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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:54 pm 
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I think his career is over. He will walk away as his wife will make him see to his health for his families sake. The Steelers organization should do right by him by honoring his full contract and kick in some more to boot as he would have been a Steeler for many years to come. It's a shame as he was very talented. Had some growing to do but the athletic ability was there


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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I selfishly hope he never plays again. I would be uneasy watching him out there.


aren't you also uneasy about watching big hits now too? Or am I mixing you up with someone else? It might be time to just stick with the PGA.


Yeah definitely not me. I’m all for big hits and hate the way refs instinctively throw flags anytime there is a big hit. I didn’t think the Shazier hit was anything unusual. I’m just personally would be nervous watching him play knowing that he’s already suffered what seems like a serious spinal injury. I’m not a doctor so maybe my fear would be misplaced but it would make me uneasy.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Happy he’s going to be OK, but man this is a massive blow to a defense that was clicking. Completely changes the look of that unit.


Absolutely. That defense goes from an A-B+ to C unit, imo.

Has a C unit defense ever won a SB?

Last year? NE was 16th, ATL was 26th.


Did either of those teams have offenses that struggle to score the way ours does?

This is shaping up to be this year’s excuse as the middle of the field will now having even bigger holes to exploit.

Might not be much the D can do about it this year. Maybe bump Watt inside and put Harrison in outside.

Best way to really counter this is to get the offense to crank out 30+. Short of that our season continues in name only as this D minus Shazier isn’t holding a team like NE to less than 20. Would have been a tall order with him.

Hoping the guy can lead a normal life....


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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I almost never talk about my work at Thr Players’ Tribune on twitter, because twitter is bad, but I’m breaking that rule to tell a quick story about Ryan Shazier ...

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Ryan came into our office because he wanted to tell his story, about growing up with alopecia from the time he was 4 years old. He couldn’t ever remember having hair, and he couldn’t ever remember a time when people didn’t troll him for it.

But as he was telling me all these stories about kids making fun of him, he was doing it with a genuine smile of his face. Not like a fake smile. Not like “I’m a millionaire now” thing. He just seemed almost indifferent to the hate.

So I said, point blank, “man, I really admire your attitude, but honestly, I don’t get it. If someone says something mean to me on twitter, even now, it’ll make me genuinely upset. How could you ignore it, especially as a kid?”

And he said, “Football. Football, bro. I just ... I just love it. I knew I could go to the football field and nothing else mattered. People could say what they want, but out there, I was gonna be a beast, you know?”

The open secret of the nfl is that a lot nfl players don’t particularly enjoy playing in the nfl. It’s incredidbly brutal and demanding. But I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who loved playing football like Shazier.

He genuinely — and I mean genuinely — wanted to tell his story so that he could make things a little better for kids (and adults) who are embarrassed about having alopecia. When he left, I said to my colleague, “that guy is just special.”

A few weeks later, Dan Rooney passed away. We were putting together a tribute for him. I texted Shazier asking if he wanted to give one of his memories. He texted me back literally 30 seconds later. “Absolutely. When?”

Ryan Shazier is the ultimate Steeler, and one of the best guys in football. Keep him in your prayers.


All the more reason this sucks. Very difficult to not only replace the athlete but also replace the athlete with true passion for his craft...


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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I selfishly hope he never plays again. I would be uneasy watching him out there.


aren't you also uneasy about watching big hits now too? Or am I mixing you up with someone else? It might be time to just stick with the PGA.
Oh for fucks sake. Agenda much?

Dude has a history of stingers and the last injury was numbness in his arm. Could have been the same injury, only not as severe. Detailed reports suggest that once you've suffered an injury like this the chances of it happening again are high. And it might actually do irreparable damage.

I personally loved the JuJu hit. Clean. That's football.

But everybody is just soft when they show concern for a player, right?


i was responding because someone in another thread said they can't bare to watch big hits anymore. I thought it was Art.

Do you know what a stinger is? It has absolutely nothing to do with this injury, other than the fact that they can both be caused by poor technique, which Shazier can have at times.

People that moan around about not being able to watch hits anymore because what head injuries can do to someone latter in life confuse the hell out of me. Were you so damn naive to think that bashing your head into another man until you're 35 years old is healthy for longevity in life. Did you watch boxing 15 years ago (before the CTE publicity) and think those guys won't suffer repercussions later in life? I guess I should never underestimate the naivety of people and sports. Football is the same. Actually, its not, it was MUCH worse 20 years ago in terms of brutality that it is now.

Like everyone, I hope he recovers fully. I'll cheer him whether he plays again or doesn't.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Art Vandelay wrote:
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I selfishly hope he never plays again. I would be uneasy watching him out there.


aren't you also uneasy about watching big hits now too? Or am I mixing you up with someone else? It might be time to just stick with the PGA.


Yeah definitely not me. I’m all for big hits and hate the way refs instinctively throw flags anytime there is a big hit. I didn’t think the Shazier hit was anything unusual. I’m just personally would be nervous watching him play knowing that he’s already suffered what seems like a serious spinal injury. I’m not a doctor so maybe my fear would be misplaced but it would make me uneasy.


My mistake Art.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Glad he is going to be all right. As far as the team, he was never going to be a player that can be counted on because of injuries. Probably better to have to find his replacement than deal with him in and out of the lineup.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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He's made a solid chunk of money. Assuming he walks away from this (no pun intended), he should move on with his life. Played his ass off here and will always be loved, but go raise kids and grow old.


He made an OK chunk of money -- he was on the cusp of getting paid an extremely large chunk of money very soon, as his first contract was winding down this year.

What terrible timing, money wise. He was up for a very very large pay day --

That's gone now, but clearly not the most important issue.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Glad he is going to be all right. As far as the team, he was never going to be a player that can be counted on because of injuries. Probably better to have to find his replacement than deal with him in and out of the lineup.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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RemoAZ wrote:
Glad he is going to be all right. As far as the team, he was never going to be a player that can be counted on because of injuries. Probably better to have to find his replacement than deal with him in and out of the lineup.


This is one of the more ridiculous posts I've read in some time.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Fuckin defense is gonna miss this dude, big time. Motherfucker.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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RemoAZ wrote:
Glad he is going to be all right. As far as the team, he was never going to be a player that can be counted on because of injuries. Probably better to have to find his replacement than deal with him in and out of the lineup.


Wow.. what a fucking idiotic comment. You're literally a fucking moron.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Fuckin defense is gonna miss this dude, big time. Motherfucker.


For sure. If the D can hold the opponents to 30 points or under, moving forward, maybe the offense can somehow find a way to score 30 plus points a game?!

I know, it's hoping for a lot but most things are possible.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Glad he is going to be all right. As far as the team, he was never going to be a player that can be counted on because of injuries. Probably better to have to find his replacement than deal with him in and out of the lineup.


Wow.. what a fucking idiotic comment. You're literally a fucking moron.

Fuck off. I don't get emotionally attached to players anymore. The guy couldn't stay healthy. I said a prayer as he was getting carted off like many did and another when they said he was going to be ok. I wish him the best as I do the team.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Fuckin defense is gonna miss this dude, big time. Motherfucker.


For sure. If the D can hold the opponents to 30 points or under, moving forward, maybe the offense can somehow find a way to score 30 plus points a game?!

I know, it's hoping for a lot but most things are possible.


This offense goes full retard in the first half of most games. For them to average 30 points, they'll need to average 24 points in the 2nd half at this rate.

Unless Bryant goes full Alien for the rest of the year, you can't count on this unit.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Glad he is going to be all right. As far as the team, he was never going to be a player that can be counted on because of injuries. Probably better to have to find his replacement than deal with him in and out of the lineup.


:shock:


Touch indelicate, perhaps...


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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I don't flinch when I see big hits and I won't because of this because to be honest Ryan's inability to tackle without nailing people with his head caused this. It's really fucking sad too because he seemed to be a great dude.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Fuck off. I don't get emotionally attached to players anymore.

Or humans in general, perhaps.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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I don't flinch when I see big hits and I won't because of this because to be honest Ryan's inability to tackle without nailing people with his head caused this. It's really fucking sad too because he seemed to be a great dude.

You'd think a coach's kid would tackle heads-up. I cringed every time I saw him lead with the crown.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Glad he is going to be all right. As far as the team, he was never going to be a player that can be counted on because of injuries. Probably better to have to find his replacement than deal with him in and out of the lineup.


Wow.. what a fucking idiotic comment. You're literally a fucking moron.

Fuck off. I don't get emotionally attached to players anymore. The guy couldn't stay healthy. I said a prayer as he was getting carted off like many did and another when they said he was going to be ok. I wish him the best as I do the team.


Prayer doesn't do shit anyway, so don't worry about butt hurt fanboys.

It's a shame Shazier was hurt, but it was HIS OWN DAMN fault. He's still a millionaire and our only jobs as FANS is to root for the best possible outcome for the Steelers. It's a fact that Shazier couldn't and still can't be counted on due to injuries. In fact, I doubt he plays at full strength ever again, if at all.

It's a shame but lets not cry and become offended because people speak the truth.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Have heard no mention of Tiger Woods in this thread. That man puts some torque on his back.

Since we know hardly anything at this point, I can make some assumptions that allows me to see Shazier playing again in a year.

If Tiger had nerve issues in his legs and his fusion surgery cured that and he still goes max torque, I could certainly see Ryan getting fusion/stabilization surgery to essentially eliminate the hot spot in his spine. One could argue that he could be better than before. Bones fusing together,they say are strongest at the literal fused site.

Tiger’s twisting torque during his swing would make me more nervous than Ryan tackling...might be 50/50. Swing speed to hit 320 yards is serious torque.

This is all based on the assumption that no damage was done to his cord.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Have heard no mention of Tiger Woods in this thread. That man puts some torque on his back.

Since we know hardly anything at this point, I can make some assumptions that allows me to see Shazier playing again in a year.

If Tiger had nerve issues in his legs and his fusion surgery cured that and he still goes max torque, I could certainly see Ryan getting fusion/stabilization surgery to essentially eliminate the hot spot in his spine. One could argue that he could be better than before. Bones fusing together,they say are strongest at the literal fused site.

Tiger’s twisting torque during his swing would make me more nervous than Ryan tackling...might be 50/50. Swing speed to hit 320 yards is serious torque.

This is all based on the assumption that no damage was done to his cord.

Interesting take. I think Shazier's situation carries a lot more psychological weight. If he can't bring himself to play with the same reckless abandon, then I don't believe he would play again. He knows there's only one way to play this game.

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I think everyone is on the same page, quality of life before a return to football, if at all. possible.
Hoping whatever is required, #50 goes on to a healthy life moving forward.

From a football perspective, I find it interesting that he has not been placed om IR ?
Anybody hear anything on that angle ?
It makes sense to me that they would IR him and add another player ...haven't seen or heard anything on that

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I think everyone is on the same page, quality of life before a return to football, if at all. possible.
Hoping whatever is required, #50 goes on to a healthy life moving forward.

From a football perspective, I find it interesting that he has not been placed om IR ?
Anybody hear anything on that angle ?
It makes sense to me that they would IR him and add another player ...haven't seen or heard anything on that


That will be coming but they didn't need to with Juju being suspended.

So probably Monday.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Ryan will be the last person to concede that his football career is over. Horrible situation for everyone. The Steelers are maybe the last major sports franchise that operates with mom and pop sensibilities and they.will arrange that everything known to humanity that can be done for Ryan will be done. He loves the game but everyone including the Steelers will have to break his heart and keep him off the field. He will inspire the team because they love the game as much as he does and now he can't play. It could end on any play so play every down like it's your last.

Moving Watt makes no sense. Maybe for coverage or confusing looks but don't shore up one weak spot by weakening another. Now more than before we need spicy heat on the QB, we need him outside. That position needs Watt rotating with James. SS knows the defense, he has to be mentally sharp and physically competent, doesn't have to be dynamic. Others have to be dynamic. Sad reality is ILB is now a draft priority.


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