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 Post subject: Re: Haley: Fuck you Ben
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:00 pm 
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Pretty sure this was another case of Tomlin filtering Haley's calls and causing confusion.

I would put money on what Tomlin was saying in those moments.
Try reading his lips.

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He is the two point master.


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Haley into Bens ear

He wasn't talking to anyone else

Ben was shouting right back

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the "Ben" part of the lip syn looked like two syllables to me. not Ben. Do we have any deaf posters?

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the "Ben" part of the lip syn looked like two syllables to me. not Ben. Do we have any deaf posters?


The chinese fire drill is because the coaches are uncertain, and unprepared. Not sure what other conclusion one would take away.

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It's fuckin Tomlin fuckin up Haley's calls, I'm tellin ya.


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 Post subject: Re: Haley: Fuck you Ben
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Lynch wrote:
Pretty sure this was another case of Tomlin filtering Haley's calls and causing confusion.


Dude, give it a rest. You were a much better troll when you were being subtle.

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 Post subject: Re: Haley: Fuck you Ben
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Kodiak wrote:
R S wrote:
the "Ben" part of the lip syn looked like two syllables to me. not Ben. Do we have any deaf posters?


The chinese fire drill is because the coaches are uncertain, and unprepared. Not sure what other conclusion one would take away.

"Unprepared and unpracticed for the moment" for $100 Alex"

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I think Ben is yelling "I fucked your wife."

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 Post subject: Re: Haley: Fuck you Ben
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There are many problems with this team.

Haley is high on the list.


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What was that Chuck Noll line? His problems are many and they are great?


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Suwanee88 wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
I think Ben is yelling "I fucked your wife."

:lol:

LOL, that is the post of this thread.


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 Post subject: Re: Haley: Fuck you Ben
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:31 pm 
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It's a shame ReTodd doesn't yell at Ben for doing dumb shit more often.

Here's O'Brien calling Brady a dumbass for making a terrible throw in 2011.



Pats went on to lose the SB that season.

Problem is, Haley is no O'Brien.

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 Post subject: Re: Haley: Fuck you Ben
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:19 pm 
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Lynch wrote:
Pretty sure this was another case of Tomlin filtering Haley's calls and causing confusion.


If by filtering you mean telling Haley they were going for two and then letting Ben call his own play, you're correct.

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"The only thing I heard was Todd was saying to kick it, and Coach T was like, 'No, let the offense go,'" Roethlisberger said. "We called a play and made it happen."

The Steelers were rewarded for the decision, as Martavis Bryant pulled down Big Ben's pass to tie the score at 17-all.


https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Bolt/Pittsburgh-Steelers-Ben-Roethlisberger-Mike-Tomlin-overruled-Todd-Haleys-decision-to-go-for-two-110400209

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 Post subject: Re: Haley: Fuck you Ben
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My problem with this is I see Ben as one of those modern sensitive type people. If you give him too much negative criticism he pouts. He's getting older and didn't look in very good shape to start this season. I'd imagine Haley has been all over him and rightfully so. At this point in his career, it may do more harm than good. I think Ben needs someone that can handle him more mentally these days. I don't see Haley motivating him any more. I totally believe he made very positive, needed changes to Ben's game early on but Ben looks to be totally tuning him out now. Haley is a dick and that might work for younger players or ones that are mentally tougher (like Warner or Brady) but it's run it's course with our diva. I wonder if Tomlin has the stones to make a change or actively try to intervene like you know, the head coach?

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"It was crazy," said Roethlisberger, who connected with Martavis Bryant on the two point play following the timeout. "That’s nothing new, him screaming at me during games. You guys just never see it. I did look over at the sideline (before the two-point conversion) and he was definitely screaming at me.
"At the time, you move on. You really can’t get caught up in it."
While Haley should be commended for helping transcend and mature Big Ben's game since becoming offensive coordinator in 2012, something clearly isn't working between the two this season, as Pittsburgh's offense is 18th in the NFL in scoring after scoring just 17 touchdowns in the season's first nine games. 

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 Post subject: Re: Haley: Fuck you Ben
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Why should Ben respect Haley? He has no track record of success in football. Nepotism is the only reason he has a job.

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The other thing I didn't like seeing from Haley, when Gay(?) and Shazier both missed tackles on the 3rd down play along the Steelers' sideline, he absolutely lost his mind. Let Tomlin and Butler deal with that, you should be worried about your perfectly average offense. Without the D bailing our offense out, we're hovering right around .500.


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 Post subject: Re: Haley: Fuck you Ben
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The other thing I didn't like seeing from Haley, when Gay(?) and Shazier both missed tackles on the 3rd down play along the Steelers' sideline, he absolutely lost his mind. Let Tomlin and Butler deal with that, you should be worried about your perfectly average offense. Without the D bailing our offense out, we're hovering right around .500.



I missed this and will have to go back and re-watch. With this and the other posts in this thread I feel like if something will prevent or is preventing this team from going all the way this year it's the missing TEAM comradery. These festering, lingering blips are not and will do us no good.


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 Post subject: Re: Haley: Fuck you Ben
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fortythree wrote:
Why should Ben respect Haley? He has no track record of success in football. Nepotism is the only reason he has a job.


Dude he developed one of the most revered offenses in football history, remember Warner, Fitzgerald, and Boldin. Took em to the super bowl which they would have won if not for a herculean play by Deebo, and maybe an even better play by Ben and Holmes.

Listen you are entitled to your own opinion BUT not your own facts. SMH :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Haley: Fuck you Ben
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Stinger8 wrote:
fortythree wrote:
Why should Ben respect Haley? He has no track record of success in football. Nepotism is the only reason he has a job.


Dude he developed one of the most revered offenses in football history, remember Warner, Fitzgerald, and Boldin. Took em to the super bowl which they would have won if not for a herculean play by Deebo, and maybe an even better play by Ben and Holmes.

Listen you are entitled to your own opinion BUT not your own facts. SMH :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


How many points did that vaunted offense put up until they allowed Warner to sling it around? Haley fucking sucks as a playcaller


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Stinger8 wrote:
fortythree wrote:
Why should Ben respect Haley? He has no track record of success in football. Nepotism is the only reason he has a job.


Dude he developed one of the most revered offenses in football history, remember Warner, Fitzgerald, and Boldin. Took em to the super bowl which they would have won if not for a herculean play by Deebo, and maybe an even better play by Ben and Holmes.

Listen you are entitled to your own opinion BUT not your own facts. SMH :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


How many points did that vaunted offense put up until they allowed Warner to sling it around? Haley fucking sucks as a playcaller


In fact, one could certainly give Todd Haley some cred for the Steelers most recen Lombardi, having kept his prolific offense under wraps for three quarters.


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seabs926 wrote:
The other thing I didn't like seeing from Haley, when Gay(?) and Shazier both missed tackles on the 3rd down play along the Steelers' sideline, he absolutely lost his mind. Let Tomlin and Butler deal with that, you should be worried about your perfectly average offense. Without the D bailing our offense out, we're hovering right around .500.

#6 offense
#3 defense

that was before this week

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seabs926 wrote:
The other thing I didn't like seeing from Haley, when Gay(?) and Shazier both missed tackles on the 3rd down play along the Steelers' sideline, he absolutely lost his mind. Let Tomlin and Butler deal with that, you should be worried about your perfectly average offense. Without the D bailing our offense out, we're hovering right around .500.



I missed this and will have to go back and re-watch. With this and the other posts in this thread I feel like if something will prevent or is preventing this team from going all the way this year it's the missing TEAM comradery. These festering, lingering blips are not and will do us no good.

Our team is incredibly tight- the players with each other and the players with Tomlin. The rest? Who knows. Does it matter? Not if the first couple parts of the equation are as they are.

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 Post subject: Re: Haley: Fuck you Ben
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seabs926 wrote:
The other thing I didn't like seeing from Haley, when Gay(?) and Shazier both missed tackles on the 3rd down play along the Steelers' sideline, he absolutely lost his mind. Let Tomlin and Butler deal with that, you should be worried about your perfectly average offense. Without the D bailing our offense out, we're hovering right around .500.


I noticed that too. I was in a bit of denial. I thought it had to be one of the other coaches. But nope, it was Todd. If I was a defensive player on that team, that would really piss me off.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
seabs926 wrote:
The other thing I didn't like seeing from Haley, when Gay(?) and Shazier both missed tackles on the 3rd down play along the Steelers' sideline, he absolutely lost his mind. Let Tomlin and Butler deal with that, you should be worried about your perfectly average offense. Without the D bailing our offense out, we're hovering right around .500.

#6 offense
#3 defense

that was before this week

Does that have anything to do with the way he acted on the sidelines?

What was the point of the post? It doesn't seem to fit your narrative that Haley sucks and Ben is still playing well. You seem to want it both ways - often being unable to admit that it's the entire offense (including Ben) that's average. Rarely do we have both good play calls and execution with any consistency. I don't care about DVOA rankings, I care about points.


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