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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:13 pm 
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VeritasSteel wrote:
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“Asked about leaving a productive career on the table, Bell cited his favorite player growing up, Barry Sanders, who retired with good years left in his legs.

Sanders played 10 years. Bell has played five. The years are irrelevant, Bell said.

"It's about leaving a legacy. People will always remember what you did," Bell said. "That's why I run the way I run. I feel like I wanted to run differently than everybody else did. And I want to do things that everybody else hasn't done. That's how I've envisioned everything going forward."


If Bell retired after this season he’d be an afterthought in three years.... He’s really ALREADY thinking he’s earned Sanders ‘legacy’.

Laughable.


First of all, he never said anything about currently achieving any sort of legacy compared to Sanders. He used him as the model for his career. And let's be real Bell has done things at the RB position that have created a statistical legacy that has not been done before by anyone- including Sanders. The only thing he hasn't done is perform well in the playoff well enough for the Steelers to win the SB. Bell is a rare star and if he proves his worth in getting us a trophy- he will be paid handsomely and some of you guys will have to get over that.


Get over that..?

Man are you completely missing the mark when considering how vested I am in regard to Bell. If he got the largest contract in NFL history I’d think ‘good for him’ but at the same time if he died in a car accident I’d think, ‘gosh..so sad’ and ten minutes after either thought wouldn’t waste time thinking about it again.

Are we up to ‘second of all’ ? Legacy? ....this tool has left breadcrumbs toward a legacy and you’d be foolish to argue, despite stats, that he wouldn’t be an afterthought in three years if he quit (although banned is more likely) today.

Despite his obvious talent and currently being a Steelers player Bell (off the field) makes it difficult to root for him. I’d give two-shits if he retired....and after an offseason everybody would be thinking the same as me.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:21 pm 
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VeritasSteel wrote:
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Left out of the OP’s post..

“Asked about leaving a productive career on the table, Bell cited his favorite player growing up, Barry Sanders, who retired with good years left in his legs.

Sanders played 10 years. Bell has played five. The years are irrelevant, Bell said.

"It's about leaving a legacy. People will always remember what you did," Bell said. "That's why I run the way I run. I feel like I wanted to run differently than everybody else did. And I want to do things that everybody else hasn't done. That's how I've envisioned everything going forward."


If Bell retired after this season he’d be an afterthought in three years.... He’s really ALREADY thinking he’s earned Sanders ‘legacy’.

Laughable.


First of all, he never said anything about currently achieving any sort of legacy compared to Sanders. He used him as the model for his career. And let's be real Bell has done things at the RB position that have created a statistical legacy that has not been done before by anyone- including Sanders. The only thing he hasn't done is perform well in the playoff well enough for the Steelers to win the SB. Bell is a rare star and if he proves his worth in getting us a trophy- he will be paid handsomely and some of you guys will have to get over that.

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I think the current rookie class' success this year proves that productive rbs can be found in the draft for a lot less than 14+ mill per year. Like drugs, just say NO! Let him retire!


Stop it with the trash heap RB stuff- Ben is only Ben because he doesn't have 6 dudes in his face every third and 6+ and that's because of the threat of Bell. If Ben retires next year- a trained howler monkey could get this team to the playoffs giving the ball to Bell and throwing into single coverage to Brown. No one in the league is on Bell's planet- no rookie, no one- not even Elliot.


Tell me - if Saquan Barkley of Penn state was available when we pick in the draft, you wouldn't let Bell walk and pick him? I'll just call bullshit right now! Either that or you'd be fucking insane. Barkley on a 4 or 5 year contract would cost you half of what Bell wants for 2 or perhaps 3 years. I don't think rb production would fall off with Ben handing the ball off to Barkley. In fact, I bet it would be improved! I know there is no way we will find out, but I don't think it takes much imagination. Barkley has as much power as Bell, if not more, can catch the ball equally well, and has a gear that Bell can only dream of. Bell is a great rb, don't get me wrong, but 15-18+ mill per year would be insane to pay for the rb position


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:44 pm 
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Last offseason I posted a topic where I broke down DeAngelo Williams production as a starter in this offense and compared it to what Bell had did as a starter. The results of all of my research? The offense was more productive with Williams surprisingly. They scored more points. So, why was that exactly?

Well, I love me a multidimensional RB who can run, block and catch. Somebody you don't have to take out for a specialist or a platoon of RBs. Love watching Bell play, love watching him catch the ball, but EVERYTHING IN MODERATION!!!

I am fine with a RB catching 60 balls a year, but when you are catching 85 in a year, when you are being targeted so much, that you have more targets than ALL of the TEs combined, when you are targeted more than somebody like Smith-Schuster, well, that starts to become a problem.

If I am a defense I want the Steelers to spend precious targets throwing to Bell, why not give up short underneath passes at 7.7 yards a clip this past season? And Bell only had 2 TD receiving for the year.

The more time this offense squanders opportunities forcing it to Bell, means JuJu gets less chances, means Vance McDonald gets less chances, means Bryant gets less chances.

When I saw the offense with Williams as the RB, Ben/Haley were more willing to involve everybody on offense, to take advantage of all of the weapons. With Bell, it is like they get enamored with his talent and then develop this myopic tunnel vision that actually limits the offense.

Also, this past year showed that it is easier than ever to find a RB who can run and catch. You can find a RB with Bell's versatility in rounds 2 and 3 each and every year. He is that replaceable.

The Saints Kamara as a rookie, rushed for over 700 yards, a 6.1 yard average, 8 TDs and oh, had 81 catches for 826 yards and 5 TDs, that is 10.1 yards a catch. He was a 3rd round pick.

Everybody knows about Kareem Hunt for KC, he was a 3rd rounder too.

Minnesota's Dalvin Cook was a 2nd rounder and before he got hurt he looked to have great potential to be part of this renaissance of great runner/catcher that are in the NFL now. Bell is not unique, there was a dry spell, everything follows a cycle, now that type of RB is back and plentiful.

It would be stupid to pay Bell what he wants when, yeah, that type of RB really does grow on trees apparently, and teams are plucking from that tree every year now.

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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I don’t know about top three or not. All I know is that if it is 3rd down and less than five in an important moment, there are few guys I want getting the ball over Bell.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Don’t know if true, but would guess his rate stats are hurt a bit by the slow start.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:54 pm 
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So basically he says he's optimistic he won't have to make a decision to sit out, but that he doesn't need the sport since he's made money already so he's only going to play if he gets what he thinks he's worth.

I really don't see anything inflammatory about this. In fact, good for him.

In other discussion players say and fans repeat "it's a violent sport, they know the risks". Now people want to bash Bell for suggesting basically that, he knows the risks, and is only going to play for whatever value he thinks the risks, of say 400 touches, are.

I could act macho and judge him for not playing "for the love of the game". But it's easier to say that when it isn't my brain and body on the line.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:56 pm 
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Logic says neither of those things will happen.

Non-story.

Logic plays no part in the NFL. Between agents and their clients logic is lost in translation. I hope Tombert and Bell work it out. It is SBI.

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:17 pm 
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VeritasSteel wrote:
Orlaco wrote:
Left out of the OP’s post..

“Asked about leaving a productive career on the table, Bell cited his favorite player growing up, Barry Sanders, who retired with good years left in his legs.

Sanders played 10 years. Bell has played five. The years are irrelevant, Bell said.

"It's about leaving a legacy. People will always remember what you did," Bell said. "That's why I run the way I run. I feel like I wanted to run differently than everybody else did. And I want to do things that everybody else hasn't done. That's how I've envisioned everything going forward."


If Bell retired after this season he’d be an afterthought in three years.... He’s really ALREADY thinking he’s earned Sanders ‘legacy’.

Laughable.




First of all, he never said anything about currently achieving any sort of legacy compared to Sanders. He used him as the model for his career. And let's be real Bell has done things at the RB position that have created a statistical legacy that has not been done before by anyone- including Sanders. The only thing he hasn't done is perform well in the playoff well enough for the Steelers to win the SB. Bell is a rare star and if he proves his worth in getting us a trophy- he will be paid handsomely and some of you guys will have to get over tha

alancac98 wrote:
I think the current rookie class' success this year proves that productive rbs can be found in the draft for a lot less than 14+ mill per year. Like drugs, just say NO! Let him retire!


Stop it with the trash heap RB stuff- Ben is only Ben because he doesn't have 6 dudes in his face every third and 6+ and that's because of the threat of Bell. If Ben retires next year- a trained howler monkey could get this team to the playoffs giving the ball to Bell and throwing into single coverage to Brown. No one in the league is on Bell's planet- no rookie, no one- not even Elliot.


You’re out of your mind. Take off the blinders.

Bell’s planet? Yet he has no breakaway speed at all.

This is the first time he hasn’t been injured at this point in the season right?


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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If he is tagged he is guaranteed to play! Why? Because if he is tagged for the 3rd year he gets QB pay. He and PS are over a barrel. No way he skips a year and collects nothing, versus collecting franchise tag plus 20%, with the guarantee of hitting free agency or collecting QB money the following season.

He and his agent are not that smart I suspect. Am I missing something?


No way he sits out...please read above. Any flaws in this line of thought?


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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He did pretty well in the playoffs last year until the injury. Like, franchise history well. So, we have a couple of injuries that turn out not to be, a few random distractions, bulletin board material for two teams. You're supposed to approach playoff games with the same routine as the regular season, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Last offseason I posted a topic where I broke down DeAngelo Williams production as a starter in this offense and compared it to what Bell had did as a starter. The results of all of my research? The offense was more productive with Williams surprisingly. They scored more points. So, why was that exactly?

Well, I love me a multidimensional RB who can run, block and catch. Somebody you don't have to take out for a specialist or a platoon of RBs. Love watching Bell play, love watching him catch the ball, but EVERYTHING IN MODERATION!!!

I am fine with a RB catching 60 balls a year, but when you are catching 85 in a year, when you are being targeted so much, that you have more targets than ALL of the TEs combined, when you are targeted more than somebody like Smith-Schuster, well, that starts to become a problem.

If I am a defense I want the Steelers to spend precious targets throwing to Bell, why not give up short underneath passes at 7.7 yards a clip this past season? And Bell only had 2 TD receiving for the year.

The more time this offense squanders opportunities forcing it to Bell, means JuJu gets less chances, means Vance McDonald gets less chances, means Bryant gets less chances.

When I saw the offense with Williams as the RB, Ben/Haley were more willing to involve everybody on offense, to take advantage of all of the weapons. With Bell, it is like they get enamored with his talent and then develop this myopic tunnel vision that actually limits the offense.

Also, this past year showed that it is easier than ever to find a RB who can run and catch. You can find a RB with Bell's versatility in rounds 2 and 3 each and every year. He is that replaceable.

The Saints Kamara as a rookie, rushed for over 700 yards, a 6.1 yard average, 8 TDs and oh, had 81 catches for 826 yards and 5 TDs, that is 10.1 yards a catch. He was a 3rd round pick.

Everybody knows about Kareem Hunt for KC, he was a 3rd rounder too.

Minnesota's Dalvin Cook was a 2nd rounder and before he got hurt he looked to have great potential to be part of this renaissance of great runner/catcher that are in the NFL now. Bell is not unique, there was a dry spell, everything follows a cycle, now that type of RB is back and plentiful.

It would be stupid to pay Bell what he wants when, yeah, that type of RB really does grow on trees apparently, and teams are plucking from that tree every year now.


I don't know. It is an interesting point. It does seem to me that as the offense shifted more from Bell rushing to Bell receiving this year that the success of the offense has increased. We will see what happens.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Also, if Bell is tagged this year (for the 2nd time) it's 20% more, for a total of @ $14.5M

Non-QB's cannot be tagged for a 3rd year. He's guaranteed to be a UFA after next year if he doesn't sign an extension.

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Hilarious overreaction in this thread.

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It's just Leveon being Leveon. Dude's kind of a knucklehead, but I love the guy....love that he's on our team.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Last offseason I posted a topic where I broke down DeAngelo Williams production as a starter in this offense and compared it to what Bell had did as a starter. The results of all of my research? The offense was more productive with Williams surprisingly. They scored more points. So, why was that exactly?

Well, I love me a multidimensional RB who can run, block and catch. Somebody you don't have to take out for a specialist or a platoon of RBs. Love watching Bell play, love watching him catch the ball, but EVERYTHING IN MODERATION!!!

I am fine with a RB catching 60 balls a year, but when you are catching 85 in a year, when you are being targeted so much, that you have more targets than ALL of the TEs combined, when you are targeted more than somebody like Smith-Schuster, well, that starts to become a problem.

If I am a defense I want the Steelers to spend precious targets throwing to Bell, why not give up short underneath passes at 7.7 yards a clip this past season? And Bell only had 2 TD receiving for the year.

The more time this offense squanders opportunities forcing it to Bell, means JuJu gets less chances, means Vance McDonald gets less chances, means Bryant gets less chances.

When I saw the offense with Williams as the RB, Ben/Haley were more willing to involve everybody on offense, to take advantage of all of the weapons. With Bell, it is like they get enamored with his talent and then develop this myopic tunnel vision that actually limits the offense.

Also, this past year showed that it is easier than ever to find a RB who can run and catch. You can find a RB with Bell's versatility in rounds 2 and 3 each and every year. He is that replaceable.

The Saints Kamara as a rookie, rushed for over 700 yards, a 6.1 yard average, 8 TDs and oh, had 81 catches for 826 yards and 5 TDs, that is 10.1 yards a catch. He was a 3rd round pick.

Everybody knows about Kareem Hunt for KC, he was a 3rd rounder too.

Minnesota's Dalvin Cook was a 2nd rounder and before he got hurt he looked to have great potential to be part of this renaissance of great runner/catcher that are in the NFL now. Bell is not unique, there was a dry spell, everything follows a cycle, now that type of RB is back and plentiful.

It would be stupid to pay Bell what he wants when, yeah, that type of RB really does grow on trees apparently, and teams are plucking from that tree every year now.


I’m not paying Bell what he wants, but your logic is flawed otherwise about RB targets.

A RB that can catch the ball and pick up 7.7 yards on average is helping the offense stay ahead of the chains.

Multiple targets for multiple targets’ sake is silly.

Last year was last year. I don’t see the offense becoming limited and enameled of Bell this season.

In fact, as someone else pointed out, when Bell started being more receiver than RB this year, the offense has done better.

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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I’m trying to win a super bowl...I can care less about what happens after this season...my biggest thing I’m focused on is this team I’m on right now, playing for/with my brothers, & bringing back a 7th ring! what happens next year is irrelevant to my goals

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Bell is dumb. Players in general are dumb. If we all just accept that notion, and watch the game for what it is, we would all be less agitated in general.

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Unless you have a trade already worked out with Bell on the FT, you have to let him walk.
14.5mil is just too much for this team to endure IMO.


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Good Lord - the right answer of course is

"We're trying to win a Super Bowl and I have an important playoff game to focus on. There will be plenty of time to deal with my contract once the season is over."

Then he can bitch and moan all he wants about how $14M isn't enough.

Seriously, how much of this year's drama is self inflicted? :roll:

Thanks- this is the story....that’s he is a dipshit when he opens his mouth which has been a story with many pages with this team. Hopefully they back up all the drama with dominating performances in the next 3 games.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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Bell said before practice that he would sit out again or retire next year if they tag me :roll:

He better take care of fucking business

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One of the National Football League's biggest stars says he would consider sitting out a full season, or even retiring, if his team tries to use the league's franchise tag on him for the second straight year.

Pittsburgh Steelers running back Le'Veon Bell made the comments to ESPN, saying that he is optimistic that he won't be forced to make such a decision. "But I would definitely consider it," he said, before Thursday's practice.

Bell played under the franchise tag this season, earning $12.1 million. That number is expected to increase to about $14.5 million next year.

The Steelers can tag a player between February 20 and March 6, with the two sides having until July 16 to agree to a long-term contract.

Bell says he just wants the team to "value me." That after turning down a long-term deal worth up to $30 million for the first two years last offseason.

"Just get the numbers straight exactly where we want them. I'm not going to settle for anything," Bell said. "I know what I do and what I bring to the table. I'm not going out here getting the ball 400 times if I'm not getting what I feel I'm valued at."

Bell caught 85 passes for 655 yards and rushed 321 times for 1,291 yards and scored 11 total touchdowns this season. If he did decide to sit out, Bell acknowledged that his career would likely be over.

"I'm happy where I'm at," he said. "Football is kind of like my job, it's not something that makes me unhappy, but I don't need it to be happy. I've made the money that I feel I needed to make, my family would be good. I don't necessarily care if I get more money or not."


Hey Ding Bat.
You are one of 53 that needs to stay focused and play as a team on Sunday.
Can think about dollar signs after winning the SB.

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Bell is dumb. Players in general are dumb. If we all just accept that notion, and watch the game for what it is, we would all be less agitated in general.


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22 minutes later.......Tap, tap on shoulder....or text message to Bell

"Hey Ding Bat.
You are one of 53 that needs to stay focused and play as a team on Sunday.
Can think about dollar signs after winning the SB"

Oh right....OK


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I’m trying to win a super bowl...I can care less about what happens after this season...my biggest thing I’m focused on is this team I’m on right now, playing for/with my brothers, & bringing back a 7th ring! what happens next year is irrelevant to my goals

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Drama Angle - Bell @ next year
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If Ben is back, which I think he will be.
You certainly bring Bell back.
If a deal can not be worked out.,
You franchise him.
And go win a second straight SB.

He holds out.
Can not see him leaving $14.5 on the table.
That's $14.5 he is never going to make back, even if someone signs him to a ridiculous contract as an UFA in 2019.

We get a fresh Lev Bell right about the time the PS start playing good football.
Fresh for the second half of season and another run at the SB

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