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 Post subject: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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God damn if he isn't impressive & engaging. I fully believe his well developed line of Bullshit is the exact way he thinks to himself...no offense Swiss. Guy is an open book, which is refreshing, but truthful almost to a fault.

I admire what Belichek has done, but I wouldn't be nearly as rabid of a fan if he coached the Steelers. (I'm outside of Steeler Country). Cowher & Tomlins passion for the game keeps me watching.

Also, this team is pretty good.

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God damn if he isn't impressive & engaging. I fully believe his well developed line of Bullshit is the exact way he thinks to himself...no offense Swiss. Guy is an open book, which is refreshing, but truthful almost to a fault.

I admire what Belichek has done, but I wouldn't be nearly as rabid of a fan if he coached the Steelers. (I'm outside of Steeler Country). Cowher & Tomlins passion for the game keeps me watching.

Also, this team is pretty good.


Outside of NE, every other fanbase would kill to have this guy.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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VanWilder wrote:
God damn if he isn't impressive & engaging. I fully believe his well developed line of Bullshit is the exact way he thinks to himself...no offense Swiss. Guy is an open book, which is refreshing, but truthful almost to a fault.

I admire what Belichek has done, but I wouldn't be nearly as rabid of a fan if he coached the Steelers. (I'm outside of Steeler Country). Cowher & Tomlins passion for the game keeps me watching.

Also, this team is pretty good.


None taken, Van. Again, line of bullshit does NOT equate to being full of shit. Check out the SBI piece for this week. I talk about it in there....again. Tomlin's line of bullshit is a gift.


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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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ChicagoSteel wrote:
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God damn if he isn't impressive & engaging. I fully believe his well developed line of Bullshit is the exact way he thinks to himself...no offense Swiss. Guy is an open book, which is refreshing, but truthful almost to a fault.

I admire what Belichek has done, but I wouldn't be nearly as rabid of a fan if he coached the Steelers. (I'm outside of Steeler Country). Cowher & Tomlins passion for the game keeps me watching.

Also, this team is pretty good.


Outside of NE, every other fanbase would kill to have this guy.


Let's not get carried away.


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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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ChicagoSteel wrote:
VanWilder wrote:
God damn if he isn't impressive & engaging. I fully believe his well developed line of Bullshit is the exact way he thinks to himself...no offense Swiss. Guy is an open book, which is refreshing, but truthful almost to a fault.

I admire what Belichek has done, but I wouldn't be nearly as rabid of a fan if he coached the Steelers. (I'm outside of Steeler Country). Cowher & Tomlins passion for the game keeps me watching.

Also, this team is pretty good.


Outside of NE, every other fanbase would kill to have this guy.


Let's not get carried away.


I think ChiSteel is right -- Tomlin very highly regarded around the league

That guy will MAKE MANY MORE MILLIONS after he retires from coaching and moves to the broadcast booth. There will be FUCKING BIDDING WARS for his services.


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NO DOUBT about that, Steel. I remember Mike Francessa from WFAN saying a number of years ago that Tomlin was the hottest commodity for the broadcast booth at that time.


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Welp, he has a top 5 QB, the best WR in the league, th best RB in the league and much improved defense.

No excuses this year.

Gotta win real,real big.

Getting destroyed by the Pats in the postseason should make Tomlin a laughingstock.

Christ the fucking Texans with no QB were far more competitive against Brady & Belichek than we were.

Slay the dragon. This year.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Welp, he has a top 5 QB, the best WR in the league, th best RB in the league and much improved defense.

No excuses this year.

Gotta win real,real big.

Getting destroyed by the Pats in the postseason should make Tomlin a laughingstock.

Christ the fucking Texans with no QB were far more competitive against Brady & Belichek than we were.

Slay the dragon. This year.


THIS^

And just a reminder that the vast majority of this board who were on the old board, including me, killed Cowher who didn't have a Top 5 QB (likely his own making) and made the playoffs for most of his career. I treat them the same because they are the same.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.

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ChicagoSteel wrote:
VanWilder wrote:
God damn if he isn't impressive & engaging. I fully believe his well developed line of Bullshit is the exact way he thinks to himself...no offense Swiss. Guy is an open book, which is refreshing, but truthful almost to a fault.

I admire what Belichek has done, but I wouldn't be nearly as rabid of a fan if he coached the Steelers. (I'm outside of Steeler Country). Cowher & Tomlins passion for the game keeps me watching.

Also, this team is pretty good.


Outside of NE, every other fanbase would kill to have this guy.


No question about it. He has his warts but you don’t win 60-70% of games by accident. After seeing some of the God awful coaching in the NFL this year I’m happy we have Tomlin.

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It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.

Meaning what?


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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Still Lit wrote:
It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.


The second Roethlisberger hangs 'em up, and that time is coming way sooner than we all want to believe, this franchise is fucked.

Getting blown out by New England in the playoffs isn't good enough anymore to anyone with a working brain.

Tomlin slays the dragon, he'll get all the praise he can handle....from everybody.

Until he slays that dragon, he's just a major bullshit artist with elite offensive talent.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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No question tomlins communication skills are a major reason reason he was hired.

Tomlinson is even really good I’d say at drafting as a self proclaimed draft geek.

Where he’s not so strong is in the strategy breakdowns. I remember people talking about John gruden would break down film all fall asleep at his desk, wake up and jump right back into it. Working like 20+ hour days in the season.

That’s not going to be Tomlin. Doesn’t need to necessarily. But I personally would like more confidence at times that tomlin has thought through this stuff on game day. He clearly does not beforehand.


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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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KC wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.


The second Roethlisberger hangs 'em up, and that time is coming way sooner than we all want to believe, this franchise is fucked.

Getting blown out by New England in the playoffs isn't good enough anymore to anyone with a working brain.

Tomlin slays the dragon, he'll get all the praise he can handle....from everybody.

Until he slays that dragon, he's just a major bullshit artist with elite offensive talent.


You may damn well be right.

But.

Tomlin kept the train rolling while Ben was not playing well. So the idea that Tomlin can't win without "Ben-type B or A level play" has already possibly been disproven.

Whether he can maintain such standards for seasons on end, we have to wait and see.

I'm not looking forward to it.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Still Lit wrote:
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Still Lit wrote:
It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.


The second Roethlisberger hangs 'em up, and that time is coming way sooner than we all want to believe, this franchise is fucked.

Getting blown out by New England in the playoffs isn't good enough anymore to anyone with a working brain.

Tomlin slays the dragon, he'll get all the praise he can handle....from everybody.

Until he slays that dragon, he's just a major bullshit artist with elite offensive talent.


You may damn well be right.

But.

Tomlin kept the train rolling while Ben was not playing well. So the idea that Tomlin can't win without "Ben-type B or A level play" has already possibly been disproven.

Whether he can maintain such standards for seasons on end, we have to wait and see.

I'm not looking forward to it.


I'm not that worried about him keeping the train rolling during the regular season. Tomlin has a shit ton to work with talent-wise.

I'll give Tomlin credit for being an amazing motivator. He is EXACTLY LIKE COWHER. Tomlin's teams play very, very hard for him.

So getting by some meh teams in the regular season while Ben is struggling should be expected.

I'm talking once this postseason gets going, it's time for Tomlin to bring a gameplan to the party that will stifle the Pats.

Gotta happen. Don't give a fuck about him motivating anybody. Time to out-strategize Belichick.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.


The second Roethlisberger hangs 'em up, and that time is coming way sooner than we all want to believe, this franchise is fucked.

Getting blown out by New England in the playoffs isn't good enough anymore to anyone with a working brain.

Tomlin slays the dragon, he'll get all the praise he can handle....from everybody.

Until he slays that dragon, he's just a major bullshit artist with elite offensive talent.


You may damn well be right.

But.

Tomlin kept the train rolling while Ben was not playing well. So the idea that Tomlin can't win without "Ben-type B or A level play" has already possibly been disproven.

Whether he can maintain such standards for seasons on end, we have to wait and see.

I'm not looking forward to it.


I'm not that worried about him keeping the train rolling during the regular season. Tomlin has a shit ton to work with talent-wise.

I'll give Tomlin credit for being an amazing motivator. He is EXACTLY LIKE COWHER. Tomlin's teams play very, very hard for him.

So getting by some meh teams in the regular season while Ben is struggling should be expected.

I'm talking once this postseason gets going, it's time for Tomlin to bring a gameplan to the party that will stifle the Pats.

Gotta happen. Don't give a fuck about him motivating anybody. Time to out-strategize Belichick.[/quote]



Tough to argue any of that. Well said KC


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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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When Landry Jones or Josh Dobbs replaces Ben after he gets on with his life's work, the struggle will be real to keep that non-losing season streak going. Anyone who doesn't believe that is deluding themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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When Landry Jones or Josh Dobbs replaces Ben after he gets on with his life's work, the struggle will be real to keep that non-losing season streak going. Anyone who doesn't believe that is deluding themselves.


Which is utterly trivial to post on your part because all coaches struggle with shitty QBs and a lot of coaches struggle with very good QBs.

Tomlin sucks compared to Belichick and compared to everyone else is arguable better or equal.

The comments about Tomlin earning his money with a shitty QB are too dumb to take seriously. No coach has much success with shitty QBs. If you want to say Belichick does, I point you to my previous point.

Stafford comes to mind; McCarthy with Rodgers. How many playoff wins with Brees?

We should fire Tomlin and hire Zimmerman. After all, 10-2 with Keenum.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Still Lit wrote:
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When Landry Jones or Josh Dobbs replaces Ben after he gets on with his life's work, the struggle will be real to keep that non-losing season streak going. Anyone who doesn't believe that is deluding themselves.


Which is utterly trivial to post on your part because all coaches struggle with shitty QBs and a lot of coaches struggle with very good QBs.

Tomlin sucks compared to Belichick and compared to everyone else is arguable better or equal.

The comments about Tomlin earning his money with a shitty QB are too dumb to take seriously. No coach has much success with shitty QBs. If you want to say Belichick does, I point you to my previous point.

Stafford comes to mind; McCarthy with Rodgers. How many playoff wins with Brees?

We should fire Tomlin and hire Zimmerman. After all, 10-2 with Keenum.


Also, I don’t think Brady gets the credit he deserves from that duo. Saying Brady is the GOAT may be an understatement.

I’m real interested to see how magical Belichick will be once Brady hangs them up.


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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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KC wrote:
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It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.


The second Roethlisberger hangs 'em up, and that time is coming way sooner than we all want to believe, this franchise is fucked.

Getting blown out by New England in the playoffs isn't good enough anymore to anyone with a working brain.

Tomlin slays the dragon, he'll get all the praise he can handle....from everybody.

Until he slays that dragon, he's just a major bullshit artist with elite offensive talent.

You're being silly. I'm sorry, but there has to be options in between "able to beat Belichick in the playoffs" and "laughingstock." How about "good coach who couldn't beat Belichick?"

And you're contradicting yourself. On the one hand you say we're going to suck when Ben retires. On the other, you say we have enough talent now that we should be able to beat New England in the playoffs. Well which is it? Who do you think, along with Colbert, oversaw the acquiring of this talent you say should be able to beat New England? If the talent is all that, then no, we're not going to be "fucked" when Ben retires.

My official position is, as it has been, that we didn't have the talent on D to compete with the Pats last year. This year, with the additions we've made, we just might. I expect a better pass rush this time around and better coverage in the secondary. Given that difference in talent from last year to this, you're going to see a different defensive coaching philosophy when we face the Pats. I believe we have a real chance against the Pats this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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When Landry Jones or Josh Dobbs replaces Ben after he gets on with his life's work, the struggle will be real to keep that non-losing season streak going. Anyone who doesn't believe that is deluding themselves.


I think that nice warm seat in Fox Football TV studios will be looking really good by then


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Coach Tomlin drafted the best Wr in the NFL and the best RB he rebuilt the OL and has got the defense in the 21st century. And he's never had a losing season . I'll take that along with 2 SB appearances and 1win. If we play NE with a healthy Bell we win that game last year in the playoffs. Just like all coaches he has some warts but his positives far out weigh the negatives.


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Poltargyst wrote:
KC wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
It's amazing how many folks would cut off their noses to spite their face.


The second Roethlisberger hangs 'em up, and that time is coming way sooner than we all want to believe, this franchise is fucked.

Getting blown out by New England in the playoffs isn't good enough anymore to anyone with a working brain.

Tomlin slays the dragon, he'll get all the praise he can handle....from everybody.

Until he slays that dragon, he's just a major bullshit artist with elite offensive talent.

You're being silly. I'm sorry, but there has to be options in between "able to beat Belichick in the playoffs" and "laughingstock." How about "good coach who couldn't beat Belichick?"

And you're contradicting yourself. On the one hand you say we're going to suck when Ben retires. On the other, you say we have enough talent now that we should be able to beat New England in the playoffs. Well which is it? Who do you think, along with Colbert, oversaw the acquiring of this talent you say should be able to beat New England? If the talent is all that, then no, we're not going to be "fucked" when Ben retires.

My official position is, as it has been, that we didn't have the talent on D to compete with the Pats last year. This year, with the additions we've made, we just might. I expect a better pass rush this time around and better coverage in the secondary. Given that difference in talent from last year to this, you're going to see a different defensive coaching philosophy when we face the Pats. I believe we have a real chance against the Pats this year.


More like; "inspirational, rah rah, cheerleading motivator gets destroyed again by brilliant strategist".

That's going to be (and should be) the narrative if the Steelers get creamed again by the Pats.

.....the exact same narrative that defined Cowher, because Cowher and Tomlin are THAT similar.

If Tomlin wants to change the narrative, he'd better do it before Ben hangs 'em up.

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Still Lit wrote:
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When Landry Jones or Josh Dobbs replaces Ben after he gets on with his life's work, the struggle will be real to keep that non-losing season streak going. Anyone who doesn't believe that is deluding themselves.


Which is utterly trivial to post on your part because all coaches struggle with shitty QBs and a lot of coaches struggle with very good QBs.

Tomlin sucks compared to Belichick and compared to everyone else is arguable better or equal.

The comments about Tomlin earning his money with a shitty QB are too dumb to take seriously. No coach has much success with shitty QBs. If you want to say Belichick does, I point you to my previous point.

Stafford comes to mind; McCarthy with Rodgers. How many playoff wins with Brees?

We should fire Tomlin and hire Zimmerman. After all, 10-2 with Keenum.


Oh yes, everyone! Let's all keep our posts in line with Lit's criteria now!

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 Post subject: Re: Just watched the full interview of Tomlin
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Oh yes, everyone! Let's all keep our posts in line with Lit's criteria now!


You're quite welcome to show why your post was not stupid. Go for it.

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