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 Post subject: Ben On No-Huddle
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:10 pm 
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http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/11/21/ben-on-use-of-no-huddle-moving-forward-its-up-to-coach-todd-and-what-the-rest-of-the-staff-wants-to-do/#.WhSKZoOgk_s.twitter

Says they ran no-huddle for 1st series, then went away from it, then used it end of 1st half and all or most of the 2nd half. In case you had doubts.

Says future use of no-huddle depends on what "Coach Todd and the rest of the staff wants to do."

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 Post subject: Re: Ben On No-Huddle
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:17 pm 
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It's a shame that Coach Re-Todd would even have a say! Let's see, score on almost every drive (touchdowns to boot) or play it close and hope we can pull out the win. Wonder which would help this team get to the super bowl and possibly win it. If Coach Re-tood doesn't want to continue with no huddle, I think Ben and the players should have a player meeting only and decide to implement it no matter what the coaches want. What is Tomlin going to do, bench Ben only to have him make a comment in the media that makes Tomlin look like the foolish tool he is? It's productivity vs. abomination. Any coach with have a brain would pick productivity, but then again we are dealing with the potted fucking plant, so I guess we'll have to wait and see what choice is made.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:21 pm 
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It's called the 'Politics of Coaching' because re-Todd is there under the title of offensive coordinator he has to have a say. Myself..., I wouldn't allow him to draw up a process for serving the gatorade. The Broncos fired McCoy and the Raiders fired Norton. Why can't the Steelers Fire the re-Todd? Do it already.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben On No-Huddle
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Honestly this makes me blame Tomlin all the more. He sees the results of each approach and yet he allows the no huddle to collect dust. FFS!


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the no huddle with ben has usually always been effective and potent..only an idiot cant see this..instead steelers enjoy the plodding slow as shit play calls to allow the defense to rest and sub. they already know our shit plays. give them maximum time to defend them as they allow the play clock to hit zero; this way the defense can get that extra step rushing as they know when the snap is...maddening to say the least.
steelers should run no huddle 70% of time...and switch it up at different times.. catching other teams napping. aggressive and fast..why have elite talent on offense if u plan to win all your games 19-17?


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 Post subject: Re: Ben On No-Huddle
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:00 pm 
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It seems as though every year the offense struggles, they go no huddle, the offense clicks, they move away from no huddle, the offense struggles. There must be something else going on. No team can be that blatanlty unobservant.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben On No-Huddle
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The difference in Ben’s game with no huddle is obvious.It allows him to get into a rhythm.Once Ben is in a rhythm he is almost unstoppable.Ben has always been a guy that you could tell what kind of game he is going to have by his first 2-3 throws.Going no huddle let’s Ben manipulate the D and keeps his head constantly thinking.Mentally in rhythm is just as important as physically.So why not get him hot early and slow things down a bit in the second half when you have a good lead?

He is rarely sharp when the Steelers use the ground and pound game early.Next thing you know it’s 3rd and 6 and a not in rhythm Ben has to throw a perfect pass to move the chains.Then incomplete passand the same madness on the next drive.How many times have we seen this?

The great thing about Bell is that he is just as dangerous in the passing game.So favoring the pass doesn’t mean not using one of your most dangerous weapons.Something you can’t say for some other top backs like Zeke,Fournette etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben On No-Huddle
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The year we ran quite a bit of it seemed to have some diminishing returns. There could have been other factors.

Probably one of the things they've been holding back to keep off film. My theory is that it's a reduced playbook, or that Ben doesn't call enough variety of plays. So in order to avoid displaying those tendencies, they use it sparingly.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben On No-Huddle
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Whichever method of offensive genius prevents any further Martavis reverses for negative 7 yards....that's the offense I want to run.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben On No-Huddle
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BarryFoster wrote:
Whichever method of offensive genius prevents any further Martavis reverses for negative 7 yards....that's the offense I want to run.

what year did the reverse ever work ? think randell el was involved.. :x yet they pound the square peg..


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 Post subject: Re: Ben On No-Huddle
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/11/21/ben-on-use-of-no-huddle-moving-forward-its-up-to-coach-todd-and-what-the-rest-of-the-staff-wants-to-do/#.WhSKZoOgk_s.twitter

Says they ran no-huddle for 1st series, then went away from it, then used it end of 1st half and all or most of the 2nd half. In case you had doubts.

Says future use of no-huddle depends on what "Coach Todd and the rest of the staff wants to do."


Ben with a little passive aggressive statement there. He knows how best this offense works and he's always been a proponent of the no-huddle offense. That offense allows him to see the field and attack the weaknesses of the opposing D something that Haley totally disregards. Ben wants the team to be great and wants to score points. Haley wants to have an attrition battle of some sort and it continually puts the team in a schizophrenic mode of operation and like other posters have mentioned it continually makes it where a superhuman effort is needed to just move the chains.

The fact that this team is 31st in RZ efficiency should say all that is needed about the job Tdd Haley is doing. With the talent that we have on this squad, last Thursday should've been the norm and not the exception.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben On No-Huddle
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:49 am 
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This is pure PC language to relegate mr watcher boy to doing what he's good at

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 Post subject: Re: Ben On No-Huddle
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GreekSteel wrote:
Honestly this makes me blame Tomlin all the more. He sees the results of each approach and yet he allows the no huddle to collect dust. FFS!


Tomlin has stated more than once the no huddle is a gimmick
It is not part of a plan


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 Post subject: Re: Ben On No-Huddle
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The steelers should get a bye barring some serious stupidity from Todd and co
I would really like to see them start working in New offensive options each week from here out
Use the no huddle strategically and not just a a preselected time in the game
Bryant in some shorter routes
McDonald on seam routes
Five wide without bell
PLAY ACTION

Against the pats in the playoffs they need to sustain drives by means other than simply running up,the middle or bubble screens


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 Post subject: Re: Ben On No-Huddle
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:24 pm 
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Gonzo wrote:
The steelers should get a bye barring some serious stupidity from Todd and co
I would really like to see them start working in New offensive options each week from here out
Use the no huddle strategically and not just a a preselected time in the game
Bryant in some shorter routes
McDonald on seam routes
Five wide without bell
PLAY ACTION

Against the pats in the playoffs they need to sustain drives by means other than simply running up,the middle or bubble screens


Re: the bolded...the more general principle should be receivers shouldn’t be pigeonholed into certain parts of the route tree, which sometimes feels like it’s a Steeler tendency, except in the no huddle.

McDonald has to be healthy to run those seam routes- hopefully his injury was minor and he’s ready go Sunday.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben On No-Huddle
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:00 am 
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alancac98 wrote:
It's a shame that Coach Re-Todd would even have a say! Let's see, score on almost every drive (touchdowns to boot) or play it close and hope we can pull out the win. Wonder which would help this team get to the super bowl and possibly win it. If Coach Re-tood doesn't want to continue with no huddle, I think Ben and the players should have a player meeting only and decide to implement it no matter what the coaches want. What is Tomlin going to do, bench Ben only to have him make a comment in the media that makes Tomlin look like the foolish tool he is? It's productivity vs. abomination. Any coach with have a brain would pick productivity, but then again we are dealing with the potted fucking plant, so I guess we'll have to wait and see what choice is made.



Beyond shame. It's a crime against the franchise, players and fans. The sky cam is the perspective Ben has, as a participant. The standard view is Haley's perspective as a spectator. Haley never took a snap, he never played the game. He's strictly theoretical, like any other semi knowledgeable spectator. Tomlin has grown a bit into the job and he's getting help where he's deficient like managing the clock. If Tomlin does not arrange for Ben to run the offense and relegate Haley to a subservient position he is a weak feckless HC that is violating the primary goal of his job description, to win games. The shouting match over the 2 point conversion revealed Haley to be immature, insecure and petty; combined with his strategy not to seek a tie on the road when there's no guarantee of getting the ball back with the score unchanged are the components of incompetence. Rarely does a team with a chemistry issue win a championship. If Tomlin doesn't run the offense through Ben he will continue to be Belichek's punching bag. If Tomlin knows what needs to be done and doesn't do it he's a weak feckless moron. If he doesn't know what needs to be done he's just a moron. If he knows what needs to be done and does it he's a HC who wants to win a SB.


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