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 Post subject: Re: Le’Veon Bell
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:38 pm 
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W&M_Steeler wrote:
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Le'Veon Bell still has his vision. He still has his power. And, that has enabled him to have some big days this year behind some good blocking. But, despite those big days, he's averaging 3.9 per carry. That's right. He's averaging a whole yard less per carry than he did his last 2 years.

It's not even the stats. You can see it with your eyes if you don't lie to yourself. He isn't exploding through the whole the same way he did in the past, and he isn't accelerating in the secondary the way he did in the past. He's essentially more of a bruising running back right now...albeit one with very good hands.

Don't get me wrong, he's still a great back. My point is that he's not worth a long term investment given where his body is right now.


His vision is really what sets him apart, IMO. He's not as powerful as Bettis, not as fast as Parker, and not as all around athletic as Mendhenhall. But he has superb vision, and he has enough of those other skills to make him dangerous (albeit I am worried about the decline in his speed and burst). Plus his hands are very good. At this point he's like a weird combination of Bettis and Marshall Faulk. He's obviously someone the Steelers would want to keep, but how do you price him? I don't think he's a $12 million a year guy, but it will hurt to lose him.

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 Post subject: Re: Le’Veon Bell
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:39 pm 
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Stosh-67 wrote:
W&M_Steeler wrote:
franco32 wrote:
Le'Veon Bell still has his vision. He still has his power. And, that has enabled him to have some big days this year behind some good blocking. But, despite those big days, he's averaging 3.9 per carry. That's right. He's averaging a whole yard less per carry than he did his last 2 years.

It's not even the stats. You can see it with your eyes if you don't lie to yourself. He isn't exploding through the whole the same way he did in the past, and he isn't accelerating in the secondary the way he did in the past. He's essentially more of a bruising running back right now...albeit one with very good hands.

Don't get me wrong, he's still a great back. My point is that he's not worth a long term investment given where his body is right now.


His vision is really what sets him apart, IMO. He's not as powerful as Bettis, not as fast as Parker, and not as all around athletic as Mendhenhall. But he has superb vision, and he has enough of those other skills to make him dangerous (albeit I am worried about the decline in his speed and burst). Plus his hands are very good. At this point he's like a weird combination of Bettis and Marshall Faulk. He's obviously someone the Steelers would want to keep, but how do you price him? I don't think he's a $12 million a year guy, but it will hurt to lose him.

Mods,
Bell, Bettis, Parker, Mendanhall.........
Please escort W&M for a tour of the torture chamber.
Dilly, dilly.


I deserve that.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I think Bell is 100 times the RB Mendenhall ever was, but I think the starkest difference between the two was vision. Bell's vision is otherwordly, Mendenhall's was practically non-existent.


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 Post subject: Re: Le’Veon Bell
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:47 pm 
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I don't think he's a $12 million a year guy, but it will hurt to lose him.


Yeah,
Can't see the Steelers paying him $12 per. Knowing others need to be paid.

But maybe they can work out something creative knowing:
they can push Cam and Tuit money down the road.
and possibly Pouncey and Decastro money down the road.

Thats alot of money they can push to future years, knowing Bens $20+ million may only be on the books 2 or 3 years.

Then again,
AB will need an extension.
Shaz will need an extension - health willing.
Gilbert was looking for an extension.
Hargrave?

So will be tuff to give Bell big money knowing the injuries he has had and the pounding he has taken on top of the effectiveness of backs after they turn 27/28.
Bell will be 26 in February with 1500-1600 touches by that time.

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 Post subject: Re: Le’Veon Bell
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:53 pm 
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I deserve that.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I think Bell is 100 times the RB Mendenhall ever was, but I think the starkest difference between the two was vision. Bell's vision is otherwordly, Mendenhall's was practically non-existent.

Yup

All good W&M.
LOL.
Maybe the biggest difference between the 2 is DESIRE.
I think Lev Bell loves playing the game.
Mendy had other interests that were ahead of football.

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 Post subject: Re: Le’Veon Bell
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:35 pm 
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franco32 wrote:
Le'Veon Bell still has his vision. He still has his power. And, that has enabled him to have some big days this year behind some good blocking. But, despite those big days, he's averaging 3.9 per carry. That's right. He's averaging a whole yard less per carry than he did his last 2 years.

It's not even the stats. You can see it with your eyes if you don't lie to yourself. He isn't exploding through the whole the same way he did in the past, and he isn't accelerating in the secondary the way he did in the past. He's essentially more of a bruising running back right now...albeit one with very good hands.

Don't get me wrong, he's still a great back. My point is that he's not worth a long term investment given where his body is right now.


I don't see what you see. After watching Matt Forte carry the Bears for years, I think Bell's a worth ton...just not all that he is asking.

I'd rather the money go to Bell than to secure a guy like Gilbert. Better to have 4 good lineman and a superstar RB than 5 good linemen and James Conner.

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 Post subject: Re: Le’Veon Bell
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:51 pm 
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ChicagoSteel wrote:
franco32 wrote:
Le'Veon Bell still has his vision. He still has his power. And, that has enabled him to have some big days this year behind some good blocking. But, despite those big days, he's averaging 3.9 per carry. That's right. He's averaging a whole yard less per carry than he did his last 2 years.

It's not even the stats. You can see it with your eyes if you don't lie to yourself. He isn't exploding through the whole the same way he did in the past, and he isn't accelerating in the secondary the way he did in the past. He's essentially more of a bruising running back right now...albeit one with very good hands.

Don't get me wrong, he's still a great back. My point is that he's not worth a long term investment given where his body is right now.


I don't see what you see. After watching Matt Forte carry the Bears for years, I think Bell's a worth ton...just not all that he is asking.

I'd rather the money go to Bell than to secure a guy like Gilbert. Better to have 4 good lineman and a superstar RB than 5 good linemen and James Conner.
Conner has had zero opportunities to prove himself. I don't know how you can decide he's a JAG with seeing him get what, 5 touches? I definitely see a drop off in Bell's explosiveness. He never really had take it to the house speed, but now his assets are vision, power, and hands. And that vision comes with 30 carries a game. Somebody else needs to sacrifice their touches for him to get his groove.


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