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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.


The second Roethlisberger hangs 'em up, and that time is coming way sooner than we all want to believe, this franchise is fucked.

Getting blown out by New England in the playoffs isn't good enough anymore to anyone with a working brain.

Tomlin slays the dragon, he'll get all the praise he can handle....from everybody.

Until he slays that dragon, he's just a major bullshit artist with elite offensive talent.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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No question tomlins communication skills are a major reason reason he was hired.

Tomlinson is even really good I’d say at drafting as a self proclaimed draft geek.

Where he’s not so strong is in the strategy breakdowns. I remember people talking about John gruden would break down film all fall asleep at his desk, wake up and jump right back into it. Working like 20+ hour days in the season.

That’s not going to be Tomlin. Doesn’t need to necessarily. But I personally would like more confidence at times that tomlin has thought through this stuff on game day. He clearly does not beforehand.


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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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KC wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.


The second Roethlisberger hangs 'em up, and that time is coming way sooner than we all want to believe, this franchise is fucked.

Getting blown out by New England in the playoffs isn't good enough anymore to anyone with a working brain.

Tomlin slays the dragon, he'll get all the praise he can handle....from everybody.

Until he slays that dragon, he's just a major bullshit artist with elite offensive talent.


You may damn well be right.

But.

Tomlin kept the train rolling while Ben was not playing well. So the idea that Tomlin can't win without "Ben-type B or A level play" has already possibly been disproven.

Whether he can maintain such standards for seasons on end, we have to wait and see.

I'm not looking forward to it.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Still Lit wrote:
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Still Lit wrote:
It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.


The second Roethlisberger hangs 'em up, and that time is coming way sooner than we all want to believe, this franchise is fucked.

Getting blown out by New England in the playoffs isn't good enough anymore to anyone with a working brain.

Tomlin slays the dragon, he'll get all the praise he can handle....from everybody.

Until he slays that dragon, he's just a major bullshit artist with elite offensive talent.


You may damn well be right.

But.

Tomlin kept the train rolling while Ben was not playing well. So the idea that Tomlin can't win without "Ben-type B or A level play" has already possibly been disproven.

Whether he can maintain such standards for seasons on end, we have to wait and see.

I'm not looking forward to it.


I'm not that worried about him keeping the train rolling during the regular season. Tomlin has a shit ton to work with talent-wise.

I'll give Tomlin credit for being an amazing motivator. He is EXACTLY LIKE COWHER. Tomlin's teams play very, very hard for him.

So getting by some meh teams in the regular season while Ben is struggling should be expected.

I'm talking once this postseason gets going, it's time for Tomlin to bring a gameplan to the party that will stifle the Pats.

Gotta happen. Don't give a fuck about him motivating anybody. Time to out-strategize Belichick.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Still Lit wrote:
KC wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.


The second Roethlisberger hangs 'em up, and that time is coming way sooner than we all want to believe, this franchise is fucked.

Getting blown out by New England in the playoffs isn't good enough anymore to anyone with a working brain.

Tomlin slays the dragon, he'll get all the praise he can handle....from everybody.

Until he slays that dragon, he's just a major bullshit artist with elite offensive talent.


You may damn well be right.

But.

Tomlin kept the train rolling while Ben was not playing well. So the idea that Tomlin can't win without "Ben-type B or A level play" has already possibly been disproven.

Whether he can maintain such standards for seasons on end, we have to wait and see.

I'm not looking forward to it.


I'm not that worried about him keeping the train rolling during the regular season. Tomlin has a shit ton to work with talent-wise.

I'll give Tomlin credit for being an amazing motivator. He is EXACTLY LIKE COWHER. Tomlin's teams play very, very hard for him.

So getting by some meh teams in the regular season while Ben is struggling should be expected.

I'm talking once this postseason gets going, it's time for Tomlin to bring a gameplan to the party that will stifle the Pats.

Gotta happen. Don't give a fuck about him motivating anybody. Time to out-strategize Belichick.[/quote]



Tough to argue any of that. Well said KC


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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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When Landry Jones or Josh Dobbs replaces Ben after he gets on with his life's work, the struggle will be real to keep that non-losing season streak going. Anyone who doesn't believe that is deluding themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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When Landry Jones or Josh Dobbs replaces Ben after he gets on with his life's work, the struggle will be real to keep that non-losing season streak going. Anyone who doesn't believe that is deluding themselves.


Which is utterly trivial to post on your part because all coaches struggle with shitty QBs and a lot of coaches struggle with very good QBs.

Tomlin sucks compared to Belichick and compared to everyone else is arguable better or equal.

The comments about Tomlin earning his money with a shitty QB are too dumb to take seriously. No coach has much success with shitty QBs. If you want to say Belichick does, I point you to my previous point.

Stafford comes to mind; McCarthy with Rodgers. How many playoff wins with Brees?

We should fire Tomlin and hire Zimmerman. After all, 10-2 with Keenum.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Still Lit wrote:
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When Landry Jones or Josh Dobbs replaces Ben after he gets on with his life's work, the struggle will be real to keep that non-losing season streak going. Anyone who doesn't believe that is deluding themselves.


Which is utterly trivial to post on your part because all coaches struggle with shitty QBs and a lot of coaches struggle with very good QBs.

Tomlin sucks compared to Belichick and compared to everyone else is arguable better or equal.

The comments about Tomlin earning his money with a shitty QB are too dumb to take seriously. No coach has much success with shitty QBs. If you want to say Belichick does, I point you to my previous point.

Stafford comes to mind; McCarthy with Rodgers. How many playoff wins with Brees?

We should fire Tomlin and hire Zimmerman. After all, 10-2 with Keenum.


Also, I don’t think Brady gets the credit he deserves from that duo. Saying Brady is the GOAT may be an understatement.

I’m real interested to see how magical Belichick will be once Brady hangs them up.


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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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KC wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.


The second Roethlisberger hangs 'em up, and that time is coming way sooner than we all want to believe, this franchise is fucked.

Getting blown out by New England in the playoffs isn't good enough anymore to anyone with a working brain.

Tomlin slays the dragon, he'll get all the praise he can handle....from everybody.

Until he slays that dragon, he's just a major bullshit artist with elite offensive talent.

You're being silly. I'm sorry, but there has to be options in between "able to beat Belichick in the playoffs" and "laughingstock." How about "good coach who couldn't beat Belichick?"

And you're contradicting yourself. On the one hand you say we're going to suck when Ben retires. On the other, you say we have enough talent now that we should be able to beat New England in the playoffs. Well which is it? Who do you think, along with Colbert, oversaw the acquiring of this talent you say should be able to beat New England? If the talent is all that, then no, we're not going to be "fucked" when Ben retires.

My official position is, as it has been, that we didn't have the talent on D to compete with the Pats last year. This year, with the additions we've made, we just might. I expect a better pass rush this time around and better coverage in the secondary. Given that difference in talent from last year to this, you're going to see a different defensive coaching philosophy when we face the Pats. I believe we have a real chance against the Pats this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Obviously wrote:
When Landry Jones or Josh Dobbs replaces Ben after he gets on with his life's work, the struggle will be real to keep that non-losing season streak going. Anyone who doesn't believe that is deluding themselves.


I think that nice warm seat in Fox Football TV studios will be looking really good by then


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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Coach Tomlin drafted the best Wr in the NFL and the best RB he rebuilt the OL and has got the defense in the 21st century. And he's never had a losing season . I'll take that along with 2 SB appearances and 1win. If we play NE with a healthy Bell we win that game last year in the playoffs. Just like all coaches he has some warts but his positives far out weigh the negatives.


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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Poltargyst wrote:
KC wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.


The second Roethlisberger hangs 'em up, and that time is coming way sooner than we all want to believe, this franchise is fucked.

Getting blown out by New England in the playoffs isn't good enough anymore to anyone with a working brain.

Tomlin slays the dragon, he'll get all the praise he can handle....from everybody.

Until he slays that dragon, he's just a major bullshit artist with elite offensive talent.

You're being silly. I'm sorry, but there has to be options in between "able to beat Belichick in the playoffs" and "laughingstock." How about "good coach who couldn't beat Belichick?"

And you're contradicting yourself. On the one hand you say we're going to suck when Ben retires. On the other, you say we have enough talent now that we should be able to beat New England in the playoffs. Well which is it? Who do you think, along with Colbert, oversaw the acquiring of this talent you say should be able to beat New England? If the talent is all that, then no, we're not going to be "fucked" when Ben retires.

My official position is, as it has been, that we didn't have the talent on D to compete with the Pats last year. This year, with the additions we've made, we just might. I expect a better pass rush this time around and better coverage in the secondary. Given that difference in talent from last year to this, you're going to see a different defensive coaching philosophy when we face the Pats. I believe we have a real chance against the Pats this year.


More like; "inspirational, rah rah, cheerleading motivator gets destroyed again by brilliant strategist".

That's going to be (and should be) the narrative if the Steelers get creamed again by the Pats.

.....the exact same narrative that defined Cowher, because Cowher and Tomlin are THAT similar.

If Tomlin wants to change the narrative, he'd better do it before Ben hangs 'em up.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Still Lit wrote:
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When Landry Jones or Josh Dobbs replaces Ben after he gets on with his life's work, the struggle will be real to keep that non-losing season streak going. Anyone who doesn't believe that is deluding themselves.


Which is utterly trivial to post on your part because all coaches struggle with shitty QBs and a lot of coaches struggle with very good QBs.

Tomlin sucks compared to Belichick and compared to everyone else is arguable better or equal.

The comments about Tomlin earning his money with a shitty QB are too dumb to take seriously. No coach has much success with shitty QBs. If you want to say Belichick does, I point you to my previous point.

Stafford comes to mind; McCarthy with Rodgers. How many playoff wins with Brees?

We should fire Tomlin and hire Zimmerman. After all, 10-2 with Keenum.


Oh yes, everyone! Let's all keep our posts in line with Lit's criteria now!

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Oh yes, everyone! Let's all keep our posts in line with Lit's criteria now!


You're quite welcome to show why your post was not stupid. Go for it.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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You're quite welcome to show why your post was not stupid. Go for it.


Tomlin will struggle to win when Ben retires. I don't think there's anything stupid about that unless you disagree.

Belichick won with Matt Cassell who is about the same as Landry Jones.

Stick your condescending attitude sideways.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Obviously wrote:
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Obviously wrote:
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You're quite welcome to show why your post was not stupid. Go for it.


Tomlin will struggle to win when Ben retires. I don't think there's anything stupid about that unless you disagree.

Belichick won with Matt Cassell who is about the same as Landry Jones.

Stick your condescending attitude sideways.

Tomlin won with Dennis Fucking Dixon, A sundial, a QB worse than Kent Graham, and Charlie Batch. I'll even give you the Cassell comparison, although I think Cassell is better.

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Tomlin won with Dennis Fucking Dixon, A sundial, a QB worse than Kent Graham, and Charlie Batch. I'll even give you the Cassell comparison, although I think Cassell is better.


I must have missed that full season with Dennis Dixon at the helm. Man my memory must be going south


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Tomlin won with Dennis Fucking Dixon, A sundial, a QB worse than Kent Graham, and Charlie Batch. I'll even give you the Cassell comparison, although I think Cassell is better.


I must have missed that full season with Dennis Dixon at the helm. Man my memory must be going south

I'm saying the totality of who Tomlin had in non-Ben games was the same or worse than BB, and his team won at the same or better rate.

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Obviously wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
Obviously wrote:
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You're quite welcome to show why your post was not stupid. Go for it.


Tomlin will struggle to win when Ben retires. I don't think there's anything stupid about that unless you disagree.

Belichick won with Matt Cassell who is about the same as Landry Jones.

Stick your condescending attitude sideways.


So the coaches who do not struggle when they have shitty QBs? Who are these mythical coaches? Your post is still silly. You didn't fix it. You cited Hoodie and no one else.

MC? Same as LJ? Debatable.

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Belichick went 11-5 with Casell at QB. Usually that's good enough for the playoffs, so I won't hold it against him the Pats didn't make the playoffs that year. But no one is seriously going to tell me that Belichick would have won the Super Bowl that year with Cassell at QB if they'd qualified for the playoffs, are they? Even Beilichick needs a franchise QB for that. Maybe an interesting question is how good BELICHICK will do without Brady. What has Belichick ever won without Brady?

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Obviously wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
Obviously wrote:
Oh yes, everyone! Let's all keep our posts in line with Lit's criteria now!


You're quite welcome to show why your post was not stupid. Go for it.


Tomlin will struggle to win when Ben retires. I don't think there's anything stupid about that unless you disagree.

Belichick won with Matt Cassell who is about the same as Landry Jones.

Stick your condescending attitude sideways.

You're saying that when Ben retires Tomlin won't be able to go 10-6 and make a playoff spot? Yeah, we'll just agree to disagree.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Obviously wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
Obviously wrote:
Oh yes, everyone! Let's all keep our posts in line with Lit's criteria now!


You're quite welcome to show why your post was not stupid. Go for it.


Tomlin will struggle to win when Ben retires. I don't think there's anything stupid about that unless you disagree.

Belichick won with Matt Cassell who is about the same as Landry Jones.

Stick your condescending attitude sideways.


Mike Zimmer is 10-2 with Case Keenum, a 3rd string journeyman?

So does it follow that:

Zimmer > Belicheat (2nd stringer Cassell) > Tomlin (with mystery 1st string QB from the future) ?

We here in the 1st World have too much time on our hands....obviously.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Tomlin won with Dennis Fucking Dixon, A sundial, a QB worse than Kent Graham, and Charlie Batch. I'll even give you the Cassell comparison, although I think Cassell is better.


I must have missed that full season with Dennis Dixon at the helm. Man my memory must be going south

I'm saying the totality of who Tomlin had in non-Ben games was the same or worse than BB, and his team won at the same or better rate.


I remember Tomlin getting beat by Ryan Mallette who is pretty much Dennis Dixon


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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Fact remains, no coaches make runs with shitty QBs and plenty fail even with elite ones. Only exception to not failing with elite QB is Hoodie and half of you moan they cheated to do it.

So this QB argument about Tomlin is utterly silly.

Guy his plenty of worts. But the QB argument is plain fucking lousy.

Line ChicagoSteel and I both noted: Zimmerman must be best coach in the league by far.

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