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 Post subject: Re: Is Bell really a great receiving back?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:24 pm 
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I dont do fantasy football and actually think it is ultimately bad for the game. It almost seems like some players are more concerned with personal stats and less with winning football games. But that is a topic for another day.

In regards to Bell and Brown seeing so much production, in being such a big part of our offense, isn't is bordering on 70% of our offense? That is ridiculous. I suppose I could get behind them hogging so much of the football if they were producing TDs at a fantastic rate. Is that happening? Nope.

Brown has been targeted 74 times in the passing game and has... just 2 TDs. Bell has been targeted 39 times in the passing game and has... 0 TDs. Those are your #1 and #2 options in the passing game and in 113 targets have produced just 2 passing TDs.

If you project that out over a 16 game season, is that what we want for our offense, no strike that, WHAT WE NEED for our offense? I said before the season that we don't need Brown to have 150 receptions for 2,000 yards and we don't need Bell to have 100 receptions and that if we did it will probably mean that our offense is struggling.

Sure enough that is happening after 6 games. For all of those catches and yards, Brown has just 2 TDs. For all of Bell's production he only has 4 TDs.

My perfect Steeler offense that COULD score 30 points a game is something like this:

Brown, 90 catches
Bell 65 catches
Bryant 60 catches
JuJu 60 catches
McDonald 50 catches

60 catches for everybody else (James,Grimble, Rogers, Hunter, Bey, Connor, Watson)

But that will never happen, JuJu, Bryant and McDonald are never going to be big parts of this offense if Brown and Bell are combing for 210-220 receptions. We have been averaging 385 completions the past two years, but If Brown is chasing Marvin Harrison's 143 or Megatron's 1,964 and Bell is trying to get over 100 and prove to everybody how much he is this great WR as a RB, that leave less for everybody else on offense. And maybe I could get behind the idea of those two chasing the glory if they were scoring TDs and the offense was productive, but they aren't and the offense isn't.

What good is fantasy football glory if you aren't winning games and the offense isn't scoring points? Piss on Brown getting NFL records and Bell trying to prove this or that, I just want an offense to score points, to average over 30 points a game and make it more likely to bring home #7.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Bell really a great receiving back?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:26 pm 
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Bell is an Elite recieving back. He's off to a slow start this year, because he stupidly skipped training camp. And because the offense has mostly been stuck in 2nd gear.

Last season in only 12 games, he had 1884 total yards and 75 catches for 616 yards, 8.2 yds/rec. those are elite numbers for an RB. The talk of him being a WR is bullshit, he's an RB who is a threat running or catching. All RBs get mostly short routes.


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 Post subject: Re: Is Bell really a great receiving back?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:39 pm 
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At least early in the game, Jesse James was springing Bell with big blocks. If he truly sucks at blocking, he is improving. In terms of McDonald, I get damned tired of hearing about potential, and all these measurables. He needs to put up on the field. Bottom line. There is a reason SF didn't think much of him and invested draft picks on other TE's to supplant him. It wasn't because he was young and had great strength, arm length, and other underwear measurables.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Bell really a great receiving back?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:58 pm 
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At least early in the game, Jesse James was springing Bell with big blocks. If he truly sucks at blocking, he is improving. In terms of McDonald, I get damned tired of hearing about potential, and all these measurables. He needs to put up on the field. Bottom line. There is a reason SF didn't think much of him and invested draft picks on other TE's to supplant him. It wasn't because he was young and had great strength, arm length, and other underwear measurables.


McDonald lacks serious HIG factor.....

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 Post subject: Re: Is Bell really a great receiving back?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:00 pm 
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His YPC have been discussed. But I'm wondering if this receiving reputation really doesn't just stem from a few big plays earlier in his career when the defense was sleeping or caught off-guard.

He's not fast, and he's not actually a receiver....I think people felt his shifty-ness and quick feet translate to running good routes and separation, but I'm not seeing it.

He has good hands, but that's only part of the equation. Do you think there's still potential there, or is it time for the infatuation with splitting him out and running a tree to end?

"2nd best" receiver last year? I'm not even sure if he's our 4th or 5th best option in the passing game this year.
Screens and outlets, sure. But maybe it's time to ditch the designed pass plays for this guy.

Good game or not, he looks slower this year.


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 Post subject: Re: Is Bell really a great receiving back?
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You know, if Bell was averaging 8-9 YPC instead of 5.4 or whatever....might make a big difference in the offense.

We don't have good balance/distribution right now. I'd agree Ben seems to "force" it to AB a bit too much - if he's got half a step in man Ben will try to thread the needle instead of looking for easier throws (if there are many).

I also think Ben has been content to dump-off to Bell, prematurely at times....the old "avoid the sack, stay ahead of the sticks" mantra.


I don't get hung-up on TD stats after just 6 games - not many guys get 1 every week or every other week....a guy with 10 TD's on the year probably gets those in 6 or 7 games. Hopefully an avalanche is coming from AB and Bell.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Bell really a great receiving back?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:02 pm 
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McDonald has the longest reception by a te on the team so far this season, though, right? More of that, please.


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 Post subject: Re: Is Bell really a great receiving back?
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McDonald has the longest reception by a te on the team so far this season, though, right? More of that, please.


gotta be close to the longest air completion for Ben this year, too

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 Post subject: Re: Is Bell really a great receiving back?
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Kodiak wrote:
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McDonald has the longest reception by a te on the team so far this season, though, right? More of that, please.


gotta be close to the longest air completion for Ben this year, too


I think the lack of balance in this offense will sort itself out. Call me glass half full, but with all the new faces, missed games/camp/practice, I'm thinking confidence in guys other than AB will grow, and the ball will get spread out better as we go. Just a hunch from an optimist.


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 Post subject: Re: Is Bell really a great receiving back?
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Scunge wrote:
My perfect Steeler offense that COULD score 30 points a game is something like this:

Brown, 90 catches
Bell 65 catches
Bryant 60 catches
JuJu 60 catches
McDonald 50 catches

60 catches for everybody else (James,Grimble, Rogers, Hunter, Bey, Connor, Watson)


Would be great to see.


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 Post subject: Re: Is Bell really a great receiving back?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:18 pm 
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Gotta get the long ball workin. If they can do that everyone will have plenty of opportunities.


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