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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:00 pm 
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On offense, use the whole offense, the whole field, and the whole 60 minutes. Don’t try to sit on a lead. Don’t try to milk the clock. Don’t try to run downhill. Don’t do what you always do.

This can’t be stressed enough. If you get a lead, stay on them. Look to increase the lead...attack, attack, attack. CAN NOT TURTLE. Leave the door open and those fucks will kick it in.
Slay the dragon!!!

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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They'll win because I'll be there 8-)

Actually quite the opposite....I was in Foxborough for the Anthony Smith game. I was at Heinz for the game Gronk scored 3 TDs against us.

We're fucked.



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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:48 pm 
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Heres how.....

I think across the board we have better players...

I think we are gonna beat them by double digits


Avatar bet on Steelers beating the Patsies by double digits. Steelers do it, you can pick my avatar for 5 years. They don't, I pick yours for five years. You game?

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:24 am 
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How will the Steelers beat NE? With Haden hurt I am worried we will go into a turtle shell zone defense again. I was expecting full on mano e mano in the defensive backfield. Now I am afraid that Butler will elect not to use man because of personnel issues.

It is Super Bowl or bust and defeating NE in the regular season is a must, otherwise it is up to Lady Luck!

Don’t give me the jinx posts in this thread because none of the other games mean squat unless we thoroughly dismantle NE in the regular season.

If I was head coach for that game I would just set out to end Brady’s career via all out blitz’s on essentially every down until he was out. He is the only thing and person standing in our way. Blitz and blitz and blitz. If we lose 50 to nothing who cares, just take out Brady within the rules of the game. Smash him with borderline lane hits, hold in the secondary to allow coverage sacks and keep nailing him until his Achilles or rotator cuff are gone. Who will be the bucket of water to melt the witch?

Thoughts on how to exorcise this demon?


Had a lot of coffee this morning and I know very little about football. If you combine those powers, you get:

Maybe Haley, Ben and the offense should score some fucking points. Tired of hearing about our god damned defense.
Understandably everyone lost their mind bc of the defense we trotted out in the AFCCG.
But, per usual recently, the offense shit the bed and could not respond.
I'm not as worried about the defense. It has worts. But it is much improved.

Our offense, however, terrifies me. We're what, 9 weeks into the season? Look it this:
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/points-per-game

Offense is 19th in average points per game (20.8). Fucking Baltimore is 18th.

Have the Steelers faced some tough defenses? Yes, But Baltimore is playing the same teams. And their skill level on paper is, shall we say, not what the Steelers have.

Ben and Haley are not getting it done. Ben is the QB. He has to execute and make the plays. Haley is coordinator. He has to call better plays. They both have mud on their faces.

We'll beat NE by having the defense not shit the bed and by having the offense, for once in recent memory, actually show up when it matters, and play a complete game.

It's been a clown show of under performance since last year.

I don't want to hear about defense.

EDIT – more ranting:

People keep saying, just you wait until Ben retires and Tomlin has to win with average to good QB play instead of other-worldly Hall of Fame play and does not have Ben to do Ben magic plays to bail his ass out all the time. People: we're living in that era right now. Ben is not having an elite season. He is not having a great season. His play is trending upwards, but no way in hell is he a top 10 player right now. And the team is...7-2. But yeah, Tomlin is a moron in everything he does.

Loved seeing Ben avoid the sack, climb up the pocket and throw a dart to AB to seal the game (i.e., bail Tomlin's ass out). Loved it especially because we NEVER SEE IT anymore. We're already in the post Ben era as we have known it.

Hope I'm wrong. Would love for Ben to make me eat my words and to get shit from everyone for months. Would LOVE that. Avatar bet, whatever. What we've seen from Ben this year is exactly what we're going to continue to get: average play punctuated by rare moments of brilliance.


Cue the illusionists that will look at points per drive as the real indication of how this offense is really not as bad as it has been.
Although I have not seen that argument lately.
This offense, with the three headed brain trust of Tomlin, Haley and Ben has been awful this year. They need to stop playing like a bottom tier offense and start resembling an offense that should be putting up at least 28-30 per game. It does not start on game days. It starts with a mentality, a game plan, at practice with a tempo and sense of urgency. Pissing away drives does not infuriate this this team as "its a long game and we will have to work our way into the flow of the game" is status quo. We are cool, we got this, lets ease in here and win it in the 4th will not bring home #7. No reason this offense can not play with the mentality of first to 40 wins.

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I am not worried about offense; Haley and Ben will have their A game, Bell too. It all comes down to defense.


No. I expect the defense to play better vs New England. But an offense has to take advantage of a turnover on downs, a NE punt and put points on the board. We can not expect to win a defensive game vs NE. Still don't have that Von Miller or Houston that's gonna be creating havoc every other or every third passing down. Forcing NE to punt on 5 or 6 out of 11 or 12 possessions in a game will be a win. Putting 17-21 points on the board after those 5 or 6 punts is a must.

The NE offense right now has a law degree, passed the bar and has been arguing and winning cases at the supreme court. They are taking advantage of all the loop holes of the law and get away with picks and rubs, rarely called on them. They know all the judges and are getting the little ticky tacky holding calls that extend drives. They do not get flagged for offensive pass interference. And no one hits or knocks down a judge (TB) without hearing from a fellow judge himself asking for a ruling in his favor. Stopping the NE offense will not be easy without the PS being at their best on both sides of the ball.

The Steelers offense can not get out of the community college, criminal justice 101 class, 10 weeks into the season, staring at the deadline on dropping the class. It needs to wake up on Thursday night and then against the Packers, Ravens and Bengals. It needs to find a rhythm, a faster pace, no huddle, start putting points on the board. It needs to stop thinking that "18-21 points should be fine and should win games because the defense is playing well". Indictment on the mentality of the OC and HC. Fireable comment. It needs to start incorporating all the new plays we heard Ben talk about in training camp, now. And not look stupid when we pull them out for the first time when we need to execute it and not false start, illegal motion or illegal procedure. This HC, OC and QB are not smart enough to take this offense and turn on a switch when we need to.

You can not expect to shut down NE.

Hence, it has to be the Steelers offense that keeps the NE offense off the field.


Hadn't paid much attention to this OP, went back re-read, and no surprise, the best analysis is by my friend, Stosh. That said, I've echoed Perch's thoughts as well, that being that the best way to win the AFCCG is to avoid playing New England in the playoffs, hope someone else beats them. I've been on record saying that Mike Tomlin will never beat Bill Belichick in a game of consequence.

Anyway, in simple terms, Steelers would need to:
*Put heat on Brady...not sit back, with 8 guys in coverage, none within 10 yards of Brady's eventual target.
*Treasure every fuckin' offensive possession....last year's AFCCG, first possession, 3rd & 1, deep pass to Sammie Coates, through his hands. Need a yard? Get two. Need three yards? Get four. Move the sticks, keep possession, and yes, score TDs when in the Red Zone.

Despite my previous comments about Tomlin v. Belichick, I know if it comes down to the Steelers v. Pats in the AFFCG, regardless of location, I'll be like Charlie Brown with that little bitch Lucy holding for his kick. I'll be believing that this time the Steelers will prevail, prepared to put my house on the market, move the fuck outta town rather than go to work, embarrassed to face all those Patriot mother-fuckers with whom I work.

So....comes down to it, I'll be believing....my heart will win out over my head. But...you will NEVER hear me saying that I want to face the Patriots in the playoffs, that somehow going to the SB without beating them is somehow diminished. Let the Chefs go into Foxboro, beat those bastards again, then let us beat The Fat Fuck Andy Reid for the AFC Championship, and I will be a VERY happy man.


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:51 am 
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
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Yup- I think the defense can take care of business vs NE, but the offense will continue to shit the bed in the Red Zone


What has changed besides stats that makes you feel like the defense will take care of business? I felt good until Haden injury. Thought we could employ man, but with him out I see us looking very similar to AFCCG. Dunk and dunk...and Brady picks us apart with little league lobs and frozen ropes.


Our pass rush is MILES better than last year. Last year Butler had to use smoke and mirrors to get sacks...now we've got 3 good DL who can rush and push the pocket

Butler is still rushing 5 a lot with DB’s blitzes. I don’t think that is going to beat NE.


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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How many times do you have to get hit over the head with the same hammer before you realize the results aren't going to change? The way the Steelers beat the Pats is to hope somebody does it for them in the playoffs. Get the 2 seed and hope KC gets the 4 and beats the Pats for you. I'll never ever again pick the Steelers to beat the Pats while Brady/Belichick are around. It's pointless.

We beat them in 2011 with a tight man defensive coverage game plan ( I think under LeBeau) and I never saw that game plan again- against anyone- talk about pointless and stupid!


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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It's real simple. Win and folks will believe. Lose and it's same old same old.

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How many times do you have to get hit over the head with the same hammer before you realize the results aren't going to change? The way the Steelers beat the Pats is to hope somebody does it for them in the playoffs. Get the 2 seed and hope KC gets the 4 and beats the Pats for you. I'll never ever again pick the Steelers to beat the Pats while Brady/Belichick are around. It's pointless.

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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SP wrote:
How many times do you have to get hit over the head with the same hammer before you realize the results aren't going to change? The way the Steelers beat the Pats is to hope somebody does it for them in the playoffs. Get the 2 seed and hope KC gets the 4 and beats the Pats for you. I'll never ever again pick the Steelers to beat the Pats while Brady/Belichick are around. It's pointless.


This such an unsatisfying position to embrace, however. As a fan, I just cannot be fully happy until the Steelers beat the Pats en route to a SB win. Yes, you can only play who the schedule gives you, but the Steelers have so clearly been second fiddle, that if Ben retires without the Steelers beating the Pats in the playoffs, it will be very disappointing.

SBI? Someone else beats the Pats in the playoffs.

Steelers fan BI (SFBI)? Steelers finally slay the dragon en route to a SB win.

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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Still Lit wrote:
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How many times do you have to get hit over the head with the same hammer before you realize the results aren't going to change? The way the Steelers beat the Pats is to hope somebody does it for them in the playoffs. Get the 2 seed and hope KC gets the 4 and beats the Pats for you. I'll never ever again pick the Steelers to beat the Pats while Brady/Belichick are around. It's pointless.


This such an unsatisfying position to embrace, however. As a fan, I just cannot be fully happy until the Steelers beat the Pats en route to a SB win. Yes, you can only play who the schedule gives you, but the Steelers have so clearly been second fiddle, that if Ben retires without the Steelers beating the Pats in the playoffs, it will be very disappointing.

SBI? Someone else beats the Pats in the playoffs.

Steelers fan BI (SFBI)? Steelers finally slay the dragon en route to a SB win.


It's like this, Lit. I'll be rooting like hell for Pats to lose, just like we were in 2010, so that we don't have to face them. I'll be ecstatic to win another SB, regardless of opponent. Would be ecstatic plus to beat the Pats enrollee.


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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The sad part about this is the Patriots believe they will win every single game every time. The Steelers believe they will win every single game every time, except for the Patriots where they hope they will win.

That is the difference! That is the monkey on their back in a nut shell. It is not talent, it is simply attitude.


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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I think it may have something to do with coaching too.


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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Home field advantage is everything IMO
Steelers have 0% chance to win in Foxboro.
The most important factor for the Steelers playing at home vs. NE is the ability to run no huddle.
Let’s Ben be aggressive and run the offense and keeps Belicheat from adjusting play to play.Any chance you have to take advantage of talent over coaching is crucial.
Let talent decide the outcome not smarts or coaching.
No huddle does not mean hurry up so Steelers can still win the T.O.P and keep Brady on the sideline.
Expect the Steelers to really crank up the no huddle this week.
Now is the perfect time to pull it out with 5 of the next 7 at home and the new/young guys like Juju,Vance and Marty with a half of a season under their belt.


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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it's becoming comical the way we fetishize man defense
as if we need an all pro secondary to even attempt to implement it
but we know it'll be an instant game changer when (or if) we do
in reality a change in defensive philosophy alone isn't going to hand us the Pats on a silver platter
and rather than holding it back until we're sure we 'have the horses', we should be running it tonight, with Coty fuckin' Sensabaugh, and working on ironing out the kinks

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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Let's beat the Titans

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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Carry on. . .

BarryFoster wrote:
Let's beat the Titans
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I hope to hell the steelers aren't reading this thread.

They have the Titans and Dickie to deal with in short order.


They aren't reading it

Carry on
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COR-TEN wrote:
Carry on. . .

BarryFoster wrote:
Let's beat the Titans
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I hope to hell the steelers aren't reading this thread.

They have the Titans and Dickie to deal with in short order.


They aren't reading it

Carry on
;) :shock: :D


No, you carry on.

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I propose they do it with wooden bats with barbed wire wrapped around the fat end a la Steve from Stranger Things.

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I propose they do it with wooden bats with barbed wire wrapped around the fat end a la Steve from Stranger Things.

THIS^^^

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
I propose they do it with wooden bats with barbed wire wrapped around the fat end a la Steve from Stranger Things.

THIS^^^

Lit, it's actually nails sticking out, but same-same. ;)


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DP39 wrote:
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I propose they do it with wooden bats with barbed wire wrapped around the fat end a la Steve from Stranger Things.

THIS^^^

Lit, it's actually nails sticking out, but same-same. ;)


:lol:

We need to get Villy some of Steve's hair product.

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