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 Post subject: Some final draft thoughts
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:42 am 
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The Steelers will go for need and grab OLB and DB with the first two picks, maybe even two DBs. This should surprise nobody. The QB and WR talk early are just that, talk.

They are in a unique position to grab a great player in the 3rd round at a huge position of need. Gareon Conley's stock went from Top 20 to undrafted this week. Rumors floating now say some team will draft him in late round 3 or round 4. The latest on his case shows video of him and the female leaving a club together, this contradicts her story that she met him in a hotel elevator at 3am. Conley could be a day 1 starter, the Steelers can't let PR get in the way of taking a great player. Lael Collins all over again. Sidney Jones is injured, but maybe the top corner in this draft. Take him in round 3 and hope you get something from him this year, if not he is a big asset next season. Either of these players represent. Huge steal and a big splash in the draft showing the team is all in to win now. Make it happen!

The defense was very bad at covering passes over the middle of the field. Don't be surprised if the first pick is a safety like Obi or Budda Baker. The draft is deeper at CB and they can get one down the line a bit.

RB2 is a big need, but would it be bad if they didn't address the position until round 5 or so and brought back Deangelo Williams for one more run? Too many other pressing needs.

Speaking of needs, the top TE here is still Jesse James which makes this position the biggest offensive need. Martavis Bryant is back and there is still hope for Rogers and Coates to emerge as depth guys. A third round TE makes a lot of sense, moreso than a WR.

Day 2 will make or break this draft for the Steelers.

Some dumbass teams will panic and move up into late round 1 for a QB. Could see 5 of them go in round 1.


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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:08 pm 
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Steelers are in a unique position?

I'd say the entire league has been presented with the same position:

Any team could make the argument that Conley would be a steal.

I also see LBer and CB or S with first 2 picks.

If and only if Njoku slides, you have to consider adding a TE of his caliber at 30. But I don't think there is any chance he is there when we pick.

I'm sticking to my mock in terms of what I hope and want:

Davis in the first to play alongside Shazpussy

And Rivers in the 2nd for the edge presence

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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Clearly, the Steelers biggest issues defensively were Gay, Robert Golden/Dangerfield in nickel/dime, Edge rush, Mike Mitchell in coverage and last line of defense, Lawrence Timmons in coverage, Deebo in coverage... in approximately that order.

I think they want a bigger/longer nickel back-- more Deone Buchannon than Honey Badger. Could be a safety with CB skills, could be a CB with length/size. Maybe both. An OLB who can either rush AND cover or a starting ILB who can. Wouldn't rule out a #2 CB or a centerfielder safety later in draft.

Chidobe Awuzie-Kevin King- Quincy Wilson- Howard Wilson-Shaquill Griffin-Brian Allen-Cordrea Tankersley- Obi-Josh Jones-David Jones-Brandon Wilson for that nickel back spot.

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:53 pm 
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Just going to throw this out there....

Evan Engram at pick 30 is not going to surprise me at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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Charles Demarr wrote:
Just going to throw this out there....

Evan Engram at pick 30 is not going to surprise me at all.


I would be shocked. No idea why people think that is a remote possibility.

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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Good stuff Perch. Kevin King intrigues me. Watched him plenty at UW, he's got all the tools. Would love him in black and gold.


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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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well .. I missed an entry for the mock so I will run my mouth here.

I will be thoroughly surprised if they don't go two DBs or DB/LB in rounds 1 and 2. Williams smacks of a Tomlin pick but will see if DB trumps that. The last two years the steelers have completely caught me by surprise with their first round picks. And the latest mocks I see seem to be really heavy on DBs early and often. So not sure what would be there for them to legitimately pick at DB at 1.30 except maybe Peppers. I am not keen on him. I am not very good at locating edge rushers -- so can anyone say if there are any surprise picks there they could take at 1.30? Too bad we don't need an OT as I think there are a few good ones in this draft early.

To guess now, I think the Steelers will take WIlliams with the first pick and moreau or griffin in round 2

I have a side non-Steeler prediction. The Cards and Arians will draft Mahomes in round 1 and trade up if they think they need to.


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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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fortythree wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:
Just going to throw this out there....

Evan Engram at pick 30 is not going to surprise me at all.


I would be shocked. No idea why people think that is a remote possibility.


Not saying I would like it, just reading he is moving up boards quickly.

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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Charles Demarr wrote:
fortythree wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:
Just going to throw this out there....

Evan Engram at pick 30 is not going to surprise me at all.


I would be shocked. No idea why people think that is a remote possibility.


Not saying I would like it, just reading he is moving up boards quickly.


Yeah and I wasn't attacking you. I've just seen three mocks now with Engram at 30. I don't see it. It's not their MO and he's not the kind of guy they typically target.

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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Charles Demarr wrote:
Just going to throw this out there....

Evan Engram at pick 30 is not going to surprise me at all.


This assume Njoku is gone of course....so that would be 3 TEs in first round. Anyone know how rare that is?

No, wouldn't surprise me and based on the tape I've scrubbed in my war room, I would not be upset at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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I am predicting no matter who the team selects there will be much angst on this board.

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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BucYeah wrote:
I am predicting no matter who the team selects there will be much angst on this board.


You are correct sir.

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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Don't let the draft ruin your day......

If you are miffed by the selection, just sit back and remember that Belichik won the SB with 2 starters who wouldnt consider football their primary sport.....it doesn't matter who Steelers draft, they arent in real contention again until B/B are out of NE.....

The cheats will find someone from American Ninja Warrior to play for them next year who catches 9 for 159 and 2 TDs against PS in AFC championship game


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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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BarryFoster wrote:
BucYeah wrote:
I am predicting no matter who the team selects there will be much angst on this board.


You are correct sir.

Indeed!!

And yet despite all of our opinions (and in some cases flat out certain statements - we all know who will make those ;) ), we will be surprised next season both by what does and doesn't happen with these picks - seriously, who among us predicted the decent to very good starters in year one on D from within last year's draft class?


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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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BucYeah wrote:
I am predicting no matter who the team selects there will be much angst on this board.


I always take a wait & see when it comes to picks. Watch them in their preseason action to get an idea of how they look and then adjust from there with "what they put on tape"

With that being said, the only player that will cause me angst isn't a player as much as it's a position.

And that position for me is QB...

We need defenders with our early picks...

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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Charles Demarr wrote:
fortythree wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:
Just going to throw this out there....

Evan Engram at pick 30 is not going to surprise me at all.


I would be shocked. No idea why people think that is a remote possibility.


Not saying I would like it, just reading he is moving up boards quickly.


the only draft boards that count are used tonight. it is crap or a smoke screen for reporters to say this person or that is moving up or down.

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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Trend in 1st round: I see a bunch of trades and some real reaches on QBs & OLine. I think both groups royally suck balls. Make my day if Ozzie takes Cam Robinson.

Big surprise: predict Foster will tumble.

Guarantees:

You'll hear plug and play starter so much it will become almost comical.

You'll hear perfect fit so much it will be comical.

You'll hear steal so much it will be comical.

I guarantee at least 1 Steeler pick will cause several poster to lose their shit so badly it will be comical.

Last but not least: I have a bad feeling it is going to be Peppers. Not necessarily because I dislike the pick rather it will be catalyst for monumental melt down that will last months. Then first tweet from Karboly telling us Peppers sucks will launch bitch train into stratosphere.


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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:27 pm 
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This year more than most I say we have no fucking idea what the Steelers will do.

I will say this...Quarterback is 100% without a doubt in play.

Howard and Engram are the only tight ends the Steelers will consider in the 1st two rounds of this draft.

I don't expect the Steelers to draft a tight end until after round 4

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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955876 wrote:
BucYeah wrote:
I am predicting no matter who the team selects there will be much angst on this board.


I always take a wait & see when it comes to picks. Watch them in their preseason action to get an idea of how they look and then adjust from there with "what they put on tape"

With that being said, the only player that will cause me angst isn't a player as much as it's a position.

And that position for me is QB...

We need defenders with our early picks...


I agree with this. It's not necessarily the pick, rather the position. I do not want a QB. If they do grab one it better be Mahomes.

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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superk wrote:
Don't let the draft ruin your day......

If you are miffed by the selection, just sit back and remember that Belichik won the SB with 2 starters who wouldnt consider football their primary sport.....it doesn't matter who Steelers draft, they arent in real contention again until B/B are out of NE.....

The cheats will find someone from American Ninja Warrior to play for them next year who catches 9 for 159 and 2 TDs against PS in AFC championship game

:lol: :) :| :shock: :( :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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FC, Njoku has to be on their short list. Young. They went to pro day. A bit of an afterthought in the draft right now-- their kind of guy.

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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I'll only bitch if it's a QB. I'll call Mahommes the next Manziel/RG3.
Go QB next year, trade up including picks from 2019.


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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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Lots of buzz connecting Engram to the Steelers at 30. Or is it smoke. I wouldn't be mad at that pick.


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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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SP wrote:
Lots of buzz connecting Engram to the Steelers at 30. Or is it smoke. I wouldn't be mad at that pick.


Very athletic....a 2 for 1 if you will, WR who plays TE

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 Post subject: Re: Some final draft thoughts
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FC, Njoku has to be on their short list. Young. They went to pro day. A bit of an afterthought in the draft right now-- their kind of guy.


The Steelers would consider him where he should be drafted in the 3rd round. Zero chance. I repeat zero chance the Steelers take him in round 1 or 2.

Body catcher
Horrible blocker
Poor route runner
Undersized
Not very skilled

He is a bigger version of...Sammy Coates. Actually less productive and Coates is the better blocker of the two.

Evan Engram is possible not very likely.

Its far more likely that the Steelers draft a quarterback in the 1st three rounds than a TE

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