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 Post subject: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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everyone is focused on the nastiness of the contest, the big hits, the dirty play, the potentially paralyzing injury ---

but to me, the real story of the game is Cam Sutton

After the coaches replaced Sensabaugh with Sutton, the defense was totally transformed. No more wide open receivers and Dalton struggled.

I hope Sutton will start this week, and we never see sensabaugh again.

What happens when Haden comes back?

Sutton won't move to slot, because Hilton is an emerging star there.

Hate to see sutton wasted on the bench


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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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If I remember correctly, he gave up one sideline pass to AJ Green and that was it.

I remember when he came in the game because I literally said out loud, in the liquor store I manage, "Who the fuck is #34?" Had to go look on the roster real quick was happy to see that it was Sutton.

I thought he played a pretty good game, the moment wasn't too big for him.

Sensabaugh, if it wasn't for injuries, seriously needs to get cut. How much worse can it be than throwing out Sutton and Brian Allen? Time to embrace the young CBs already and give them some reps.

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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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Dalton said the steelers threw some different looks in Q4. Mixed it up differently than the first half.

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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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COR-TEN wrote:
Dalton said the steelers threw some different looks in Q4. Mixed it up differently than the first half.


yea -- the different look was, Sutton covering AJ Green vs. Sensabaugh "covering" Green!!


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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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and the Steelers were playing a lot of dime, with Fort, Watt, & Gay in the middle, instead of Matakevich

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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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and the Steelers were playing a lot of dime, with Fort, Watt, & Gay in the middle, instead of Matakevich


‘“Randall” Gay quietly had a good game last night.

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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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Jeemie wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
and the Steelers were playing a lot of dime, with Fort, Watt, & Gay in the middle, instead of Matakevich


‘“Randall” Gay quietly had a good game last night.


Yeah he did


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Big play Randy Gay!

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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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Jeemie wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
and the Steelers were playing a lot of dime, with Fort, Watt, & Gay in the middle, instead of Matakevich


‘“Randall” Gay quietly had a good game last night.


Yep, Randall Gay, Joe Joe Schuster, and Antonio Bryant all played well. Gruden was drunker than Dan Fouts last night.


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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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If Sutton can play, he needs to be on the field. Gotta see what we have, both for a playoff run and for next year.

And when Haden comes back? What if the future isn't Burns/Haden but Sutton/Haden?

I don't know if I would call Hilton an emerging stud. Like what he's done on blitzes, but if Sutton could play in the slot I'd have a competition.

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Rudy Gay was on top of his game.

Thanks God.

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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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Yeah, Dalton had to be shitting his pants when he looked over to AJ Green and saw #34 right up on the line of scrimmage in man to man coverage. Sensabaugh was 10 yards off Green the whole night and it was just pitch and catch for easy completions and touchdowns.

I really wish Tomlin/Butler would just bite the bullet and play more man to man. With the injuries, and with so many vets that you depend on for communication like Shazier and Mitchell out, trying to do complicated zone coverages with the younger players is just asking for trouble. If you have a Cam Sutton, or Burns, or Allen, or Hilton that have size, speed or a knack for man coverage, then that is probably the safest option to turn to right now. Even the best man to man teams only play it 50% of the time, but we are down near the bottom of the league in terms of playing man.

Keep is simple, here is your man, cover him. Let Sutton, Allen, Burns, Hilton, etc just use their athletic ability and instincts, stop making them think so much in zone, do I carry this guy through or do I pass him off, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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KC wrote:
Rudy Gay was on top of his game.

Thanks God.


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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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If Sutton can play, he needs to be on the field. Gotta see what we have, both for a playoff run and for next year.

And when Haden comes back? What if the future isn't Burns/Haden but Sutton/Haden?

I don't know if I would call Hilton an emerging stud. Like what he's done on blitzes, but if Sutton could play in the slot I'd have a competition.



We can finally go man because of Cam.


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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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steel wrote:
everyone is focused on the nastiness of the contest, the big hits, the dirty play, the potentially paralyzing injury ---

but to me, the real story of the game is Cam Sutton

After the coaches replaced Sensabaugh with Sutton, the defense was totally transformed. No more wide open receivers and Dalton struggled.

I hope Sutton will start this week, and we never see sensabaugh again.

What happens when Haden comes back?

Sutton won't move to slot, because Hilton is an emerging star there.

Hate to see sutton wasted on the bench


Sensabaugh was sooooo bad in the first half


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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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Charles Demarr wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
and the Steelers were playing a lot of dime, with Fort, Watt, & Gay in the middle, instead of Matakevich


‘“Randall” Gay quietly had a good game last night.


Yep, Randall Gay, Joe Joe Schuster, and Antonio Bryant all played well. Gruden was drunker than Dan Fouts last night.


"I know he's been fined over $300,000 by the league, but [insert Gruden's glowing ballwashing of Burfict]..."

That statement alone was priceless. Yeah, aside from trying to hurt people recklessly in college and in the pros, Vontaze is just awesome.

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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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Well, thankfully Bernard held Watt...because this would've been the what? 4th game in a row the D gave up a long embarrassing TD with the DB's out of place and missing tackles along the way?

And Cam Sutton was in on that.

Not taking away what else he might've done well...just tempering expectations a bit.


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Jeemie wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
and the Steelers were playing a lot of dime, with Fort, Watt, & Gay in the middle, instead of Matakevich


‘“Randall” Gay quietly had a good game last night.


Gruden was such a fucking douchebag -- I used to like that guy when he coached and when he first became an announcer -- WTF happened to him? Is he a fucking alcoholic?


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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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Yeah, Dalton had to be shitting his pants when he looked over to AJ Green and saw #34 right up on the line of scrimmage in man to man coverage. Sensabaugh was 10 yards off Green the whole night and it was just pitch and catch for easy completions and touchdowns.

I really wish Tomlin/Butler would just bite the bullet and play more man to man. With the injuries, and with so many vets that you depend on for communication like Shazier and Mitchell out, trying to do complicated zone coverages with the younger players is just asking for trouble. If you have a Cam Sutton, or Burns, or Allen, or Hilton that have size, speed or a knack for man coverage, then that is probably the safest option to turn to right now. Even the best man to man teams only play it 50% of the time, but we are down near the bottom of the league in terms of playing man.

Keep is simple, here is your man, cover him. Let Sutton, Allen, Burns, Hilton, etc just use their athletic ability and instincts, stop making them think so much in zone, do I carry this guy through or do I pass him off, etc.


Not just man, but also start moving to a true 4-3 with pressure from your front 4. I can’t stand the DB blitzing and the cushions- Same shit that Brady loves to see


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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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steel wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
and the Steelers were playing a lot of dime, with Fort, Watt, & Gay in the middle, instead of Matakevich


‘“Randall” Gay quietly had a good game last night.


Gruden was such a fucking douchebag -- I used to like that guy when he coached and when he first became an announcer -- WTF happened to him? Is he a fucking alcoholic?


Sauced...Just like Fouts usually is.


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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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Well, thankfully Bernard held Watt...because this would've been the what? 4th game in a row the D gave up a long embarrassing TD with the DB's out of place and missing tackles along the way?

And Cam Sutton was in on that.

Not taking away what else he might've done well...just tempering expectations a bit.


Exactly


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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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Does Gruden have a reputation as a drinker?

Just wondering at all the alcoholic references.

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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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Jeemie wrote:
Does Gruden have a reputation as a drinker?

Just wondering at all the alcoholic references.

I don’t think he was drunk...he’s just bad at his job and annoying as hell.

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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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Sutton was extremely good, a real "shut-down corner" at TN. Also, an elite kick returner. But there's a caveat; he was rarely healthy, so he missed a lot of time and played a lot of games, particularly his last season ,where he was nowhere near 100%. He was probably the best DB we had since Eric Berry, and the best CB we had since Jason Allen.

You see his best play his sophomore year. Teams just couldn't throw to anyone he was covering.


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 Post subject: Re: We won that game because of Cam Sutton
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The called-back TD to Green looked like Golden's fault to me.

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