pointed out, when Bell started being more receiver than RB this year, the offense has done better.

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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I’m trying to win a super bowl...I can care less about what happens after this season...my biggest thing I’m focused on is this team I’m on right now, playing for/with my brothers, & bringing back a 7th ring! what happens next year is irrelevant to my goals

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Bell is dumb. Players in general are dumb. If we all just accept that notion, and watch the game for what it is, we would all be less agitated in general.

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:00 am 
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Unless you have a trade already worked out with Bell on the FT, you have to let him walk.
14.5mil is just too much for this team to endure IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Stillerz Bar wrote:
Good Lord - the right answer of course is

"We're trying to win a Super Bowl and I have an important playoff game to focus on. There will be plenty of time to deal with my contract once the season is over."

Then he can bitch and moan all he wants about how $14M isn't enough.

Seriously, how much of this year's drama is self inflicted? :roll:

Thanks- this is the story....that’s he is a dipshit when he opens his mouth which has been a story with many pages with this team. Hopefully they back up all the drama with dominating performances in the next 3 games.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:15 am 
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Bell said before practice that he would sit out again or retire next year if they tag me :roll:

He better take care of fucking business

http://www.wjbdradio.com/national-sport ... -him-again

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One of the National Football League's biggest stars says he would consider sitting out a full season, or even retiring, if his team tries to use the league's franchise tag on him for the second straight year.

Pittsburgh Steelers running back Le'Veon Bell made the comments to ESPN, saying that he is optimistic that he won't be forced to make such a decision. "But I would definitely consider it," he said, before Thursday's practice.

Bell played under the franchise tag this season, earning $12.1 million. That number is expected to increase to about $14.5 million next year.

The Steelers can tag a player between February 20 and March 6, with the two sides having until July 16 to agree to a long-term contract.

Bell says he just wants the team to "value me." That after turning down a long-term deal worth up to $30 million for the first two years last offseason.

"Just get the numbers straight exactly where we want them. I'm not going to settle for anything," Bell said. "I know what I do and what I bring to the table. I'm not going out here getting the ball 400 times if I'm not getting what I feel I'm valued at."

Bell caught 85 passes for 655 yards and rushed 321 times for 1,291 yards and scored 11 total touchdowns this season. If he did decide to sit out, Bell acknowledged that his career would likely be over.

"I'm happy where I'm at," he said. "Football is kind of like my job, it's not something that makes me unhappy, but I don't need it to be happy. I've made the money that I feel I needed to make, my family would be good. I don't necessarily care if I get more money or not."


Hey Ding Bat.
You are one of 53 that needs to stay focused and play as a team on Sunday.
Can think about dollar signs after winning the SB.

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Bell is dumb. Players in general are dumb. If we all just accept that notion, and watch the game for what it is, we would all be less agitated in general.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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22 minutes later.......Tap, tap on shoulder....or text message to Bell

"Hey Ding Bat.
You are one of 53 that needs to stay focused and play as a team on Sunday.
Can think about dollar signs after winning the SB"

Oh right....OK


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I’m trying to win a super bowl...I can care less about what happens after this season...my biggest thing I’m focused on is this team I’m on right now, playing for/with my brothers, & bringing back a 7th ring! what happens next year is irrelevant to my goals

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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If Ben is back, which I think he will be.
You certainly bring Bell back.
If a deal can not be worked out.,
You franchise him.
And go win a second straight SB.

He holds out.
Can not see him leaving $14.5 on the table.
That's $14.5 he is never going to make back, even if someone signs him to a ridiculous contract as an UFA in 2019.

We get a fresh Lev Bell right about the time the PS start playing good football.
Fresh for the second half of season and another run at the SB

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Stosh-67 wrote:
22 minutes later.......Tap, tap on shoulder....or text message to Bell

"Hey Ding Bat.
You are one of 53 that needs to stay focused and play as a team on Sunday.
Can think about dollar signs after winning the SB"

Oh right....OK


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Le'Veon Bell
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12h12 hours ago

I’m trying to win a super bowl...I can care less about what happens after this season...my biggest thing I’m focused on is this team I’m on right now, playing for/with my brothers, & bringing back a 7th ring! what happens next year is irrelevant to my goals


These guys just have no filter. I do not think Bell's comments mean that he is not absolutely hyper-focused on helping the team reach and win a SB.

But let's face it. The NFL requires players to be available for media. Unfortunately, Bell is unable to keep his trap shut when asked a question about next year. But I doubt this becomes a locker room distraction.

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Sign and trade him for stud LBer

Draft his replacement

Fuck him

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Sign and trade him for stud LBer

Draft his replacement

Fuck him


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Stosh-67 wrote:
If Ben is back, which I think he will be.
You certainly bring Bell back.
If a deal can not be worked out.,
You franchise him.
And go win a second straight SB.

He holds out.
Can not see him leaving $14.5 on the table.
That's $14.5 he is never going to make back, even if someone signs him to a ridiculous contract as an UFA in 2019.

We get a fresh Lev Bell right about the time the PS start playing good football.
Fresh for the second half of season and another run at the SB

I can live with this! Hate to let the guy walk after next year but it’s looking more and more like we aren’t going to be able to sign him - I can’t see Art2 franchising him then trading.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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fortythree wrote:
Hilarious overreaction in this thread.

Yes - just side splitting :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Kodiak wrote:
Also, if Bell is tagged this year (for the 2nd time) it's 20% more, for a total of @ $14.5M

Non-QB's cannot be tagged for a 3rd year. He's guaranteed to be a UFA after next year if he doesn't sign an extension.


Kodiak where is your source on this statement? I have read nothing to this effect. There is actually arguments about using it a fourth time on Cousins. I have seen no language about the tag having a position segmentation. The tag is tag and the QB comes into play in the language often only because they on the whole have the biggest contract.

Per Reddit source :) :

First year franchise tag:

120% of the previous year's salary, or average of the top 5 salaries of everyone else playing that position, whichever is higher. The "average" is actually a percentage of the cap. It's calculated as follows: Take the franchise tag amounts for the position for each of the previous 5 years, add them all up. Divide them by the sum of the salary cap totals for each of the previous 5 years. Multiply that by the salary cap for this year. So if the five previous franchise amounts were $10M, $11M, $12M, $13M, $14M and the salary caps were $100M, $105M, $110M, $120M, $130M, and this year's salary cap is $140M, it'd be (10+11+12+13+14)/(100+105+110+120+130) = 10.69% of $140M, or $14.86M.
Second year of the franchise tag:

Same thing. Unless the math gets really weird, the 120% increase is likely to be the higher amount.
Third year of the franchise tag:

An average of the top 5 salaries at the highest paid position (likely QB). So if a WR's tag amount is $12M, but a QB's tag amount is $20M, a WR tagged a 3rd time will get the $20M. OR 120% of the average of the 5 largest prior year salaries at his position (so 120% of the 5 biggest WR contracts from the year before, in this case). OR 144% of the player's previous year's salary. Whichever is highest.
There's nothing in the CBA saying they can't be tagged a 4th time. I would assume a 4th year would have the same rules as a 3rd, which means the cost at that point would be pretty outrageous.

Also, of minor note: The player can choose to take the 120/144% increase over the average of the salaries if he wants, even if the 120/144% increase is the lower amount. Why he would take less money I don't know, but it's an option for him. The team is required to offer the higher of the two, but the player can opt to take the lower amount.



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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:56 am 
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They'll work it out, this is a non-issue.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Only because it is a great portion/clause of the CBA that put players and owners over the barrel. If we had the baseball free agency model, Bell would be in the Big Apple.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Kodiak where is your source on this statement?


LMAO
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... chise-tag/

That's the first article in the google search. The next one:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... tag-limit/


LOL, I guess there's no limit to the number of tags. But the Steelers will never tag Bell a 3rd time for $20M.

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Not an easy topic to Google and get a difinitive answer. That means the lawyers have done there job with CBA for both sides I guess.

As you said, no chance in hell they will tag him a 3rd time, and no chance in hell he sits!

Both sides have leverage and it should be a perfect year for a long term deal.

Why do you need an agent if you are Bell in 2018? I’d fire my agent today, take the tag, get a 20% raise plus an additional agent free bonus of 6-10% I would guess, and then rehire an agent in 2019 when the real work will be done. Either do the LT contract or fire your agent.


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