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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:00 am 
Damn

You guys are SERIOUS pussies

The Steelers are winning the Super Bowl this year.

I have zero fear of the cheats. They are gonna lose this week in fact to the raiders. I think Davis is gonna go Wags and put Barber out for the year early in the game


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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="Stosh-67"Cue the illusionists that will look at points per drive as the real indication of how this offense is really not as bad as it has been.



We are 16th in Pts/Dr Stosh (not updated yet with this past weekend). I didn't post that in another thread to try to say the offense is better than it appears. This was supposed to be a vaunted offense. It's not. Still hoping that will change though.

Overall, the offense has been mediocre but not good. Often a shit show with some moments and stretches of brilliance.


lol.
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Did not know if anyone mentioned points per drive in another thread.
We all want this offense to be better.
We neeeeeed this offense to be better.

Fixing the offense involves many things.
Much of it happens long before kick off.
Starts with the mentality.
Starts with the game planning.
Pace and urgency in practice.
I wish they would go more no huddle.
I wish they would pass more on early downs.
I wish they would incorporate more intermediate pass plays.
I wish they would stop wasting downs with pre-determined long bombs - regardless of a player being open.
I would like to see them run more crossing patterns and slants.
They need to get better at picks and rubs.
I would like to see them run 3-4 short pass plays to MB every game.....7-8 yard curls, 8-10 yard comebacks.
Would like to see more Connor runs than the typical one play per game. He is faster to the edge than Bell. Quicker to hit the hole for a quick 4-5 yards.
Even throw in a punishing Watson run or two a game.
Need more miss direction plays.
Need to move the pocket once or twice a game vs. nunce a game.
Need to actually trick teams to win plays, win downs.
Can not recall one designed screen play on Sunday.

I'm afraid mediocre, predictable and bland is just so incorporated into the mentality of this team that they think its only execution that's keeping them from scoring more.

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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SteelerChef wrote:
Damn

You guys are SERIOUS pussies

The Steelers are winning the Super Bowl this year.

I have zero fear of the cheats. They are gonna lose this week in fact to the raiders. I think Davis is gonna go Wags and put Barber out for the year early in the game

Chef.
Read the heading of the Thread
and try again with some of your own thoughts on things the PS can do to beat the Pats.

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:09 am 
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Stosh-67 wrote:
Cue the illusionists that will look at points per drive as the real indication of how this offense is really not as bad as it has been.
Although I have not seen that argument lately.
This offense, with the three headed brain trust of Tomlin, Haley and Ben has been awful this year. They need to stop playing like a bottom tier offense and start resembling an offense that should be putting up at least 28-30 per game. It does not start on game days. It starts with a mentality, a game plan, at practice with a tempo and sense of urgency. Pissing away drives does not infuriate this this team as "its a long game and we will have to work our way into the flow of the game" is status quo. We are cool, we got this, lets ease in here and win it in the 4th will not bring home #7. No reason this offense can not play with the mentality of first to 40 wins.

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I am not worried about offense; Haley and Ben will have their A game, Bell too. It all comes down to defense.


No. I expect the defense to play better vs New England. But an offense has to take advantage of a turnover on downs, a NE punt and put points on the board. We can not expect to win a defensive game vs NE. Still don't have that Von Miller or Houston that's gonna be creating havoc every other or every third passing down. Forcing NE to punt on 5 or 6 out of 11 or 12 possessions in a game will be a win. Putting 17-21 points on the board after those 5 or 6 punts is a must.

The NE offense right now has a law degree, passed the bar and has been arguing and winning cases at the supreme court. They are taking advantage of all the loop holes of the law and get away with picks and rubs, rarely called on them. They know all the judges and are getting the little ticky tacky holding calls that extend drives. They do not get flagged for offensive pass interference. And no one hits or knocks down a judge (TB) without hearing from a fellow judge himself asking for a ruling in his favor. Stopping the NE offense will not be easy without the PS being at their best on both sides of the ball.

The Steelers offense can not get out of the community college, criminal justice 101 class, 10 weeks into the season, staring at the deadline on dropping the class. It needs to wake up on Thursday night and then against the Packers, Ravens and Bengals. It needs to find a rhythm, a faster pace, no huddle, start putting points on the board. It needs to stop thinking that "18-21 points should be fine and should win games because the defense is playing well". Indictment on the mentality of the OC and HC. Fireable comment. It needs to start incorporating all the new plays we heard Ben talk about in training camp, now. And not look stupid when we pull them out for the first time when we need to execute it and not false start, illegal motion or illegal procedure. This HC, OC and QB are not smart enough to take this offense and turn on a switch when we need to.

You can not expect to shut down NE.

Hence, it has to be the Steelers offense that keeps the NE offense off the field.


Excellent post Stosh. Well said.


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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Yup- I think the defense can take care of business vs NE, but the offense will continue to shit the bed in the Red Zone


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
Yup- I think the defense can take care of business vs NE, but the offense will continue to shit the bed in the Red Zone


What has changed besides stats that makes you feel like the defense will take care of business? I felt good until Haden injury. Thought we could employ man, but with him out I see us looking very similar to AFCCG. Dunk and dunk...and Brady picks us apart with little league lobs and frozen ropes.


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
Yup- I think the defense can take care of business vs NE, but the offense will continue to shit the bed in the Red Zone


What has changed besides stats that makes you feel like the defense will take care of business? I felt good until Haden injury. Thought we could employ man, but with him out I see us looking very similar to AFCCG. Dunk and dunk...and Brady picks us apart with little league lobs and frozen ropes.


Our pass rush is MILES better than last year. Last year Butler had to use smoke and mirrors to get sacks...now we've got 3 good DL who can rush and push the pocket


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
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Yup- I think the defense can take care of business vs NE, but the offense will continue to shit the bed in the Red Zone


What has changed besides stats that makes you feel like the defense will take care of business? I felt good until Haden injury. Thought we could employ man, but with him out I see us looking very similar to AFCCG. Dunk and dunk...and Brady picks us apart with little league lobs and frozen ropes.


Indeed. So the offense should probably score more than 20 points and should probably score TDs instead of settling for figgies.

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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SteelerChef wrote:
Damn

You guys are SERIOUS pussies

The Steelers are winning the Super Bowl this year.

I have zero fear of the cheats. They are gonna lose this week in fact to the raiders. I think Davis is gonna go Wags and put Barber out for the year early in the game


I thought everyone loved pussy. You some kind of misogynist?

You have zero fear of the Pats not because you are not a pussy, but because you are a blithering, dithering idiot. You must have left your brain in the freezer next to my jeans. Was wondering what that stain was.

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
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Yup- I think the defense can take care of business vs NE, but the offense will continue to shit the bed in the Red Zone


What has changed besides stats that makes you feel like the defense will take care of business? I felt good until Haden injury. Thought we could employ man, but with him out I see us looking very similar to AFCCG. Dunk and dunk...and Brady picks us apart with little league lobs and frozen ropes.


Our pass rush is MILES better than last year. Last year Butler had to use smoke and mirrors to get sacks...now we've got 3 good DL who can rush and push the pocket


I forgot about Heyward being out. I get reminded every now and then when I see the opposing QB get dropped by Heyward bullrushing like nobody is in front of him and the QB thinks why is my pocket so small when my linemen are in front of me still.


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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Next up the Titans.

NE is not our opponent.

One game at a time. Do your job. Whatever it takes.


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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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We don't have to beat the Pats twice. We have to beat them when it matters most (if we see them in the ps).

Yeah, I know it's much better to bring them to the 'burgh.

We beat the Colts in our 2005 Lombardi run in their house.

In 2007 I watched the giants vs pats rs game. I came out of that game knowing the giants could beat them in the SB.

Yeah, I know, SB neutral field compared to foxborough. But still...

If we lose to the Pats rs I'm not throwing in the towel and that includes the possibility of having to go to foxborough.




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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
Next up the Titans.

NE is not our opponent.

One game at a time. Do your job. Whatever it takes.


This. I am tired of this NE fear BS on this board. We are 7-2 basically leading our division by 3 games and that allows us to do what? Live in our Patriot fears? Yeah, I'll pass.

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
Next up the Titans.

NE is not our opponent.

One game at a time. Do your job. Whatever it takes.


We have our hands full thursday night with a 6-3 team on a 4 game win streak with us coming off an unimpressive win.


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I am tired of this NE fear BS on this board. We are 7-2 basically leading our division by 3 games and that allows us to do what? Live in our Patriot fears? Yeah, I'll pass.


Hey, we're tired of the Steelers losing to the Pats BS on the field.

Indeed, the Steelers have an excellent record.

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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If we lose to the Pats rs I'm not throwing in the towel and that includes the possibility of having to go to foxborough


I agree HVAOC.

Hoping by the time the playoffs roll around that Sutton has 6 games under his belt.
Hoping that Allen gets some defensive snaps over the same time.
And that Haden gets back on the field and plays like he did the first half.

Hilton and potentially Sutton / Allen defending the short middle of the field is what could be key in disrupting the quick Brady passing game.

Be nice if we can match up 6'-3" Allen vs. Gronk.

But.
But. They can not fear putting these kids on the field the next 4 games..... the rest of the season.
Especially vs. The offenses and QBs we will see last 7 weeks.

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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Last thing I want to hear is we did not have time to incorporate more man defense with injuries to Hayden and Mitchell now.

They had the first half of the season to be working it in. Or were they too concerned not wanting to show man defense vs inferior opponents lesser quarterbacks. Etc. Etc.exce
and they'll just turn on the Man coverage switch when they need it

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 Post subject: Re: How will the Steelers Beat NE?
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VeritasSteel wrote:
SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
Next up the Titans.

NE is not our opponent.

One game at a time. Do your job. Whatever it takes.


This. I am tired of this NE fear BS on this board. We are 7-2 basically leading our division by 3 games and that allows us to do what? Live in our Patriot fears? Yeah, I'll pass.


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I am tired of this NE fear BS on this board. We are 7-2 basically leading our division by 3 games and that allows us to do what? Live in our Patriot fears? Yeah, I'll pass.


Hey, we're tired of the Steelers losing to the Pats BS on the field.

Indeed, the Steelers have an excellent record.


But how is that translating into a win for the Steelers this week? I get it as fans we can live in the future and the past, but who cares what the Patriots are doing right now? That defense is held together by chewing gum and off-brand duct tape.

Do you want to beat the Pats? Go back and watch the Chiefs game, the Panthers game, and the Texans game. Force them to use all those spare parts they are using on defense to stop an offense that is hitting them from both sides of the field passing and gashing them running up the middle. Pressure Brady into those short passes against tight man and tackle surely, force them to become a long ball outside the hashes team. Don't make stupid mistakes turning the ball over or on special teams to give them the game. Teams that have beat the Pats have followed that formula going back to the Giants, Ravens, and up until this year the Broncos. Not rocket science, but can the Steelers do that is the question. I believe the FO has made the moves to implement that gameplan. If they can get Haden back and keep Bell off the basketball court I like our chances.

Let's not make them more than who they are. Titans are up next let's not overlook a really good team that has a running game that could give us trouble.

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I am tired of the fear NE BS too, but the truth hurts. They have a monkey on their back and a mental block. The season doesn’t mean squat until they make it past their nemesis. The Steelers know, everyone on this board knows it, Steeler fandom knows it.

If they don’t beat them in regular season, what’s the point.


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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
I am tired of the fear NE BS too, but the truth hurts. They have a monkey on their back and a mental block. The season doesn’t mean squat until they make it past their nemesis. The Steelers know, everyone on this board knows it, Steeler fandom knows it.

If they don’t beat them in regular season, what’s the point.


Dress rehearsal. Hopefully, by that time the only thing at stake is home field and seeing how the Pats play this offense would be valuable in the playoffs

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Dress rehearsal.


It really is.


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Last thing I want to hear is we did not have time to incorporate more man defense with injuries to Hayden and Mitchell now.

They had the first half of the season to be working it in. Or were they too concerned not wanting to show man defense vs inferior opponents lesser quarterbacks. Etc. Etc.exce
and they'll just turn on the Man coverage switch when they need it

Mitchell is a liability when playing man coverage, so him being out would actually help things.

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The recipe to beat Brady is known, but doesn't suit our defense well. Lots of pressure up the middle to force him to move. Tight coverage on their midget receivers to interrupt their timing. Man up on Gronk and cover over the top with a safety to take away his routes down the middle. Use ball control on offense to keep the prick Brady off the field. Short passing game over the middle to our slot receivers, and lots of YAK. Don't screw up special teams. And most of all, keep "give up a big play Willie Gay" off the field.


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I don't think Brady i the biggest problem we face in this game. It's special teams. Their special teams won them a game this week-- when's the last time our specials won us a game? I think the Steelers simply have to catch the ball and not get over-enamored with the run-- hell, they could have hung with NE last year, with worse defensive talent than we have now and with 3rd and 4th string WRs on the field if they'd just catch the ball and have a TE whose instinct is to lower his shoulder into DBs near the goal line.

The pieces are in place, but I worry we'll have an advantage in O vs D but lose on STs.

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