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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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And give some props to the defense whom we maligned in the first half.

They brought it in the second half. Three points early in the third, and then a big fucking donut.


Thanks to:

Cam Sutton in place of Coty (fuckface) Sensabaugh

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Fort in place of Dirtball Red

those substitutions made all the difference in the world


Sensabaugh was getting whipped like a rented mule by Dalton and AJ green. I didn't notice the substitution but I appreciate the adjustment.

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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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The challenge was stupid. Really foolish waste of a timeout.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: seriously though, it was dumb.

Wasn't a good challenge, although maybe he just wanted to take a TO and thought he'd get his money's worth.


I thought the challenge was stupid, until I saw the replay. He took nearly four steps...I was glad he challenged and they botched the call.

And then the unprofessional ESPN crew had their unprofessional washed up ref not even look at the play while judging on it vehemently. That was a blown call.


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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:47 am 
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Will-the-Shake wrote:
Let’s give a shout out to Coach Tomlin. Pulling his team together under very difficult circumstances. Deserves a lot of credit. As far as the comeback is concerned, don’t forget those 3 points before the half. On their own 23 or so yard line with less than 30 seconds left in the half, could have easily tucked it away and started over in the 3rd quarter. Somehow found a way to come away with a field goal. Team’s thoughts now with Shazier.


I don’t think MT needs a shout out. If you think he did anything special at half time you are fooling yourself.

MT is a superb coach, and his drum beat cadence of one liners, next man up and don’t blink and the standard is the standard are more than one liners. He preaches it, and lives by it in his messaging and vocabulary. He is quite business oriented, process oriented, but tempers it with humanity. You don’t whip something up at halftime, your preparation, process and execution just carry the day.

He talks the talk and walks the walk in so many areas. Treats all situations like a business, transparently too, with his group of men and treats them all respectfully.

They are all professionals because of MT and don’t need a shout out....he has been doing this even keel stuff for a long portion of his tenure. This is the big difference between him and Cowher, when he coached.


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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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Steelers are 4-0 in games decided by 3 points or less this year, another sign of a very well coached football team.


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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEA
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The challenge was stupid. Really foolish waste of a timeout.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: seriously though, it was dumb.

Wasn't a good challenge, although maybe he just wanted to take a TO and thought he'd get his money's worth.


I thought the challenge was stupid, until I saw the replay. He took nearly four steps...I was glad he challenged and they botched the call.

And then the unprofessional ESPN crew had their unprofessional washed up ref not even look at the play while judging on it vehemently. That was a blown call.


I don’t know...to me it looked like he was bobbling the ball the entire time...never had complete control.

Didn’t love the challenge because I thought he’d just lose the timeout and we might need it. But in a game you’re trailing, I can see the push to question a play that might result in a turnover for you.

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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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Swiss last week you told all of us Tomlin values timeouts over time on clock, yet tonight with 2:50 or so left and bengals about to punt, he called timeout to preserve the 40 seconds on the clock and only leaving them with 1 timeout. You based your assertion because he said so in a presser.


I'm not quite getting your point, South. I thought calling the timeout with 2:47 left was wise...said so in the game thread. It enabled the offense to remain balanced for a while (...1st down & 2nd down runs after gaining possession).

Here might be the difference in Tomlin's decision-making....
*My issue last week was yes, his comments in the presser on why he did not call timeout after 1st down. It had nothing to do with GB potentially picking up the 1st down (from 2nd & 16), but focused solely on wanting to have a timeout once Steelers were on offense. At that point, Tomlin thought he would need to call timeout after both 2nd & 3rd downs, but GB ran out of bounds on 2nd down, preserving a timeout.

*Tonight, Tomlin was able to preserve some clock with which to work AND retain a timeout, which he used at game's end.

I still think the challenge was a waste. Yes, you challenge based on the potential reward, but I didn't think there was any way that had a chance of being overturned.

We can also revisit Tomlin NOT calling timeout during the Bengals possession before half, so he would have had more than 17 seconds remaining.....but I'm not dissecting that right now.

In sum though, this game was indeed a tribute to Tomlin's coaching...he was at his best.


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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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On a side note, hope I never have to hear Gruden and Sean McDontKnow ever call another Steeler game ever again. Quite possibly the worst commentary I have ever heard.


Quite possibly the worst announcing job I can remember.

It's like they took 2 drunk dudes out of the stands and said here's some mic's.

No signs of any preparation....just reactions.

I'm going to keep writing this team off every week....man they're a surprising bunch.

Game was very reminiscent of that playoff game. Weather. Late win. Injuries. Ugliness. No more Bengals games this year, that's another positive.

They are sour because they’ll not be doing any more games next year

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/espn ... -football/

Never heard more blatant biased speaking from a crew. They know the nfl isn’t too keen on espn anymore and they called out the nfl and officials all night An amazing display. Sounded like jemele hill scripted that show

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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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I’m guessing Tomlin valued the extra 40 seconds over an extra timeout at the end of the game, guess he was just full of shit in his presser last week.


Tomlin repeated himself in a pregame interview that he values timeouts over time saved. He wants timeouts for his offense and will burn clock as needed to preserve them.

That said...the situation last night was utterly different than the situations we were talking about before. By calling that timeout on defense, Tomlin was giving himself flexibility to run clock as he wished while STILL having a timeout in his pocket. There was way more time left on the clock than there was in the previous situations we discussed.

You know who really fucked up time management last night?

Marvin Lewis.

Once the Steelers got the ball at their own 40, the odds they were going to drive into position for at least a FG attempt were quite high. Marvin should have been in time preservation mode...and yet he let clock run twice when he could have used timeouts to stop it.

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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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Think Cincy had about 20 yds in the 4th.


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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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I don't mind the challenge. If there is even a decent chance of getting a turnover, I think a TO is worth it. I still have a huge problem with timeout after the sack.

1st goal is to not leave them any time... our drive was going to end with 0:00 on the clock, no matter what. The TO was only for getting the FG unit on the field. Calling TO after the snap allowed the O to operate in near normal conditions, with every thing in play, and more or less forced the Bengals to use their TOs, regardless of whether we were hurrying or not.

The difference is: we were able to manipulate the clock and playcall according to our plans, instead of scrambling at the end of the game and risking a mistake.

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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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I’m guessing Tomlin valued the extra 40 seconds over an extra timeout at the end of the game, guess he was just full of shit in his presser last week.


Tomlin repeated himself in a pregame interview that he values timeouts over time saved. He wants timeouts for his offense and will burn clock as needed to preserve them.

That said...the situation last night was utterly different than the situations we were talking about before. By calling that timeout on defense, Tomlin was giving himself flexibility to run clock as he wished while STILL having a timeout in his pocket. There was way more time left on the clock than there was in the previous situations we discussed.

You know who really fucked up time management last night?

Marvin Lewis.

Once the Steelers got the ball at their own 40, the odds they were going to drive into position for at least a FG attempt were quite high. Marvin should have been in time preservation mode...and yet he let clock run twice when he could have used timeouts to stop it.

Thank you for saying it better than I did.

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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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I don't mind the challenge. If there is even a decent chance of getting a turnover, I think a TO is worth it. I still have a huge problem with timeout after the sack.

1st goal is to not leave them any time... our drive was going to end with 0:00 on the clock, no matter what. The TO was only for getting the FG unit on the field. Calling TO after the snap allowed the O to operate in near normal conditions, with every thing in play, and more or less forced the Bengals to use their TOs, regardless of whether we were hurrying or not.

The difference is: we were able to manipulate the clock and playcall according to our plans, instead of scrambling at the end of the game and risking a mistake.


Actually, I don't think you can definitively say our drive was going to end with 0:00 on the clock. Marvin Lewis twice allowed the clock to run instead of calling timeout- that helped matters.

Yes- we could have bled clock ourselves once Cincinnati used its remaining timeouts, but that would have required running the ball...and we can't guarantee we would have kept picking up first downs doing that.

Marvin Lewis' abysmal clock management decisions helped us out there.

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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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Miter Saw wrote:
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On a side note, hope I never have to hear Gruden and Sean McDontKnow ever call another Steeler game ever again. Quite possibly the worst commentary I have ever heard.


Quite possibly the worst announcing job I can remember.

It's like they took 2 drunk dudes out of the stands and said here's some mic's.

No signs of any preparation....just reactions.

I'm going to keep writing this team off every week....man they're a surprising bunch.

Game was very reminiscent of that playoff game. Weather. Late win. Injuries. Ugliness. No more Bengals games this year, that's another positive.



I agree whole hardheartedly that they were over the top with some of the stuff after the Burfict hit. Was not nearly as egregious as they suggested. Taunting was stupid

However I have to give them props when they took a shot at the officiating which is very rare. They went after the officials hard. They mentioned this crew threw the third(??) most flags in the league etc.

For me if there is one issue with the NFL that is turning me off it is the over officiousness of the game. Waaaaaay to many penalties called, kills any flow. Ticky tack has become a penalty every time. There is a saying in football officiating and it is "if you THINK you have a penalty you DON'T". Point being it has to 100% be a penalty AND have an impact on the play. Holding 30 yards away from the play does not affect the play, let it go. I liked very much that they called that crew out for all kinds of ticky tack bullshit flags. The holding call on Watt, ticky tack (the interference call on Bryant was a penalty)


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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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I agree about the officiating. Abysmal. Bengals TD should have stood, as the return by bryant - which was a make up call. JuJu's block in my book was legal.

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My brother and I were bewildered when we saw time ticking off the clock under 2 minutes. What’s the goal there, Marvin?

Bell’s run on first down where he waited in the backfield for eternity was spectacular. Bengals could not stop us on that last drive. Perfect balance of running and safe throws (well, the one to Bryant may have not been “safe” but I trust Grey to hit that window).

Masterful offensive game plan to win at the end. Was that Todd Haley? Who stole our Todd Haley?


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 Post subject: Re: NEVER BEEN MORE PROUD OF THIS TEAM
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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I don't mind the challenge. If there is even a decent chance of getting a turnover, I think a TO is worth it. I still have a huge problem with timeout after the sack.

1st goal is to not leave them any time... our drive was going to end with 0:00 on the clock, no matter what. The TO was only for getting the FG unit on the field. Calling TO after the snap allowed the O to operate in near normal conditions, with every thing in play, and more or less forced the Bengals to use their TOs, regardless of whether we were hurrying or not.

The difference is: we were able to manipulate the clock and playcall according to our plans, instead of scrambling at the end of the game and risking a mistake.


2:45 seconds left. Let’s say first down you go incomplete or tackled for no gain. Next down incomplete. All of a sudden, you have a huge third down with a lot of time left on the clock. If the Steelers get into field goal range, they wouldn’t need 2:45. All they really need is two minutes (or 29 seconds). But if they fail, the extra time would’ve helped the Bengals. Having the extra timeout would have enabled you to use it once the drive was appeared to be successful.


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I agree about the officiating. Abysmal. Bengals TD should have stood, as the return by bryant - which was a make up call. JuJu's block in my book was legal.


Bengals player had a handful of Watts’ jersey after Watt passed him. That’s called holding on DBs all of the time. Bengals got hosed on other calls; of course Green used a swim move to get open on a TD.


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Zeke5123 wrote:
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I don't mind the challenge. If there is even a decent chance of getting a turnover, I think a TO is worth it. I still have a huge problem with timeout after the sack.

1st goal is to not leave them any time... our drive was going to end with 0:00 on the clock, no matter what. The TO was only for getting the FG unit on the field. Calling TO after the snap allowed the O to operate in near normal conditions, with every thing in play, and more or less forced the Bengals to use their TOs, regardless of whether we were hurrying or not.

The difference is: we were able to manipulate the clock and playcall according to our plans, instead of scrambling at the end of the game and risking a mistake.


2:45 seconds left. Let’s say first down you go incomplete or tackled for no gain. Next down incomplete. All of a sudden, you have a huge third down with a lot of time left on the clock. If the Steelers get into field goal range, they wouldn’t need 2:45. All they really need is two minutes (or 29 seconds). But if they fail, the extra time would’ve helped the Bengals. Having the extra timeout would have enabled you to use it once the drive was appeared to be successful.

I would have bet the house the Steelers were running on 1st play of their drive. They called plays to run clock, and it happened to gain yards.

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I think at that point Tomlin has to (which he did, and which he said he did last week as well) put all his eggs in the basket of how can his team best drive for the winning FG. It is with 2:00 left and two timeouts, or is it with 2:47 and one timeout. He chose the latter. I agreed with him last night, disagreed with him last week.

I don't think he was focused on what would happen if his team goes three and out.


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