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Fuckin defense is gonna miss this dude, big time. Motherfucker.


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Glad he is going to be all right. As far as the team, he was never going to be a player that can be counted on because of injuries. Probably better to have to find his replacement than deal with him in and out of the lineup.


Wow.. what a fucking idiotic comment. You're literally a fucking moron.


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Fuckin defense is gonna miss this dude, big time. Motherfucker.


For sure. If the D can hold the opponents to 30 points or under, moving forward, maybe the offense can somehow find a way to score 30 plus points a game?!

I know, it's hoping for a lot but most things are possible.


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Glad he is going to be all right. As far as the team, he was never going to be a player that can be counted on because of injuries. Probably better to have to find his replacement than deal with him in and out of the lineup.


Wow.. what a fucking idiotic comment. You're literally a fucking moron.

Fuck off. I don't get emotionally attached to players anymore. The guy couldn't stay healthy. I said a prayer as he was getting carted off like many did and another when they said he was going to be ok. I wish him the best as I do the team.

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Stillchest wrote:
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Fuckin defense is gonna miss this dude, big time. Motherfucker.


For sure. If the D can hold the opponents to 30 points or under, moving forward, maybe the offense can somehow find a way to score 30 plus points a game?!

I know, it's hoping for a lot but most things are possible.


This offense goes full retard in the first half of most games. For them to average 30 points, they'll need to average 24 points in the 2nd half at this rate.

Unless Bryant goes full Alien for the rest of the year, you can't count on this unit.

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Glad he is going to be all right. As far as the team, he was never going to be a player that can be counted on because of injuries. Probably better to have to find his replacement than deal with him in and out of the lineup.


:shock:


Touch indelicate, perhaps...


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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I don't flinch when I see big hits and I won't because of this because to be honest Ryan's inability to tackle without nailing people with his head caused this. It's really fucking sad too because he seemed to be a great dude.

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Fuck off. I don't get emotionally attached to players anymore.

Or humans in general, perhaps.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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I don't flinch when I see big hits and I won't because of this because to be honest Ryan's inability to tackle without nailing people with his head caused this. It's really fucking sad too because he seemed to be a great dude.

You'd think a coach's kid would tackle heads-up. I cringed every time I saw him lead with the crown.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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benstunner wrote:
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Glad he is going to be all right. As far as the team, he was never going to be a player that can be counted on because of injuries. Probably better to have to find his replacement than deal with him in and out of the lineup.


Wow.. what a fucking idiotic comment. You're literally a fucking moron.

Fuck off. I don't get emotionally attached to players anymore. The guy couldn't stay healthy. I said a prayer as he was getting carted off like many did and another when they said he was going to be ok. I wish him the best as I do the team.


Prayer doesn't do shit anyway, so don't worry about butt hurt fanboys.

It's a shame Shazier was hurt, but it was HIS OWN DAMN fault. He's still a millionaire and our only jobs as FANS is to root for the best possible outcome for the Steelers. It's a fact that Shazier couldn't and still can't be counted on due to injuries. In fact, I doubt he plays at full strength ever again, if at all.

It's a shame but lets not cry and become offended because people speak the truth.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Have heard no mention of Tiger Woods in this thread. That man puts some torque on his back.

Since we know hardly anything at this point, I can make some assumptions that allows me to see Shazier playing again in a year.

If Tiger had nerve issues in his legs and his fusion surgery cured that and he still goes max torque, I could certainly see Ryan getting fusion/stabilization surgery to essentially eliminate the hot spot in his spine. One could argue that he could be better than before. Bones fusing together,they say are strongest at the literal fused site.

Tiger’s twisting torque during his swing would make me more nervous than Ryan tackling...might be 50/50. Swing speed to hit 320 yards is serious torque.

This is all based on the assumption that no damage was done to his cord.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Have heard no mention of Tiger Woods in this thread. That man puts some torque on his back.

Since we know hardly anything at this point, I can make some assumptions that allows me to see Shazier playing again in a year.

If Tiger had nerve issues in his legs and his fusion surgery cured that and he still goes max torque, I could certainly see Ryan getting fusion/stabilization surgery to essentially eliminate the hot spot in his spine. One could argue that he could be better than before. Bones fusing together,they say are strongest at the literal fused site.

Tiger’s twisting torque during his swing would make me more nervous than Ryan tackling...might be 50/50. Swing speed to hit 320 yards is serious torque.

This is all based on the assumption that no damage was done to his cord.

Interesting take. I think Shazier's situation carries a lot more psychological weight. If he can't bring himself to play with the same reckless abandon, then I don't believe he would play again. He knows there's only one way to play this game.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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I think everyone is on the same page, quality of life before a return to football, if at all. possible.
Hoping whatever is required, #50 goes on to a healthy life moving forward.

From a football perspective, I find it interesting that he has not been placed om IR ?
Anybody hear anything on that angle ?
It makes sense to me that they would IR him and add another player ...haven't seen or heard anything on that

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Defense wrote:
I think everyone is on the same page, quality of life before a return to football, if at all. possible.
Hoping whatever is required, #50 goes on to a healthy life moving forward.

From a football perspective, I find it interesting that he has not been placed om IR ?
Anybody hear anything on that angle ?
It makes sense to me that they would IR him and add another player ...haven't seen or heard anything on that


That will be coming but they didn't need to with Juju being suspended.

So probably Monday.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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Ryan will be the last person to concede that his football career is over. Horrible situation for everyone. The Steelers are maybe the last major sports franchise that operates with mom and pop sensibilities and they.will arrange that everything known to humanity that can be done for Ryan will be done. He loves the game but everyone including the Steelers will have to break his heart and keep him off the field. He will inspire the team because they love the game as much as he does and now he can't play. It could end on any play so play every down like it's your last.

Moving Watt makes no sense. Maybe for coverage or confusing looks but don't shore up one weak spot by weakening another. Now more than before we need spicy heat on the QB, we need him outside. That position needs Watt rotating with James. SS knows the defense, he has to be mentally sharp and physically competent, doesn't have to be dynamic. Others have to be dynamic. Sad reality is ILB is now a draft priority.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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I don't follow football much now but at heart, I will always bleed a bit black and gold. I just heard the latest news...fucking heartbreaking. Shaz is a damn good kid and was a fun and superb player.

Honor the lad. He deserves it. Have a great holiday all.


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I don't follow football much now but at heart, I will always bleed a bit black and gold. I just heard the latest news...fucking heartbreaking. Shaz is a damn good kid and was a fun and superb player.

Honor the lad. He deserves it. Have a great holiday all.






Why aren't you following football anymore Clan?


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I am sick hope he has the ability for a normal life football is non important get well Ryan


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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GreekSteel wrote:
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I don't follow football much now but at heart, I will always bleed a bit black and gold. I just heard the latest news...fucking heartbreaking. Shaz is a damn good kid and was a fun and superb player.

Honor the lad. He deserves it. Have a great holiday all.






Why aren't you following football anymore Clan?


Not trying to speak for Clan, but NFL football is basically unwatchable. Being a Steeler fan has kept my interest, other than them I'd rather garden. Or fish, or do any number of things that doesn't frustrate me watching a game that makes no sense on a play to play basis.

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Fuckin defense is gonna miss this dude, big time. Motherfucker.


For sure. If the D can hold the opponents to 30 points or under, moving forward, maybe the offense can somehow find a way to score 30 plus points a game?!

I know, it's hoping for a lot but most things are possible.


This offense goes full retard in the first half of most games. For them to average 30 points, they'll need to average 24 points in the 2nd half at this rate.

Unless Bryant goes full Alien for the rest of the year, you can't count on this unit.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier updates
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Have heard no mention of Tiger Woods in this thread. That man puts some torque on his back.

Since we know hardly anything at this point, I can make some assumptions that allows me to see Shazier playing again in a year.

If Tiger had nerve issues in his legs and his fusion surgery cured that and he still goes max torque, I could certainly see Ryan getting fusion/stabilization surgery to essentially eliminate the hot spot in his spine. One could argue that he could be better than before. Bones fusing together,they say are strongest at the literal fused site.

Tiger’s twisting torque during his swing would make me more nervous than Ryan tackling...might be 50/50. Swing speed to hit 320 yards is serious torque.

This is all based on the assumption that no damage was done to his cord.


Fusion surgery don't have good long term prognosis. I think Tiger has had multiple. I expect he will be on the shelf again soon. The spine needs motion and when you start eliminating that with fusion (sometimes a necessary evil) the joints above and below it go to shit. Rinse, repeat.

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Have heard no mention of Tiger Woods in this thread. That man puts some torque on his back.

Since we know hardly anything at this point, I can make some assumptions that allows me to see Shazier playing again in a year.

If Tiger had nerve issues in his legs and his fusion surgery cured that and he still goes max torque, I could certainly see Ryan getting fusion/stabilization surgery to essentially eliminate the hot spot in his spine. One could argue that he could be better than before. Bones fusing together,they say are strongest at the literal fused site.

Tiger’s twisting torque during his swing would make me more nervous than Ryan tackling...might be 50/50. Swing speed to hit 320 yards is serious torque.

This is all based on the assumption that no damage was done to his cord.


Fusion surgery don't have good long term prognosis. I think Tiger has had multiple. I expect he will be on the shelf again soon. The spine needs motion and when you start eliminating that with fusion (sometimes a necessary evil) the joints above and below it go to shit. Rinse, repeat.


What's your prognosis, RS? You're probably best qualified among the esteemed readership to offer an opinion based on available info?


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R S wrote:
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Have heard no mention of Tiger Woods in this thread. That man puts some torque on his back.

Since we know hardly anything at this point, I can make some assumptions that allows me to see Shazier playing again in a year.

If Tiger had nerve issues in his legs and his fusion surgery cured that and he still goes max torque, I could certainly see Ryan getting fusion/stabilization surgery to essentially eliminate the hot spot in his spine. One could argue that he could be better than before. Bones fusing together,they say are strongest at the literal fused site.

Tiger’s twisting torque during his swing would make me more nervous than Ryan tackling...might be 50/50. Swing speed to hit 320 yards is serious torque.

This is all based on the assumption that no damage was done to his cord.


Fusion surgery don't have good long term prognosis. I think Tiger has had multiple. I expect he will be on the shelf again soon. The spine needs motion and when you start eliminating that with fusion (sometimes a necessary evil) the joints above and below it go to shit. Rinse, repeat.


Success of fusion depends on what the fusion is trying to fix. A lot of fusion surgeries are last gasp efforts to relieve pain after conservative treatment fails. Those fusions generally have poor outcomes. Fusions to stabilize injured or damaged vertebrae have high success rates. I was told 90%+. I can talk about this from personal experience. I had a lumbar fusion at L4/L5 to correct a pars fracture of my L4 vertebrae that was causing grade 2 spondylolithesis. The surgery changed my life. I went from not being able to tie my shoes to getting back in the gym 4 days a week, cycling 80 miles a week, and playing baseball again on the weekends. I’m not try to compare what my physical needs are to that of a an NFL player. But I can say a fusion can return you to as good as new.

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R S wrote:
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Have heard no mention of Tiger Woods in this thread. That man puts some torque on his back.

Since we know hardly anything at this point, I can make some assumptions that allows me to see Shazier playing again in a year.

If Tiger had nerve issues in his legs and his fusion surgery cured that and he still goes max torque, I could certainly see Ryan getting fusion/stabilization surgery to essentially eliminate the hot spot in his spine. One could argue that he could be better than before. Bones fusing together,they say are strongest at the literal fused site.

Tiger’s twisting torque during his swing would make me more nervous than Ryan tackling...might be 50/50. Swing speed to hit 320 yards is serious torque.

This is all based on the assumption that no damage was done to his cord.


Fusion surgery don't have good long term prognosis. I think Tiger has had multiple. I expect he will be on the shelf again soon. The spine needs motion and when you start eliminating that with fusion (sometimes a necessary evil) the joints above and below it go to shit. Rinse, repeat.


What's your prognosis, RS? You're probably best qualified among the esteemed readership to offer an opinion based on available info?


I have no idea. The axial compression may have blown his disc into oblivion and thus into the cord. Or, as the NFL Dr. guy mentioned, it may have been a burst fracture of a vertebrae at the thoracolumbar junction. But if it was actually a fracture, I'd be surprised that hasn't come out. Mostly because that sounds really bad and would be a good clickbaiting headline. If his feeling is back and everything is normal with no long term cord damage, and it was a disc that caused the issue, I don't see any reason he couldn't play again down the road when he recovers from the surgery. If he so desires. Many guys have been cleared to play after similar surgeries. It all depends if he did long term damage to the cord or not.(which we don't know) Also, if he had a significant congenital narrowing (stenosis) in his spine, I imagine that would be known from pre-draft examinations. So I doubt that is a thing.

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Have heard no mention of Tiger Woods in this thread. That man puts some torque on his back.

Since we know hardly anything at this point, I can make some assumptions that allows me to see Shazier playing again in a year.

If Tiger had nerve issues in his legs and his fusion surgery cured that and he still goes max torque, I could certainly see Ryan getting fusion/stabilization surgery to essentially eliminate the hot spot in his spine. One could argue that he could be better than before. Bones fusing together,they say are strongest at the literal fused site.

Tiger’s twisting torque during his swing would make me more nervous than Ryan tackling...might be 50/50. Swing speed to hit 320 yards is serious torque.

This is all based on the assumption that no damage was done to his cord.


Fusion surgery don't have good long term prognosis. I think Tiger has had multiple. I expect he will be on the shelf again soon. The spine needs motion and when you start eliminating that with fusion (sometimes a necessary evil) the joints above and below it go to shit. Rinse, repeat.


Success of fusion depends on what the fusion is trying to fix. A lot of fusion surgeries are last gasp efforts to relieve pain after conservative treatment fails. Those fusions generally have poor outcomes. Fusions to stabilize injured or damaged vertebrae have high success rates. I was told 90%+. I can talk about this from personal experience. I had a lumbar fusion at L4/L5 to correct a pars fracture of my L4 vertebrae that was causing grade 2 spondylolithesis. The surgery changed my life. I went from not being able to tie my shoes to getting back in the gym 4 days a week, cycling 80 miles a week, and playing baseball again on the weekends. I’m not try to compare what my physical needs are to that of a an NFL player. But I can say a fusion can return you to as good as new.


out of curiosity, how long ago was the fusion? Like I said, some are very necessary. Spondy being a big one. Also the most successful. Did they remove the disc? With disectomy and fusion it is usually multiple years before the chickens come home to roost

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