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 Post subject: Re: CB's getting burned deep
PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:43 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Sensabaugh gave up an awful 75 yard TD to Matthews. This play was infuriating because Coty seemed to Run Away from ball and tackle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFcbhEh5ujA


But before we throw Sensabaugh under the bus. If you take away that big play Sensabaugh had a nearly perfect game. Including this play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVLznQODzZU

So overall a good game for Sensabaugh, but don't give up the big play.

It helps to understand what the coverage is supposed to be before criticizing someone's play.

The coverage was quarters, meaning 4 deep safeties, each with 25% . Did you see 4 deep safeties on that play? They should be on numbers - hash- hash - numbers. When Coty Sensabaugh has to cover 1/2 the football field, after having started in a position 3/4 of the way to one side of the field and thinking he has help to the inside... not a good plan. Sensabaugh is going to play that route differently if he thinks he's 1 on 1.


Apparently Mularkey schemed that play at halftime because he knew the safety would bite leaving Coty on an island. But I still think Coty could have played it better with the coverage and the tackle. But solid game for Coty other than the big play.

More here: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/11/fi ... cond-half/


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 Post subject: Re: CB's getting burned deep
PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:36 pm 
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Sorry, but I just don't have the optimism that most of you have for Artie Burns.

Many couldn't wait to kick Ross Cockrell out the door and yet here we have our first round pick playing like Cockrell.

Burns to me looks like Cortez Allen after he got his new contract.

What happened to that rookie CB who had 13 passes defensed and 3 INTs and was decent/good against the run (65 tackles)? Burns did all of that in 810 defensive snaps (9 games started).

Burns already has 612 snaps this season (10 games started), so he has 75% of the snaps from his rookie year yet only has 35 tackles, 7 passes defensed and 0 INTs.

Again, sorry, but that is disappointing. This is what we spent a first round pick on? This is a playmaking CB? A ballhawking CB who can make INTs, shut down WRs? Frequently he is 2, 3 yards off his man when the catch is being made. I have even seen some catches where he isn't even in view of the camera. WTF?

I guess what scares me the most about him is that he just appears so stiff out there, not fluid. His footwork sucks, his technique sucks, but maybe him being so stiff and tight in the hips makes that a moot point. Just so much you can do I guess.

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 Post subject: Re: CB's getting burned deep
PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:36 pm 
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the-other-burg wrote:
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Damn. I guess it's Artie Burned from now on.

For me... to jump the derogatory 'nickname' bandwagon on Burns is premature. Burns has good ball skills, excellent read/react and very good coverage skills. He doesn't like to form tackle. It seems to me. He like other DB's in NFL history aren't particularly good at wrapping up tackling. Hilton for as small as he is (NFL sizes) he wraps up and form tackles. I guess some got it and some don't. It's not anything that can't be improved upon IMO. That said, I watched Burns stick his head in there a few times when the Titans were running the ball. I guess he chooses his battles?


I was being somewhat facitious. I am still high on burns.

Got it. My facetious/sarcasm meter needs recalibration. My bad. :)


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 Post subject: Re: CB's getting burned deep
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:57 am 
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Stallworth16 wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Stallworth16 wrote:
Sensabaugh gave up an awful 75 yard TD to Matthews. This play was infuriating because Coty seemed to Run Away from ball and tackle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFcbhEh5ujA


But before we throw Sensabaugh under the bus. If you take away that big play Sensabaugh had a nearly perfect game. Including this play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVLznQODzZU

So overall a good game for Sensabaugh, but don't give up the big play.

It helps to understand what the coverage is supposed to be before criticizing someone's play.

The coverage was quarters, meaning 4 deep safeties, each with 25% . Did you see 4 deep safeties on that play? They should be on numbers - hash- hash - numbers. When Coty Sensabaugh has to cover 1/2 the football field, after having started in a position 3/4 of the way to one side of the field and thinking he has help to the inside... not a good plan. Sensabaugh is going to play that route differently if he thinks he's 1 on 1.


Apparently Mularkey schemed that play at halftime because he knew the safety would bite leaving Coty on an island. But I still think Coty could have played it better with the coverage and the tackle. But solid game for Coty other than the big play.

More here: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/11/fi ... cond-half/

With that setup, having seen the earlier play from same formation, I think Coty needed to play a little tighter at the snap-- not so far off. Matthews is not a guy who's going to run past Sensabaugh and I think I'd have preferred Coty leveraged Matthews to the outside more. Can't blame him for thinking that's where his help was, but with quarters, a lot of things can go wrong. Hell, Robert Golden made this same mistake as the guy in the Sensabaugh position playing same defense vs Pats in the AFCCG. Too much cushion, even in red zone, harder to re-route the receiver. Reaction to the throw too slow to get there.

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 Post subject: Re: CB's getting burned deep
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:25 am 
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I'll take it.

A gambling defense is exactly what we should be playing with the offensive talent we have.

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 Post subject: Re: CB's getting burned deep
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:11 am 
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Can't blame Coty on that TD. He had outside contain on that coverage and would always always be exposed on a post. It was just a terrible defensive call and alignment and Titans did a nice job exposing it. Terrible tackling didn't help.

On Burns, I can't say that I'm not a bit disappointed. He's playing like a gambling corner but none of those gambles are paying off. A corner of that talent should be getting more INTs and taking them to the house in a given season. It's certainly an odd year for him.

I can live with the shitty run support if you have great coverage skills, and at times, he does. But, he is just to inconsistent. He's got a bit of Bud Dupree in him with some elite physical traits but with technique that is inconsistent and lets him down at times.

That said...we do have the number 2 scoring defense in the league and he has had his moments. You just wish the level of play was a little more elite.


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 Post subject: Re: CB's getting burned deep
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:27 pm 
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Defense:
34 team sacks, 12 team INTs.
Shazier leads in tackles with 60 and INTs with 3. Shazier also leads the team in PDs with 9. Hilton is right behind Shazier with 2 INTs.
Both Watt and Dupree each have 4 sacks with Watt having 1 INT.
Heyward leads the team in sacks with 7. Right behind him is VWill with 6 sacks.
Burns leads the team with 2 fumble recoveries and has 7 PDs making him 2nd behind Shazier.
AB leads the team in fumbles with 3 and Ben is right behind him with 2.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... ll_defense


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 Post subject: Re: CB's getting burned deep
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:07 pm 
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Smashmouth21 wrote:
Everyone bemoans the soft zone, death by 1000 paper cuts then complains when the secondary plays more aggressive and gets beat a couple time. Unfazed by the hypocrisy.

As for Burns. Count me among those not concerned. He's by far the most talented cover guy we have. Do I wish he tackled better? Sure. But unless he is a complete pussy, which he's not, that does not bother me too much. Due to his natural ability Burns is a gambler. That means he's going to be susceptible to the double move. But it also means he's going to make plays on the ball and force picks like the one he caused against the Titans. He's the least of the problems in the secondary.


Even Rod Woodson bit on play action and other deceptions. He gambled on jumping routes AND he got burned once in a while. It happens. He was pretty good.


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 Post subject: Re: CB's getting burned deep
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:31 pm 
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Smashmouth21 wrote:
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He's played all 10 games this season, with those gambling tactics of his he should at least have.....wait, how many INTs does he have again this season?

Burns caused a Mariota pick just two days ago. Did you even watch the game? To me that was a far more impressive play than the one where Hilton had the ball overthrown right to him. Some of you guys...


Yeah, I was also watching Artie miss tackle after tackle when given the chance...right now he’s actually playing like a big pussy.


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